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Maybenaut wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:26 pm

pipistrelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:43 pm This isn’t a trial, though, is it?

Yes, it is.

sugar magnolia wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:30 pm

Maybenaut wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 4:26 pm

pipistrelle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 1:43 pm This isn’t a trial, though, is it?

Yes, it is.

I thought the whole purpose of a plea deal was to avoid a trial? Or is any proceeding considered a "trial" in this context?

bill_g wrote: ↑Fri Apr 16, 2021 8:39 am Cancer doesn't stop him from rioting in DC, but it does limit his ability to spend time in jail.

Got it. I had no idea cancer was selective like that. Such an insidious disease.

fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:38 pm "It's our house." "We pay your salary." These were things people said on 1/6.

They think they own it.

fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:38 pm "It's our house." "We pay your salary." These were things people said on 1/6.

They think they own it.

noblepa wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 9:34 pm

fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 8:38 pm "It's our house." "We pay your salary." These were things people said on 1/6.

They think they own it.

This is the same nonsense that some people will try when a cop pulls them over for speeding.

sterngard friegen wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:56 pm I believe a lot of these deluded cult members stormed the Capitol on January 6 thinking there would be no serious consequences because their cult leader would pardon them. If the cult leader could shoot someone on 5th Avenue without consequence what's a few beaten cops at the Capitol?

Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:31 am

sterngard friegen wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:56 pm I believe a lot of these deluded cult members stormed the Capitol on January 6 thinking there would be no serious consequences because their cult leader would pardon them. If the cult leader could shoot someone on 5th Avenue without consequence what's a few beaten cops at the Capitol?

noblepa wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 11:08 am

Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:31 am

sterngard friegen wrote: ↑Sun Apr 18, 2021 6:56 pm I believe a lot of these deluded cult members stormed the Capitol on January 6 thinking there would be no serious consequences because their cult leader would pardon them. If the cult leader could shoot someone on 5th Avenue without consequence what's a few beaten cops at the Capitol?

I seriously doubt that any of them gave even a passing thought to potential consequences. The were on a glorious mission, led by their golden-haired, orange-skinned demi-god.

It was only after the police regained some semblance of control and they were herded out of the building and they saw the way it was being covered on the news, that the "Oh shit, I'm in trouble" realization set in for some (not all) of them.

BTW, any thoughts on how many of the 400 or so that have been charged will plead guilty and how many will go to trial and roll the dice? I suspect that a lot of them will plead guilty, if only to reduce the prison time they have to serve. A few diehards will "fight the system" and try to use the "stolen election" as their defense in court, but not many. I think that most will chicken out and beg for mercy. I'm not inclined to be merciful.

Kelly said new evidence presented by prosecutors showing Nordean and Biggs’ men’s central role in orchestrating the incursion was a decisive factor in his ruling. He delivered a painstaking retelling of the case against the two men, reciting their profanity-laden social media posts vowing violence against lawmakers and others preparing to certify the results of the 2020 election, as well as their private communications revealed by prosecutors as the investigation unfolded.

Prosecutors say Nordean took on an expanded leadership role in the group on Jan. 4, after the Proud Boys’ national leader Enrique Tarrio was arrested upon arrival in Washington, D.C. on charges stemming from violence at an earlier pro-Trump protest. They say he helped craft the group’s tactical strategy for Jan. 6, encouraging them to divide into smaller groups and overwhelm outmatched Capitol Police. Prosecutors also spelled out efforts by the group to cover their tracks after Tarrio’s arrest, dropping earlier private messaging channels and opening up new ones.

Nordean and Biggs, according to prosecutors, are also on the hook for significant damage to the Capitol caused by fellow Proud Boy Dominic Pezzola, who smashed a window with a riot shield early in the siege. Pezzola’s action, a central feature of many of the Capitol prosecutions, led to one of the earliest breaches of the Capitol.

Jim wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 1:33 pm Judge to revoke bail for Proud Boy leaders involved in Capitol riot

Kelly said new evidence presented by prosecutors showing Nordean and Biggs’ men’s central role in orchestrating the incursion was a decisive factor in his ruling. He delivered a painstaking retelling of the case against the two men, reciting their profanity-laden social media posts vowing violence against lawmakers and others preparing to certify the results of the 2020 election, as well as their private communications revealed by prosecutors as the investigation unfolded.

Prosecutors say Nordean took on an expanded leadership role in the group on Jan. 4, after the Proud Boys’ national leader Enrique Tarrio was arrested upon arrival in Washington, D.C. on charges stemming from violence at an earlier pro-Trump protest. They say he helped craft the group’s tactical strategy for Jan. 6, encouraging them to divide into smaller groups and overwhelm outmatched Capitol Police. Prosecutors also spelled out efforts by the group to cover their tracks after Tarrio’s arrest, dropping earlier private messaging channels and opening up new ones.

Nordean and Biggs, according to prosecutors, are also on the hook for significant damage to the Capitol caused by fellow Proud Boy Dominic Pezzola, who smashed a window with a riot shield early in the siege. Pezzola’s action, a central feature of many of the Capitol prosecutions, led to one of the earliest breaches of the Capitol.

During his lengthy ruling, Kelly joined a chorus of judges who have criticized the former acting U.S. Attorney in Washington — Michael Sherwin — over an interview last month in which he said he believed the evidence in the Capitol riot cases justified sedition charges that have not yet been filed.

“Obviously, this was a highly unprofessional interview that Mr. Sherwin gave,” Kelly said. He noted that the comments by Sherwin, who was replaced last month as head of the Capitol riot probe, have been referred to Justice’s Office of Professional Responsibility for investigation.

“I am going to warn all sides here that comments that violate the local rules of this court — I’m certainly not going to put up with anything like that from the attorneys who have entered their appearance in this case from this point forward,” the judge added.

filly wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 4:01 pm WAPO is reporting that DC medical examiner says Officer Sicknick died of”natural causes” I.i. two strokes!

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:26 pm Stroke as in couldn't get oxygen to his brain because of a violent reaction to bear spray? What was the mechanism that caused the stroke?

That's like saying a car crashed because it hit a wall. Why did it hit the wall?

filly wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:29 pm

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:26 pm Stroke as in couldn't get oxygen to his brain because of a violent reaction to bear spray? What was the mechanism that caused the stroke?

That's like saying a car crashed because it hit a wall. Why did it hit the wall?

A blood clot. Ironic that he happened to have a blood clot resulting in two strokes after doing battle with the Seditionists. Can't help but make the parallels to the George Floyd case.

sugar magnolia wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:33 pm

filly wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:29 pm

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:26 pm Stroke as in couldn't get oxygen to his brain because of a violent reaction to bear spray? What was the mechanism that caused the stroke?

That's like saying a car crashed because it hit a wall. Why did it hit the wall?

A blood clot. Ironic that he happened to have a blood clot resulting in two strokes after doing battle with the Seditionists. Can't help but make the parallels to the George Floyd case.

Except they can find a blood clot during an autopsy.

The Times story interviewed 18 current and former employees of OAN that condemned the network’s dedication to misinformation. One former producer at the network said more than a dozen staffers left after the Jan. 6 attack, in which a horde of Trump supporters ransacked the Capitol building because they believed the 2020 election was fraudulent.

While most spoke on condition of anonymity, Golingan gave an on the record interview.

Golingan also said that he had been reprimanded by OAN’s news director for referring to Joe Biden as “president” since the inauguration.

He added that he and others at OAN disagreed with much of the channel’s coverage. “The majority of people did not believe the voter fraud claims being run on the air,” Mr. Golingan said in an interview, referring to his colleagues.

He recalled seeing a photo of someone in the Capitol mob holding a flag emblazoned with the OAN logo. “I was like, OK, that’s not good,” Mr. Golingan said. “That’s what happens when people listen to us.”