Fogbow

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 5:16 pm Media Matters has a round up of RWNJs calling the verdict a victory for tfg.
https://www.mediamatters.org/donald-tru ... defamation
Ex:

Jason S. Campbell @JasonSCampbell wrote: Minutes after Donald Trump was found liable for sexual abuse and defamation, a Newsmax guest calls it a "major win" for Trump: "Don't worry about the money. Whether it's $4 or 5 million, that means nothing to Trump. He did not want to be labelled a rapist"

Funny, trump didn’t sound like a winner in his statement.

chancery wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:10 pm

SuzieC wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:26 pm

chancery wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:21 pm So, at the margin I would have preferred "yes" on the first question, but the fact that it was "no" makes it harder to argue credibly that this was a politicized, knee-jerk jury.

Edit: I too strongly suspect that this was a compromise verdict.

Agree, but Ms. Carroll testified that she was not certain that Trump penetrated her with his penis, in part because she could not see it. She was certain about other details of the assault, though.

Ah, I had missed (or forgotten) that significant detail.

And the 2 other accusers, Jessica Leeds and Natasha Stoynof, both also testified to digital penetration.

And that’s what Trump himself referenced on the Access Hollywood tape.

I don’t believe this was a compromise verdict in any way. I think the jury acted conscientiously and decided they couldn’t be certain there was a preponderance of evidence for rape, as defined by genital penetration, but they could be for the battery by sexual abuse.

Kudos to them for their careful consideration.

So nice for Trump that he is merely being called a sexual batterer and not a rapist.

I love the guy on the clip raison posted, where he insists:

This is a major win for Trump and Trump will appeal to get it overturned.

Chilidog wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 5:24 pm Does he have to register as a sex offender, now?

No.

she was not certain that Trump penetrated her with his penis, in part because she could not see it.

Well........ Ok.

Chilidog wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 5:24 pm Does he have to register as a sex offender, now?

Iirc that usually requires a conviction

I am bad.

Chilidog wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 5:33 pm

she was not certain that Trump penetrated her with his penis, in part because she could not see it.

Well........ Ok.

MSNBC said her testimony was that she believed he went from digital to genital penetration, but she could not be sure because he was behind her and so out of her sight line.

IMO she was honest and careful in her testimony. I think the jury took that seriously, especially since neither the other 2 accusers nor Trump’s remarks ever referenced genital rape.

Jim Wright: "From now on, every time Trump says: "I wasn't convicted of rape..." he is legally required to add "...because my winkie is too small" "

Unfortunately, he wasn't convicted of anything at all. Civil cases don't end with convictions.

He was found liable by a jury for sexual battery and defamation in a civil case. He attacked a woman in a department store in NYC, smashing her into a wall and assaulting her sexually, and then lied about it afterward. I think that's the worst we can legitimately say about him, but the lawyers here will probably refine it.

Foggy wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:34 pm Yeah, he's still gonna be the Republican nominee for President of the United States of America.

Debates could be fun.

Tfg is already chickening out of the Republican debates. Do you think he’ll be brave enough to show up to a debate with Biden and be told to shut up again?

Adam Klasfeld

I’ll be speaking about today’s E. Jean Carroll verdict on:

* @InsideEdition at 7 p.m. ET
* @DanAbramsLive at 9 p.m. ET
4:44 PM · May 9, 2023

On the bright side, he can go to rallies now and tell them he's the first and greatest president that a jury ever said was a liar and a sexual predator. Obviously all the jurors are lunatic leftist deranged Trump haters, so the verdict is just plain wrong.

'Course, he doesn't even know who she is, the implication being that he normally only sexually attacks women he knows fairly well, so it's probably all a big mistake. He wouldn't sexually attack a complete stranger, even though that's what he told Billy Bush he did, and that deposition ...

It's all very confusing, but I'm sure he'll be happy to join the Republican debates before the primaries now, 'cuz he got some 'splainin' to do.

Foggy wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 5:36 pm I am bad.

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Chilidog wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 5:33 pm

she was not certain that Trump penetrated her with his penis, in part because she could not see it.

Well........ Ok.

My gal Stephanie says it's shaped like a mushroom, so it might not have been detectable as a penis even if it did penetrate.

Donald, is that a mushroom in your pocket, or are you just happy to see me?

Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:01 pm

AndyinPA wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:59 pm I lost, but I wanted to lose. What do I win?

We BOTH win a civil verdict against tfg on sexual assault and defamation!!!!!

HOOORAYY!!

Everyone wins!!

Except for tfg. He’s a loser!

I would have thanked the jury.

Full (four page) verdict: https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000188 ... 7d06460000

Liam Nissan wrote:Trump's gonna have a real tough time campaigning for president if he can't go within 500 feet of a school anymore

.

I heard on 3 different news shows after the verdict that one of the women on the jury was a "proud, public MAGA" and that she even brought her MAGA hat and left it in the car. Sort of hard to spin that as nothing but liberal Dems on the jury.

Ah, so she was:

1. A woman, and

2. A proud MAGAt.

Definitely some potential for conflict there. I think maybe I can guess which one is more important to her, or was today.

This case pretty much featured men on one side and women on the other.

Andrew Weisman on Deadline WH today - he reminded us that on one of Manafort's trials one juror was a die-hard MAGA, but she left he hat in the car and did what duty required and left politics on the side.

June bug wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 5:26 pm

chancery wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:10 pm

SuzieC wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:26 pm

Agree, but Ms. Carroll testified that she was not certain that Trump penetrated her with his penis, in part because she could not see it. She was certain about other details of the assault, though.

Ah, I had missed (or forgotten) that significant detail.

And the 2 other accusers, Jessica Leeds and Natasha Stoynof, both also testified to digital penetration.

I'm pretty sure they didn't. Leeds I think testified that he got his hand up her skirt, but I don't think he got any farther. Stoynof, I'm pretty sure no.