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Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:49 pm
by scirreeve
So sorry PG.
Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:58 pm
by Phoenix520
It’s not fair, at all.
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Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:51 pm
by Sequoia32
Just found out my neighbors, the ones in the other half of our duplex, who have the code to my door and come in unmasked, all came down with Covid a couple of weeks ago. I wondered why it was so quiet over there.
Last month I asked the mom, Jennifer, if they were all vaxxed as I was worried about her 3 month old nephew that she was babysitting 3 days/week. Jen said "no".
Teen daughter's boyfriend got it from his mom who got it at work. His dad is still having problems with clots. Mom is back to work after losing 2 weeks.
Teen daughter is the only one vaxxed but she and boyfriend still missed 2 weeks of work, Jen said: "Marissa wasn’t as bad as Ryan probably because she was vaccinated." Ya think?
Jennifer spent 3 nights in the hospital. She said: "Because I just had it I can’t get the vaccine for a certain time now. They told me I have to wait."
NOW she'll take it.
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Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:03 pm
by Foggy
So sorry, Patagoniagirl, hugs and love coming your way!
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Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 7:23 pm
by W. Kevin Vicklund
Unsurprisingly, my mom has tested positive and is now symptomatic. I'm going to guess my dad was exposed the day after we met up, and then gave it to my mom. It's closing in on us: one of my mom's long-time friends, who is like an honorary uncle to me, just tested positive, and the entire family of my wife's sister-in-law has it (because antivaxxer/antimasker cousins). SIL is incoherent with rage right now.
I wish the best for you PG.
Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:56 pm
by John Thomas8
It's intensely maddening that morons and outright liars are causing this anti-vax crap.
We've enforced getting vaccinated since BEFORE we were a country (thank you George) and STILL idiots are allowed to drive the bus off the cliff.
Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2021 4:22 am
by Sam the Centipede
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Best wishes to all with Covid in their nuclear and extended families. I too would be furious
![Twisted Evil :twisted:](./images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif)
if my family were exposed and infected wholly through the negligence of others.
It's understandable in an individualistic society that individuals reject the principle that they should act for the good of strangers, for the benefit of the wider community.
But the refusal to act for the benefit of family, friends and close neighbors, for actual people with faces you know, not abstract others, is disgraceful.
Denmark credits its population's
samfundsind (sense of community) with a generally good response to the pandemic.
France changed its Covid motto recently to
Dedans avec les miens, dehors en citoyen (Inside with my own [people], outside as a citizen) to encourage compliance with regulations and guidance.
Good citizenship is a precious asset in these times.
Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:23 pm
by W. Kevin Vicklund
Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:37 pm
by sugar magnolia
Why is she converned about consequences? Her cousin obviously wasn't.
Fuck them all. Call them out in public. Shun them.
Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:58 pm
by W. Kevin Vicklund
sugar magnolia wrote: ↑Thu Sep 16, 2021 7:37 pm
Why is she converned about consequences? Her cousin obviously wasn't.
Fuck them all. Call them out in public. Shun them.
I believe it was more out of respect for her Dad. She was adopted (native biomother, germanic biofather), so she has strong feelings about family, which were intensified when biomom refused to reconnect when she tracked down her tribe a few years ago.
Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 8:28 pm
by p0rtia
So sorry to hear this, Kevin.
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Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2021 9:33 pm
by Tiredretiredlawyer
Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:39 pm
by Jim
I have a friend who has been battling the COVID for a couple months now, she's been to the Mayo Clinic since the virus has caused her neurological damage to her legs and feet and she can no longer feel them.
From ballerina to wheelchair bound in just a few months. Just like the flu my ass.
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Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:23 pm
by Uninformed
That’s terrible.
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Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:44 pm
by sugar magnolia
So my friend with scleroderma and I have apparently been exposed by her sister. We're not even getting tested unless we start showing symptoms. Everybody (including her sister) is vaxxed so we're hoping to escape. I'm giving it another 48 hours before I take that deep sigh of relief.
Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:16 pm
by AndyinPA
Good luck.
Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:24 pm
by Resume18
Good luck.
Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Sat Sep 18, 2021 2:28 am
by Lani
Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 3:35 pm
by Baidn
sugar magnolia wrote: ↑Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:44 pm
So my friend with scleroderma and I have apparently been exposed by her sister. We're not even getting tested unless we start showing symptoms. Everybody (including her sister) is vaxxed so we're hoping to escape. I'm giving it another 48 hours before I take that deep sigh of relief.
Well wishes and prayers. Some positive experience news as a fully vaxxed person who got a breakthrough case: if my experience is the norm for the fully vaxxed it felt like a very mild cold. I almost didn't get tested bc my symptoms were so mild, luckily the wife insisted bc the mil contractor I work for wanted me to keep working unless I developed a fever (have to make up production time dontcha know
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) hoping you all are negative and failing that it's so mild you barely notice it
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Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:14 pm
by W. Kevin Vicklund
Turns out there was another side effect from the jab Dr. Vicklund got a week and a half ago. Guys, if female health squicks you out, don't read any further.
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Dr. Vicklund started her period a couple days before getting her vaccine. It stopped the day after, long enough for her to act on the randiness that accompanies the post-cramp portion of her period, but started again a few days later. Lasted a couple of days, stopped for a few more, then on Wednesday started up full force with no warning after we thought it was over. Very heavy flow, still ongoing.
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Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:24 pm
by Phoenix520
Aunt Flo is so unpredictable.
That’s the first I’ve heard of that particular side-effect.
Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:47 pm
by W. Kevin Vicklund
Phoenix520 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:24 pm
Aunt Flo is so unpredictable.
That’s the first I’ve heard of that particular side-effect.
Disruption of the first cycle post-vaccination isn't that uncommon, even for other vaccines.
Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:49 pm
by Sam the Centipede
Phoenix520 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 19, 2021 11:24 pm
Aunt Flo is so unpredictable.
That’s the first I’ve heard of that particular side-effect.
There have been a lot of grumbles about disrupted menstrual cycles (timing, heaviness, etc.) together with complaints that these issues have been ignored because the historically male-oriented medical establishment is not interested, and tends to assume that women's bodies are capricious with their cycles anyway.
The current view is that the disruption is probably caused by the immune response to the vaccines rather than by the specific contents of any vaccine.
I have seen chatter that suggests that disruption of cycles is an under-reported or under-recognized side-effect of other vaccines too. Perhaps we will get more investigation now as a result of this unprecedented mass vaccination campaign, similar to how the prevalence of Long Covid will probably improve understanding of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) and other post-acute viral sequelae. Small silver linings!
Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 12:46 am
by Lani
A few decades ago, men were used for testing pharmaceuticals that would be used by women. IIRC, this was a big problem re estrogen for birth control pills and menopause. And then the number of women having breast and cervical cancer increased.... Doses are much lower now.
Re: Coronavirus on a Personal Basis
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2021 4:51 am
by Sam the Centipede
For those interested in the menstrual cycles and immunity issue, here's a straightforward pre-Covid article which gives some good general background:
The immune system and the menstrual cycle [by Maegan Boutot]
As it says, and as I am sure many women here know, susceptibility to health problems can vary during a cycle. (I don't have the requisite equipment to have personal experience!)
It's not a complete surprise that an ongoing strong immune response might affect the heaviness of bleeding for a short time. The bleeding involves an inflammatory response, and inflammation is very much an immune system process.
But the disruption of the cycle implies the immune response is interfering with hormone levels, which is less obvious. It would be interesting (and maybe research will identify) if menstrual disruption is associated with experiencing other known short-term side-effects of the vaccine (feeling lousy, joint or muscle pain, headaches, etc.) or is an independent. My guess? Probably both.
One remote possibility is that the antibodies to spike can have some small affinity to something connected with the hormones, but that seems very unlikely. Antibodies are quite precise and the body has complex safeguards to prevent the immune system attacking its owner (of course, those safeguards can fail in autoimmune diseases). The hormones themselves look absolutely nothing like the SARS-CoV-2 antigens: the antigens are proteins (long chains of amino acids, folded up) whereas the hormones are four joined carbon rings (phenols) with some extra fiddly bits.