Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:52 pm
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Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:56 pm
I think the building in the foreground of the video is 8701 Collins, looks like the right geometry
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 12:58 pm
I'm not saying it's a sinkhole but right after we moved to SWFL, part of a house up in Tampa got swallowed up by a sinkhole with a guy. They could hear him down there yelling...for a little while. They were unable to rescue him. I don't think they were even able to recovery the body. He was buried alive. Still makes me shiver. Florida bedrock is limestone, so I don't know if that has anything to do with it. Probably bad construction but I thought I'd mention it.
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:01 pm
Building close to the water is not a recent phenomenon. Either you have a building code in place to ensure safe buildings are built, or you do not allow buildings in that area. If the building code was sufficient, then you have to question the builders' adherence to that code.
(Just my personal opinion. This is not my area of expertise by any means.)
(Just my personal opinion. This is not my area of expertise by any means.)
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:39 pm
Hmmm - camera would have been top left of this picture pair. The last part of the building to collapse looked very narrow in camera view, that why I doubted the video.
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 1:57 pm
It makes me wonder how much of Miami would turn into a cloud of dust if there were a minor earthquake.
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:16 pm
With liquefaction it'd all prolly sink into the mire.
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 2:50 pm
Official says 51 unaccounted for following Miami-area building collapse, 1 confirmed dead
https://www.fox4now.com/news/national/m ... ounted-for
https://www.fox4now.com/news/national/m ... ounted-for
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:40 pm
WaPo just reported 99 missing. I wonder how many are snowbirds though? A lot, I hope.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... iami-dade/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... iami-dade/
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:49 pm
Unfortunately, I don't think there will be many (if any) snowbirds in that total. I'm assuming the condo association keeps track when residents fly north for the summer and their unit is vacant. This is turning from a rescue to a recovery operation. Very tragic.covfefe wrote: ↑Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:40 pm WaPo just reported 99 missing. I wonder how many are snowbirds though? A lot, I hope.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2 ... iami-dade/
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 3:51 pm
Not sure if posted...video of the collapse.
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:02 pm
Don’t remember seeing a building collapse that looked so much like a demolition. I suppose the conspiracy loons are already at work.
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:04 pm
Building determined to be unstable a year ago.
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:08 pm
Wow, a year ago?
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 4:10 pm
A researcher at Florida International University said the building was constructed on reclaimed wetlands and was determined to be unstable a year ago.
The building was sinking at a rate of about 2 millimeters a year in the 1990s, and the sinking could have slowed or accelerated in the time since, according to a 2020 study conducted by Shimon Wdowinski, a professor in the Department of Earth and Environment at Florida International University.
“I looked at this morning and said ‘Oh my god.’ We did detect that,” he said of the Champlain Towers South.
The level of subsidence observed in the 1990s can results in impacts to buildings and their structures, such as cracked walls or shifting foundations, Wdowinski said.
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 9:41 pm
in https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/06/24 ... g-collapse
The way the rubble pile looks the building collapsed neatly unto itself. Not much chance that anyone would not be squashed by the floot/ceilings.Officials have accounted for 102 people who lived in the building, but 99 people remained unaccounted for by midafternoon, said Mayor Daniella Levine Cava of Miami-Dade County.
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:39 pm
Sportsballers stepping up:
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/317 ... pses-miami
The Heat weren't the only Miami-based professional sports franchise to offer help. The Miami Marlins announced that they sent three vans filled with meals and water for rescue workers and essential items for residents displaced by the collapse.
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/317 ... pses-miami
The Heat weren't the only Miami-based professional sports franchise to offer help. The Miami Marlins announced that they sent three vans filled with meals and water for rescue workers and essential items for residents displaced by the collapse.
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 7:05 am
Had to watch a bit of Fox & Friends to see how they're reporting it. So far not blaming it on Biden, the radical left democrats or the illegal immigrants. I give it a few days.
/sarcasm
They conditions the rescuers are having to work in now. Rain, and really windy this morning. All that heavy gear in all that heat and humidity.
/sarcasm
They conditions the rescuers are having to work in now. Rain, and really windy this morning. All that heavy gear in all that heat and humidity.
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:27 am
Latest report - 159 residents cannot not be accounted.
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 8:43 am
same as Lani, but have link to NYT continuous reporting page
Rescue Efforts Continue at Condo Collapse Near Miami
Mayor Daniella Levine Cava of Miami-Dade County said three bodies had been pulled from the rubble overnight, bringing the known death toll to four. She said 159 people remained unaccounted for.
more at https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/06/25 ... g-collapse
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:32 am
Republican/DeSantis infrastructure plan.
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 9:51 am
DeSantis Republican emergency worker toolset
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Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:11 am
Listening to interviews with folks desperate to find loved ones in this disaster is just gut wrenching 
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:26 am
Yes. CNN had a lady on this morning that was close friends with a mother and her daughter. She's been texting and calling since she heard, phone goes straight to V/M.
Looking at the work involved going through the rubble and the huge danger to the rescuers with all that debris hanging over them. So dangerous.
Re: Man-Made Disasters
Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2021 10:32 am
So sad.