Fogbow

Posted: **Tue Jan 30, 2024 12:34 pm**

When someone is hellbent on digging themselves into a hole, I say give her a bigger shovel.

Posted: **Tue Jan 30, 2024 12:37 pm**

But, but, She is pretty.

Posted: **Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:00 pm**

That means she can smile for the camera as she digs, and look marvelous.

Posted: **Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:35 pm**

Alina Habba sez, "I was just asking questions and please don't sanction meeeee!"

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Posted: **Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:48 pm**

Apologies if I missed this in the thread.

Pretty is, as pretty does.¹

1. Chaucer in 'The Wife of Bath's Tale'(c. 1387).

Posted: **Tue Jan 30, 2024 1:54 pm**

Habba: It's all the NY Post! I'm Just Asking Questions!

Posted: **Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:13 pm**

No harm, no foul, right? RIGHT???????

Posted: **Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:23 pm**

Habba's footnote: oooo! "… potential bias hostility towards defense counsel, that will be raised in post-trial motions and in appeal."

That's not going to fly is it? Post -trial motions? – quickly DENNIED!! On appeal? – doesn't appealing require a huge bond paid into court, which would go from escrow straight to Carroll when the appeal inevitably fails, removing any possibility of defense attorneys negotiating a steep discount for paying up without forcing more litigation to collect.

Posted: **Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:28 pm**

I can only assume she has a death wish.

MTN has concluded she can't read. I agree. This is so much more than pandering to MAGA.

Posted: **Tue Jan 30, 2024 3:26 pm**

Sam the Centipede wrote: ↑Tue Jan 30, 2024 2:23 pm Habba's footnote: oooo! "… potential bias hostility towards defense counsel, that will be raised in post-trial motions and in appeal."

That's not going to fly is it? Post -trial motions? – quickly DENNIED!! On appeal? – doesn't appealing require a huge bond paid into court, which would go from escrow straight to Carroll when the appeal inevitably fails, removing any possibility of defense attorneys negotiating a steep discount for paying up without forcing more litigation to collect.

A post-trial motion for a new trial based on judicial misconduct will be denied. No "it depends"; money-in-the-bank guaranteed.

If there is an appeal (and I assume the judge will order a hefty bond as security), judicial misconduct by the trial court could be raised on appeal. While it is possible such a claim could succeed, in this case it would be extremely doubtful. Especially because the appellate courts are deferential to how judges treat litigants, especially badly behaving ones.

And, yes, the informed speculation is the parties will settle and there will be no appeal. If that happens, I'll take the over on the settlement being confidential, and the public won't learn what the number was.

I'm not sure, however, that Carroll will settle and take a discount on the judgment in exchange for certainly and celerity.

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I think the invocation of Rule 11 in the plaintiff's response did the trick: For one reason or another, the defendant now isn't going to move for recusal. That likely never was a serious plan; just some chum for the base.

Posted: **Tue Jan 30, 2024 5:02 pm**

It seems to me that if she "wants to determine if the information in the NY Post is factual," she should contact the Post, not write a letter to a judge accusing him of misconduct or the need to recuse. Especially since she apparently wrote her first letter just hours after the Post article appeared.

Which makes me wonder...where DID that Post get that info? Certainly it wouldn't have come from trumpland.

Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:15 am**

Looks like she's not getting paid. Most likely he didn't tell her and this is how she finds out.

Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:22 am**

"He was a bully who demanded two trials"

I don't think the outcome would have been much better if the 1st jury had needed to decide over the damages and not only guilt for defendant. Though it was correct to split appart, cause there was little sense to have an expert determine the value of just compensation in advance, an expert costs money and the case could have gone the other way.

Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:30 am**

ps. I wonder under what conditions an attorney specializing in appeals would take this case into an uphill battle. I understand that Habba left little behind that can be opposed to. An attempt to appeal sounds like an attempt for frivilous arguments and getting hammered by the court.

Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:35 am**

Dr. Ken wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:15 am Looks like she's not getting paid. Most likely he didn't tell her and this is how she finds out.

She got paid. From the various PACs. Over 4 mill, according to the filings this week.

Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:40 am**

RTH10260 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:30 am ps. I wonder under what conditions an attorney specializing in appeals would take this case into an uphill battle. I understand that Habba left little behind that can be opposed to. An attempt to appeal sounds like an attempt for frivilous arguments and getting hammered by the court.

Agreed.

Too also, I hate hate hate that this post is being read by the poster as "Habba fired." No evidence of that here.

Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:45 am**

p0rtia wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:40 am
RTH10260 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:30 am ps. I wonder under what conditions an attorney specializing in appeals would take this case into an uphill battle. I understand that Habba left little behind that can be opposed to. An attempt to appeal sounds like an attempt for frivilous arguments and getting hammered by the court.
Agreed.

Too also, I hate hate hate that this post is being read by the poster as "Habba fired." No evidence of that here.

Agreed. I would think it somewhat normal to have specialists for the appeal that weren't necessarily your trial attorneys. But that's just from being an observer here. Have I gotten the wrong impression, I wonder?

Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:35 am**

I agree the post doesn't say Hababa is being fired
As we have seen in other cases there are attorneys who specialize in appeals
Even Trump probably figured out Habba and partner were way out of their league flying solo in Carroll II.
So it's probably a combination of 2 & 3.

Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:42 am**

Her job is now to hang around the pool at Mar-a-lago, and serve him Diet Cokes on Trump Force One.

Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:43 am**

Ben-Prime wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:45 am
p0rtia wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:40 am
RTH10260 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 8:30 am ps. I wonder under what conditions an attorney specializing in appeals would take this case into an uphill battle. I understand that Habba left little behind that can be opposed to. An attempt to appeal sounds like an attempt for frivilous arguments and getting hammered by the court.
Agreed.

Too also, I hate hate hate that this post is being read by the poster as "Habba fired." No evidence of that here.
Agreed. I would think it somewhat normal to have specialists for the appeal that weren't necessarily your trial attorneys. But that's just from being an observer here. Have I gotten the wrong impression, I wonder?

It’s not at all unusual to hire separate counsel for appeal. The rules of appellate procedure are different from trial practice, and there are a number of traps for the unwary. So you have to know what you’re doing.

Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:45 am**

Estiveo wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 9:42 am Her job is now to hang around the pool at Mar-a-lago, and serve him Diet Cokes on Trump Force One.

And steam his suits when he gets stressed.

Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:37 am**

The latest trial was from a case that was actually filed prior to the Carroll 2 case that found him guilty of S.A. It turned out to be good luck for Carroll that NY passed the adult survivor act so she could file that. Carroll 1 (defamation) had been held up while they figured out whether a sitting president could be held liable for defamation. Having Carroll2 come first allowed them to settle the SA claim first so that when Carroll2 finally got to court that issue was settled. Without the adult survivor act, it would have been a messy trial where EJC had to prove both that her SA claim was true and that there was actual defamation (since truth is the defense of defamation).

Fortunately, shithead is a big fat liar who can't keep his mouth shut and his babmboozle apparatus is playing itself out.

I ran across an old article today that I'd forgotten about - Habba had a $1 million fine slapped on her in the case where turnip sued Clinton, Comey and a bunch of other people. That judge wrote a scathing GTFO my court ruling, so she's been sanctioned before.

Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:57 am**

Expanding on Estiveo's post, I also see pretty dumb lawyer being transferred from courtroom duty to exclusively media eye candy duty.

Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:22 pm**

Rolodex wrote: ↑Wed Jan 31, 2024 11:37 am The latest trial was from a case that was actually filed prior to the Carroll 2 case that found him guilty of S.A. It turned out to be good luck for Carroll that NY passed the adult survivor act so she could file that. Carroll 1 (defamation) had been held up while they figured out whether a sitting president could be held liable for defamation. Having Carroll2 come first allowed them to settle the SA claim first so that when Carroll2 finally got to court that issue was settled. Without the adult survivor act, it would have been a messy trial where EJC had to prove both that her SA claim was true and that there was actual defamation (since truth is the defense of defamation).

Fortunately, shithead is a big fat liar who can't keep his mouth shut and his babmboozle apparatus is playing itself out.

I ran across an old article today that I'd forgotten about - Habba had a $1 million fine slapped on her in the case where turnip sued Clinton, Comey and a bunch of other people. That judge wrote a scathing GTFO my court ruling, so she's been sanctioned before.

The fine was against she and Trump and I do not believe there was a delineation as to which pays how much, but I could be incorrect on that part.

Posted: **Wed Jan 31, 2024 12:52 pm**

I agree with all of the above about seeking appellate counsel. Question for those who have practiced in the federal appellate courts, are the local rules of each district substantially different or is there one set of rules for all districts?