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A lawyer told a jury Monday that Donald Trump should be held accountable for sexually attacking an advice columnist in 1996 because even a former president is not above the law.

Attorney Roberta Kaplan delivered the first closing argument in the federal civil trial, showing jurors video clips of Trump from his October deposition and replaying the “Access Hollywood” video from 2005 in which Trump said into a hot mic that celebrities can grab women’s genitals without asking.

Closing arguments were expected to last all day in the case as the jurors in Manhattan hear final remarks from attorneys about the claims writer E. Jean Carroll brought against Trump.

Kaplan recalled Trump’s comment that “stars like him can get away with sexually assaulting women.”

“That’s who Donald Trump is. That is how he thinks. And that’s what he does,” Kaplan said. “He thinks he can get away with it here.”

Tacopina: Ms. Carroll never intended to sue until Mr Conway told her to seriously think of suing Donald Trump. First she told me, & you, no. But from her deposition, she said "Wherever I went, people said, Are you going to see him," I said no. Then George said...
Tacopina: Here is the scheming email [schemail?], about Nambia. I asked Ms. Carroll about this. She said she had no idea what it was about. But she remembers from 27 years ago revolving doors and hats. She says scheme means plan. No it doesn't.
Tacopina: Let's try using that in a sentence. Let's scheme to go get pizza. Let's scheme to go to the Yankee game. It doesn't work. OK. That's doesn't make sense.
Tacopina: Then when Ms. Martin knows they'll be subpoened she write, no more texts and chats until further notice. That's Cripp [cryp?] talk. That's not how people who have nothing to say talk. Now something lethal to them - a message, trying to thread the needle.
Tacopina: Carol Martin to her friend, about E. Jean Carroll: it's gone to another level, she's going to sue T, WTF, I can't relate to it.
[Pause]
Tacopina: That's it: game, set and match.
Tacopina: Ms Carroll made this up, from an episode of Law & Order. She brought Ms. Birnbach and Ms. Martin along. They got in too deep and couldn't get out. Folks, I'm coming to an end. Let me show you a chart, a timeline. Donald Trump is elected- then this story
Tacopina: Ms. Carroll goes on her trip, writes her book... Mid July 2019, George Conway suggests litigation--
Carroll's counsel: Objection!
Judge Kaplan: Sustained. The jury will disregard the sentence about Mr. Conway.
Tacopina: I only said-
Judge: I've ruled
Carroll's counsel: Take down the slide.
Tacopina: We've removed it.
Judge Kaplan: I want to see what was removed.
[Now slide back up, jumping to November 2019 lawsuit
Tacopina: Then Ms. Martin's message about WTF, then about getting together before her deposition
Tacopina: Let's go back to the beginning, 2012 Law and Order episode
Carroll's counsel: Objection!
Judge Kaplan: Sustained.
Tacopina: That's her testimony.
Judge Kaplan: That's your version.
Tacopina: I -
Judge Kaplan: One more word.
Tacopina: OK. No evidence
Tacopina: The political hatred, it was clear here. Rape WTF. Never referred to Donald Trump as a rapist --
Carroll's counsel: Objection!
Judge Kaplan: Sustained.
Tacopina: I'm sitting down. They have the burden and they can't carry it. Facts are stubborn things
Tacopina: E. Jean Carroll was not raped at Bergdorf Goodman. And we know reality from fiction. She is asking you to condemn another citizen as a rapist, the worst thing you could ever be called, on evidence that couldn't stand up in any credible fact investigation
Tacopina: This is an absolutely outrageous case. She had a political reason, she desired status & sucked her friends in. What about the rule of law? It's everything for us. On the facts, this is your courtroom. Just you. Not some journalist who comes in for a day
Carroll's lawyer: Objection!
Judge Kaplan: Basis?
Carroll's lawyer: Talking about journalists, not in evidence
Tacopina: I'm summing up. Have the courage to do what's right here. Thank you.
Judge Kaplan: Jurors, we'll take 20 minutes.
[To lawyers: "Remain"]

SuzieC wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 6:08 pm What was the bit about George Conway? Did Taco put forward an evidence-free theory that he persuaded Carroll to sue? And did the judge block it? So Taco brought it up anyway in closing. That is a major no-no that should lead to his sanctioning, like all other Trump lawyers.

Phoenix520 wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 7:00 pm Yeah. But the other is true also. He needs glasses to read but won’t because … weak?

orlylicious wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:01 pm Lots of new materials were released, including the full 48-minute depo of the twice-impeached, one-term loser on trial for rape. Can't stand watching this creep, but in this case he's not in control so there's that.

neonzx wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 9:00 pm

orlylicious wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:01 pm Lots of new materials were released, including the full 48-minute depo of the twice-impeached, one-term loser on trial for rape. Can't stand watching this creep, but in this case he's not in control so there's that.

Thank you for posting that! I had to watch it in 3 sittings but got through it.
What a creepshow.

Jose Pagliery @Jose_Pagliery wrote: Let me take this moment to remind everyone that one of the jurors on the Trump rape case is a Tim Pool podcast listener.

Michael Edison Hayden @MichaelEHayden wrote: New: Mauricio Garcia's social media trail touched neo-Nazi content and misogynist incel filth.

But he also referenced Tim Pool, VDARE, Libs of Tik Tok and Nick Fuentes. A Trump-era cluster of hate:

@hannahgais, me, Rachel Janik and @MeganSquire0:
https://splcenter.org/hatewatch/2023/05 ... ent-online

The verdict sheet in Carroll v. Trump is four pages long.

This first page illustrates the various theories under which a jury can find the former president liable of battery under New York's Adult Survivors Act.

Doc: https://documentcloud.org/documents/238 ... form-final