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Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 6:59 am
by tek
neeneko wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 7:58 pm That they were using RStudio for audit work reinforced my earlier idea that they have a bunch of undergrad ML/DS interns around and are poorly applying whatever tools they remember from school.

RStudio is a great toolset, but doesn't make sense in an audit unless you are planning to make some kind of fancy difficult to follow statistical model.. the kind where you tell it what result you want and it fits the data to it.
daughter.tek is finishing up her MS in Data Science as I type (doing her capstone project).
She has said many times that her peers in classes in graduate school have zero clue what they are doing.

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 7:47 am
by fierceredpanda
This guy seems nice:



:shock:

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 8:00 am
by neeneko
LM K wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 8:25 pm I think they're using RStudio because they can't figure out how to use anything else. Assuming they know what else to use.
Yeah.. depending on the program, often students are introduced to either RStudio, Jupyter Notebook, or NetLOGO as the single tool/environment that they then do EVERYTHING through.... or if you are dealing with an older crowd, maybe SAS.

Which really tells me they are being steered by someone fairly young and not that long out of school.. or at least lacking the intellectual curiosity/industry experience to have picked up more specialized tools. Then again I do pretty my everything through CPython so perhaps I can not throw stones here.

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 8:03 am
by neeneko
tek wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 6:59 am daughter.tek is finishing up her MS in Data Science as I type (doing her capstone project).
She has said many times that her peers in classes in graduate school have zero clue what they are doing.
Off Topic
Heh

Yep. Most of the people I work with are ML and DS students (grad and undergrad).. and can confirm that many of them have zero clue. Others are really amazing and competent.... the variety even within a single program is staggering. Though I find I walk away with different impressions regarding competence than my boss does, which makes me wish I had the perspective to unpack and check bias.

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 10:21 am
by Resume18
fierceredpanda wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 7:47 am This guy seems nice:



:shock:

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 10:31 am
by filly
fierceredpanda wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 7:47 am This guy seems nice:



:shock:
And a man of great intellect.

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 12:29 pm
by Eaststander
fierceredpanda wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 7:47 am This guy seems nice:



:shock:
It is truly astonishing. How do these people manage to tie their own shoe laces? How do they get through a semblance of normal life? How?

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 12:33 pm
by LM K
tek wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 6:59 am daughter.tek is finishing up her MS in Data Science as I type (doing her capstone project).
She has said many times that her peers in classes in graduate school have zero clue what they are doing.
Off Topic
Please congratulate your daughter on my behalf! We desperately need more women in science/tech/engineering/math (STEM) fields.

I sincerely hope your daughter's peers figure out what they're doing. Researchers in all science fields rely of statisticians and data analysts for our research.

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 12:44 pm
by LM K
It's sad that MAGA doesn't understand that statistical analysis is involved in a real audit process. They think that 2nd grade addition/subtraction/division is enough to audit an election. :doh:

Yesterday's hearing seriously spanked Cyber Ninjas.

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 12:49 pm
by p0rtia
It's the "don't know how things work" syndrome

Which is, of course, directly related to the war on professionalism.

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 1:42 pm
by Dr. Ken
Newest theory is that Trump ballots were shredded and then fed to chickens and then the chickens were incinerated to hide the evidence....


Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 1:46 pm
by Slim Cognito
Wouldn't it have been simpler to just incinerate the ballots?

Oh wait.

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 1:53 pm
by LM K
Slim Cognito wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 1:46 pm Wouldn't it have been simpler to just incinerate the ballots?

Oh wait.
:rotflmao:

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 1:54 pm
by LM K
Link for video of today's senate meeting. Meeting starts at 1:00 MST.

https://www.azleg.gov/liveproceedings/

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 2:20 pm
by roadscholar
Slim Cognito wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 1:46 pm Wouldn't it have been simpler to just incinerate the ballots?

Oh wait.
Exactly. Bamboo doesn't burn well. ;)

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 2:46 pm
by Chilidog
LM K wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 1:54 pm Link for video of today's senate meeting. Meeting starts at 1:00 MST.

https://www.azleg.gov/liveproceedings/
Which is about an hour from now.

3:00 pm central time

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 2:55 pm
by fierceredpanda
Chilidog wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 2:46 pm
LM K wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 1:54 pm Link for video of today's senate meeting. Meeting starts at 1:00 MST.

https://www.azleg.gov/liveproceedings/
Which is about an hour from now.

3:00 pm central time
1 MST is 2 CST.

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 3:12 pm
by PaulG
1 MST is 3 CDT. We're on CDT. (Why are they MST? Do they hate the west coast so much they have to be in their own time zone?)

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 3:14 pm
by fierceredpanda
PaulG wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 3:12 pm 1 MST is 3 CDT. We're on CDT. (Why are they MST? Do they hate the west coast so much they have to be in their own time zone?)
:bag: :bag: :bag:

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 3:23 pm
by Chilidog
PaulG wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 3:12 pm 1 MST is 3 CDT. We're on CDT. (Why are they MST? Do they hate the west coast so much they have to be in their own time zone?)
Yes. Or maybe it has something to do with MLK day...

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 4:01 pm
by Chilidog
Chilidog wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 2:46 pm
LM K wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 1:54 pm Link for video of today's senate meeting. Meeting starts at 1:00 MST.

https://www.azleg.gov/liveproceedings/
Which is about an hour from now.

3:00 pm central time
Nothing yet

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 4:02 pm
by fierceredpanda
It's on now. Karen Fann is doubling down, insisting that the audit is just about ensuring election integrity, and whinging about the Board of Supervisors not wanting to attend.

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 4:03 pm
by Chilidog
That links nor working for me

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 4:05 pm
by fierceredpanda

Re: #AZAudit Maricopa Arizona Election Audit - #CyberNinjas / Jovan Hutton Pulitzer / Karen Fann / Birther Ken Bennett

Posted: Tue May 18, 2021 4:07 pm
by Chilidog
Nope

"This service is unavailable"