Re: trump (the former guy)
Posted: Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:55 pm
Wonder if it's possible to photocopy classified documents. I'd hope not but.
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I actually worked for a county government agency that was raided by the FBI and IRS. They were investigating corruption in the county government (Cuyahoga County, Ohio, which includes Cleveland).bob wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:40 amA search warrants is, contrary to what the name might suggest, an authorization to search for things, and not just authorization to search places.pipistrelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:26 am What's to have kept tfg from hiding documents in, say, the larder, or other places unlikely to be searched?
So the warrant doesn't say, you may search the kitchen but not the bathroom. It says you may look for documents (for example), which means you may look for documents in all places at the location in which a document could reasonably be stored. So agents may open your spouse's closet, but not your spouse's jewelry box.
Having said that, I would not be surprised if this warrant expressly authorized popping the safe.
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No. Cooperation between different jurisdictions' law enforcement agencies does happen, but it isn't necessary.
Especially when the target is a person in politics or otherwise notable. OpSec means limiting those who need to know.
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I see he picked up on the NY Post's whine that his lawyers were booted from the premises. A line that will play great with the masses, but is laughable for anyone who knows anything about how searches are actually conducted.
My guess is that the pages would have at least a EURion constellation background print. This pattern of circles is found on US banknotes and many foreign banknotes. Modern photocopiers will detect the pattern and refuse to make a copy. I bet there are other tricks as well.pipistrelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:55 pm Wonder if it's possible to photocopy classified documents. I'd hope not but.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellationThe EURion constellation (also known as Omron rings[1] or doughnuts[2]) is a pattern of symbols incorporated into a number of secure documents such as banknotes and ownership title certificates designs worldwide since about 1996. It is added to help imaging software detect the presence of such a document in a digital image. Such software can then block the user from reproducing banknotes to prevent counterfeiting using colour photocopiers.
It doesn't seem like a very good SCIF, if the government had to ask that a padlock be installed.MN-Skeptic wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:43 pmI was curious so I did some looking.
One article - Mar-a-Lago security: How safe is President Trump's property? says:
A couple of other articles mention that there are three bomb shelters at MAL. I wonder if all of these rooms were included in the search of the basement.Author Ronald Kessler is a frequent visitor to Mar-a-Lago who has written books about Trump's tenure in the White House and the Secret Service. He says he knows the club is secure.
“If Trump wants to look at classified material. He looks at it in a SCIF (Sensitive Compartmented Information Facility), which protects against electronic intrusions in the basement,” said Kessler.
pipistrelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:54 pm Yeah, there was the marketing data company CEO who pleaded guilty. The small business owners-think they're genius entrepreneurs like their hero. Some were boys who achieved an age of majority and maturity but looked like they live in their mother's basement.
To me it's not about blue-collar jobs or struggling to get by or toothless hillbillies or rural vs. urban or old vs. young (plenty of both left and right). It's almost 100 percent about white people feeling that privilege slipping away and thinking tfg is going to "save [white] America." Mix in some fake Christian piety and the prosperity bible, and you have a fascist movement tied up in a bow. That may not match everyone, and some people may not admit that's what drives them, but that's my sense for most of them.
I figured that, and I think blue doesn't photocopy. Why not just have someone copy it by hand the old-fashioned way? I'm just trying to think of ways tfg could have sold info.much ado wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:14 pmMy guess is that the pages would have at least a EURion constellation background print. This pattern of circles is found on US banknotes and many foreign banknotes. Modern photocopiers will detect the pattern and refuse to make a copy. I bet there are other tricks as well.pipistrelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 10:55 pm Wonder if it's possible to photocopy classified documents. I'd hope not but.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellationThe EURion constellation (also known as Omron rings[1] or doughnuts[2]) is a pattern of symbols incorporated into a number of secure documents such as banknotes and ownership title certificates designs worldwide since about 1996. It is added to help imaging software detect the presence of such a document in a digital image. Such software can then block the user from reproducing banknotes to prevent counterfeiting using colour photocopiers.
The article mentions other mechanisms...
This!p0rtia wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 9:35 pm
The "blue collar guy afraid of losing his job" crap is lazy and ignorant reportage. We got it endlessly during 2016, along with a lot of other crap ("libs lose on the cultural issues" etc). Then the analysis happened and lo and behold, that wasn't the demographic at all. It was middle glass and upper middle class racists.
But still they repeat this shit.
I’m kinda amazed nobody in MAGALand ever read Rule 41.Sam the Centipede wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 4:56 pm If I didn't know how decent and honorable Fogfolk are, I'd suspect some of you are enjoying watching that nice Mr. Trump's difficulties in his Mierda Larga!
But I know you all really sympathize with the poor guy's plight, being unfairly harassed simply for what? – for just breaking many laws many times!
Well, taking snapshots of pages with a cell phone would also work pretty well, no matter what colors or security dots were on the pages. And the images could be texted across the globe in minutes. So I guess security mechanisms on plain-text pages would not be very effective. It would be easy for him to transfer the information.pipistrelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 11:26 pm
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I figured that, and I think blue doesn't photocopy. Why not just have someone copy it by hand the old-fashioned way? I'm just trying to think of ways tfg could have sold info.
Remember when the guy was carrying the nuclear football around among the club members? Good times.
Given how easy it would be to copy or transcribe the documents (and then return them), another possible motive for keeping them was to prevent anyone else from seeing them.much ado wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:46 am Well, taking snapshots of pages with a cell phone would also work pretty well, no matter what colors or security dots were on the pages. And the images could be texted across the globe in minutes. So I guess security mechanisms on plain-text pages would not be very effective. It would be easy for him to transfer the information.
On Monday at about 10 a.m. EST, two dozen FBI agents and technicians showed up at Donald Trump's Florida home to execute a search warrant to obtain any government-owned documents that might be in the possession of Trump but are required to be delivered to the Archives under the provisions of the 1978 Presidential Records Act. (In response to the Hillary Clinton email scandal, Trump himself signed a law in 2018 that made it a felony to remove and retain classified documents.)
I thought about that too. Like that conversation with the Russians that there's no record of.bob wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 5:16 amGiven how easy it would be to copy or transcribe the documents (and then return them), another possible motive for keeping them was to prevent anyone else from seeing them.much ado wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 1:46 am Well, taking snapshots of pages with a cell phone would also work pretty well, no matter what colors or security dots were on the pages. And the images could be texted across the globe in minutes. So I guess security mechanisms on plain-text pages would not be very effective. It would be easy for him to transfer the information.
I don't know, but I suspect we're going to have new information about this soon. The answer might be civil war, or at least major disturbances. As noted above, many, many of the MAGATs are spoiled racist babies. Maybe we will have to imprison a lot of them before the others shut up. Or maybe worse. I think it's prudent to prepare for worse. I'm in a dark place.Uninformed wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 6:06 am ... when there is such divisive political/social polarisation, with a large percentage of the population seemingly immune to any rational discourse (fuelled by social/mass media mis/disinformation ranging from the sloppy, to lazy, to deliberate), how does a country heal itself?
Ya I';ve mentioned this several times on the zoom meetups, and I posted an article saying this on the oldbow, but the prevailing myth seems to be that minorities and women rose up and kicked the old blustering fool out. Bull shit. Minorities actually voted for trump 2% more than 2016. What actually happened is that his vote among white men went down 8%. It was white men who saw through his bullshit and gave him the eviction notice. And didn't get the credit as it interferes with the script and might force people to *choke* think and alter their worldview a bit. Who cares if it's true?RVInit wrote: ↑Wed Aug 10, 2022 8:47 pm I lasted up until 35 minutes into that CNN panel and had to stop.
Sorry...here comes a rant. Skip over if you don't want to read angry words.
I am so damn sick and tired of hearing people say that the reason Trump snared a following is because of all the people who have been "beaten down by life", "the system isn't working for them", etc, etc.
Bull freaking shit. One of my sisters and her husband are MAGAts. During Obama's eight years in office she had the best, most high paying job she's ever had up to this point. Every single year she and her husband were able to afford to take a two week vacation down in the Keys, stay in a really nice bed and breakfast right on the beach, take their boat out to the ocean and fish and snorkel. Every. Single. Year. She was not "down and out", "beaten down by life", "stomped on by the government". And neither the fuck are any of his goddam base. Look at all these insurrectionists and all these people who travel all over the country attending every damn rally. They are all business owners. Some of them fly private planes from rally to rally and to DC to participate in the insurrection. I know we like to make fun of his base like they are all toothless hillbillies, and yes, some of them are. But just about every damn one that I personally know are people who had damn good jobs, made lots of money, have a nice late model car in their driveway for every single adult that lives in their home, they have boats in their garages, and own nice RVs. It is bull freaking shit that his base are a bunch of down and outers. They are mostly a bunch of people who enjoy white privilege and what they really like about Trump is he says the things they think and were too scared to say out loud themselves. The racist stuff in particular.
Lot of truth to this, Lots of anger among people who aren't poor, aren't underfed, have good houses and cars, aren't suffering. That's what pisses me off. I'm in a good place, with some concerns about staying funded during retirement, and that means I want to live the best life I can and be generous where I can because not everyone is in a good place. The only things I feel anger about are the constant crapping on the country, the environment, the climate, etc. And I know where that crap comes from. From the same people who are well off and have time to do damage I'm not in a place to undo.Suranis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 8:00 am But I think the reason why the "its lower class people who went trump" Myth is so sticky is because people don't like the fact that it is Middle class people who love trump. (a) That's where the "Liberals" are supposed to be and (b) it allows people to sneer down at the Trump voter rather than see the trump voter as being of the same class as themselves.
What actually is that Middle class people, liberal or conservative, tend to be angry intolerant shitheads. They are just above the Proles but still part of the shitty masses, not the high lifers they want to be. So, they tend to go into angry outrage bubbles where they can lash out and look down at other people and bask in their righteousness and superiority. The trump Voter being a middle class slob like themselves does not fit into the script.
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