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Ben-Prime wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:18 pm

Azastan wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 5:44 pm Why is he calling it a marine barrier?

Should be "riverine speed bump", I think.

Navigation. Although the river's greatest depth is 60 feet (18 m), the Rio Grande generally cannot be navigated by passenger riverboats or by cargo barges. Navigation is only possible near the mouth of the river, in rare circumstances up to Laredo, Texas.

much ado wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:01 am From Wikipedia...

Navigation. Although the river's greatest depth is 60 feet (18 m), the Rio Grande generally cannot be navigated by passenger riverboats or by cargo barges. Navigation is only possible near the mouth of the river, in rare circumstances up to Laredo, Texas.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rio_Grande

Navigation was active during much of the 19th century,[14] with over 200 different steamboats operating between the river's mouth close to Brownsville and Rio Grande City, Texas. Many steamboats from the Ohio and Mississippi Rivers were requisitioned by the U.S. government and moved to the Rio Grande during the Mexican–American War in 1846. They provided transport for the U.S. Army, under General Zachary Taylor, to invade Monterrey, Nuevo León, via Camargo Municipality, Tamaulipas. Army engineers recommended that with small improvements, the river could easily be made navigable as far north as El Paso.[citation needed] Those recommendations were never acted upon.

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In The United States

What constitutes 'navigable' waters can not be separated from the context in which the question is asked. Numerous federal agencies define jurisdiction based on navigable waters, including admiralty jurisdiction, pollution control, to the licensing of dams, and even property boundaries.
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Navigable waters, as defined by the US Army Corps of Engineers as codified under 33 CFR 329, are those waters that are subject to the ebb and flow of the tide, and those inland waters that are presently used, or have been used in the past, or may be susceptible for use to transport interstate or foreign commerce while the waterway is in its ordinary condition at the time of statehood. Section 10 of the Rivers and Harbors Act of 1899 (33 U.S.C. 403), approved 3 March 1899, prohibits the unauthorized obstruction of a navigable water of the U.S. This statute also requires a permit from the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers for any construction in or over any navigable water, or the excavation or discharge of material into such water, or the accomplishment of any other work affecting the course, location, condition, or capacity of such waters. However, the ACOE recognizes that only the judiciary can make a definitive ruling as to which are navigable waters.
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Also, the Clean Water Act has introduced the terms "traditional navigable waters," and "waters of the United States" to define the scope of Federal jurisdiction under the Clean Water Act. Here, "Waters of the United States" include not only navigable waters, but also tributaries of navigable waters and nearby wetlands with "a significant nexus to navigable waters"; both are covered under the Clean Water Act. Therefore, the Clean Water Act establishes Federal jurisdiction beyond "navigable waters" extending a more limited federal jurisdiction under the Act over private property which may at times be submerged by waters.

tek wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:21 am What's with all this maritime law?
Next thing you know we'll be talking about fringy flags!

keith wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 3:51 am Again IANAL, but my conclusion is that the United States would have a good argument if they decided to push the matter, and so would Mexico.

Texas sued over plan to deploy floating barrier on Rio Grande to curb border crossings

The owner of a Texas canoe and kayaking company filed a lawsuit on Friday seeking to stop the installation of a marine floating barrier on the Rio Grande, claiming Gov. Greg Abbott has no right to regulate the border.

The lawsuit was filed on the same day that Texas started deploying buoys for the barrier in an attempt to deter migrant crossings on the river along the US-Mexico border.

The suit lists the state of Texas and Abbott, as well as the Texas Department of Public Safety and the Texas National Guard. CNN has reached out to Abbott’s office for comment.

The lawsuit alleges the buoys will prevent Epi’s and Fuentes, the company’s owner-operator, from conducting tours and canoe and kayak sessions in the border town Eagle Pass, causing “imminent and irreparable harm to EPI.”

The suit accuses the Republican governor of misapplying the Texas Disaster Act of 1975 to justify the buoy system – which “has no logical connection to the purpose of the Disaster Act, which is to respond to ‘the occurrence or imminent threat of widespread or severe damage, injury, or loss of life or property resulting from any natural or man-made cause.’ “

The suit accuses the Republican governor of misapplying the Texas Disaster Act of 1975 to justify the buoy system – which “has no logical connection to the purpose of the Disaster Act, which is to respond to ‘the occurrence or imminent threat of widespread or severe damage, injury, or loss of life or property resulting from any natural or man-made cause.’ “

tek wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 6:18 am

The suit accuses the Republican governor of misapplying the Texas Disaster Act of 1975 to justify the buoy system – which “has no logical connection to the purpose of the Disaster Act, which is to respond to ‘the occurrence or imminent threat of widespread or severe damage, injury, or loss of life or property resulting from any natural or man-made cause.’ “

Oh, I could easily see a RWNJ judge disagreeing with that.

Ben-Prime wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2023 1:41 pm The trick would be in disagreeing in a way that wouldn't bite them on the butt when a certain Democratic administration makes similar use of emergency powers.

Laiken Jordahl @LaikenJordahl wrote: Note the barefoot child who looks to be about 5 y/o, running through the Rio Grande alongside the razor-wire where Texas is deploying Gov. Abbott’s “floating wall.”

This diabolical project is intended to trap & drown migrants. “Deterrence,” they call it…

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raison de arizona wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 2:54 pm https://twitter.com/LaikenJordahl/statu ... 61808?s=20

Laiken Jordahl @LaikenJordahl wrote: Note the barefoot child who looks to be about 5 y/o, running through the Rio Grande alongside the razor-wire where Texas is deploying Gov. Abbott’s “floating wall.”

This diabolical project is intended to trap & drown migrants. “Deterrence,” they call it…

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RTH10260 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 11, 2023 9:36 pm As we discussed before, now that I have seen a closeup view of the contraption: bring along a yard of strong rope, get to the barrier, throw half of the rope over the connecting rod between two floats, hold the ends together, take a deep breath and while holding on the rope to guide you, dive under the barrier, appear happily at the American side, make your way towards the river bank.

Gregg wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:29 am Get 5 lbs of tannerite, swim out and affix to barrier. Go back to shore and "barrier go boom" tannerite/barrier. Swim happily to Texas.

WASHINGTON — Officers working for Gov. Greg Abbott’s border security initiative have been ordered to push small children and nursing babies back into the Rio Grande, and have been told not to give water to asylum seekers even in extreme heat, according to an email from a Department of Public Safety trooper who described the actions as “inhumane.”

The July 3 account, reviewed by Hearst Newspapers, discloses several previously unreported incidents the trooper witnessed in Eagle Pass, where the state of Texas has strung miles of razor wire and deployed a wall of buoys in the Rio Grande.

According to the email, a pregnant woman having a miscarriage was found late last month caught in the wire, doubled over in pain. A four-year-old girl passed out from heat exhaustion after she tried to go through it and was pushed back by Texas National Guard soldiers. A teenager broke his leg trying to navigate the water around the wire and had to be carried by his father.

The email, which the trooper sent to a superior, suggests that Texas has set “traps” of razor wire-wrapped barrels in parts of the river with high water and low visibility. And it says the wire has increased the risk of drownings by forcing migrants into deeper stretches of the river.

AndyinPA wrote: ↑Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:51 pm How do these people look at themselves in the mirror or sleep at night?