Russia's foreign ministry called on European Union and NATO countries on Saturday to "stop pumping weapons" to Ukraine, the Russian RIA news agency said.
It said Moscow was particularly worried that portable anti-aerial Stinger missiles could end up in the hands of terrorists, posing a threat to airlines.
Tell that to the people on
Malaysia Airlines Flight 17
the airliner was downed by a Buk surface-to-air missile launched from pro-Russian separatist-controlled territory in Ukraine.[6][7] According to the JIT, the Buk that was used originated from the 53rd Anti-Aircraft Missile Brigade of the Russian Federation[8][9] and had been transported from Russia on the day of the crash, fired from a field in a rebel-controlled area and the launch system returned to Russia afterwards.
Re: Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 4:56 am
by Volkonski
Re: Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 8:13 am
by RVInit
Re: Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 8:27 am
by RVInit
Re: Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 8:33 am
by bill_g
RVInit wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 8:13 am
https: //twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1500301348780199937
Interesting unroll. Russia wasn't ready for the current outcome because they didn't want to hear it. And now their economy may evaporate by June leaving them unable to sustain the effort.
That is just too much a Mad Max outcome for me. I can only imagine the chaos that will emanate from Russia after that.
Re: Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 8:37 am
by New Turtle
Another thing someone mentioned in the replies is the Russians want to occupy the nuclear power plants so they can fly their bombers in over them. Apparently it gives them some cover against anti-aircraft defense.
That rings true, but I would imagine there is a LOT of the FSB trying to let people know that this is NOT THEIR FAULT in that. There is just a little too much "People didnt ask us/ if we had been asked/not our intelligence" in there. So they are maneuvering for the post war regime and getting ahead of the people who will be trying to blame everyone but themselves for this mess. So the FSB are blaming everyone but themselves for this mess while giving decent intel for credibility.
Re: Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 8:55 am
by bill_g
New Turtle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 8:37 am
Another thing someone mentioned in the replies is the Russians want to occupy the nuclear power plants so they can fly their bombers in over them. Apparently it gives them some cover against anti-aircraft defense.
That someone needs to review their physics class notes. Aircraft are moving at several hundred knots. They wouldn't dwell over a ground point long enough to gain any safety. Plus airplanes fall laterally, not straight down. That pesky inertia thing prevents it.
There's a twitter video around here someplace demonstrating the effect. Missle shoots, aircraft becomes a fireball, and the fireball continues along the same path with an arc into the Earth where it makes a big flaming splat.
Re: Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 9:05 am
by bill_g
A convenient Russian aircraft identification chart. Save and refer to as necessary.
Notably, however. it doesn't really state anything that we don't already know or suspect.
I agree with the commentary that the prospect of global famine seems a bit extreme. And I seriously doubt that the army has lost contact with any command groups. Individual units on a squad level, maybe, but not the larger operational units.
New Turtle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 8:37 am
Another thing someone mentioned in the replies is the Russians want to occupy the nuclear power plants so they can fly their bombers in over them. Apparently it gives them some cover against anti-aircraft defense.
That someone needs to review their physics class notes. Aircraft are moving at several hundred knots. They wouldn't dwell over a ground point long enough to gain any safety. Plus airplanes fall laterally, not straight down. That pesky inertia thing prevents it.
There's a twitter video around here someplace demonstrating the effect. Missle shoots, aircraft becomes a fireball, and the fireball continues along the same path with an arc into the Earth where it makes a big flaming splat.
As illustrated by the rocket attack on the helicopter that was posted around yesterday.
New Turtle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 8:37 am
Another thing someone mentioned in the replies is the Russians want to occupy the nuclear power plants so they can fly their bombers in over them. Apparently it gives them some cover against anti-aircraft defense.
That someone needs to review their physics class notes. Aircraft are moving at several hundred knots. They wouldn't dwell over a ground point long enough to gain any safety. Plus airplanes fall laterally, not straight down. That pesky inertia thing prevents it.
There's a twitter video around here someplace demonstrating the effect. Missle shoots, aircraft becomes a fireball, and the fireball continues along the same path with an arc into the Earth where it makes a big flaming splat.
As illustrated by the rocket attack on the helicopter that was posted around yesterday.
Very interesting, and tracks withh some of what was being said in the Russia Invades Ukraine thread about why Putin didn't seem to know how bad of shape the Army was in.
Re: Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 5:18 pm
by Volkonski
Re: Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 5:34 pm
by MN-Skeptic
Volkonski wrote: ↑Sun Mar 06, 2022 5:18 pm
“And our phones are about to turn into pumpkins.”
I was just chatting with my neighbor who has a 16 year old son. His son was procrastinating on his homework and his grades were slipping so my neighbor took away his phone. When I was growing up, not being able to watch TV was the standard punishment. But losing phone access? That's a MUCH higher level of punishment! It's your connection to the world.
Re: Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 7:08 pm
by MN-Skeptic
An interesting long thread explaining the current mindset of many Russians -
Re: Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 7:18 pm
by Kendra
Russian propaganda channels claim this NATO laptop, loaded with recent data on pro-Russian forces, was found in a Ukrainian far right group's HQ.
The laptop is a 14-year-old Lenovo R500 with 250MB of RAM. It came with Windows Vista. I wonder if it even turns on.
Re: Russia
Posted: Sun Mar 06, 2022 7:50 pm
by Kendra
It really pains me to give a h/t to Fox, but that's where I found mention of this song.
Re: Russia
Posted: Mon Mar 07, 2022 11:38 am
by raison de arizona
Wow, this looks awfully familiar.
Rick Wilson @TheRickWilson wrote:
The convergence between Trump grassroots and Putin grassroots propaganda is nearly complete
RT @RT_com wrote:
Russia state-affiliated media
Russian drivers join car rally in support of Ukraine military op
Way down South where bananas grow,
A grasshopper stepped on an elephant's toe.
The elephant said, with tears in his eyes,
"Pick on somebody your own size."
Although I guess right now their economies are about the same size, right?
Way down South where bananas grow,
A grasshopper stepped on an elephant's toe.
The elephant said, with tears in his eyes,
"Pick on somebody your own size."
Although I guess right now their economies are about the same size, right?
Thanks for the ear-worm…
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Way down south where the grass grows green / The cat got caught in the sewing machine / the sewing machine was going so slow / forty-nine stitches in the poor cat’s toe
Re: Russia
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2022 2:16 pm
by raison de arizona
moar propaganda
Venezuela says those behind NATO expansion should de-escalate Ukraine crisis President Nicolas Maduro insists that Moscow’s conflict with Kiev was ‘provoked’ by the West
Venezuelan President Nicolas Maduro accused the West of provoking Russia’s conflict with Ukraine on Monday, after senior US officials met with his government over the weekend.
In a speech, Maduro said that “those who provoked this conflict with decades of non-compliance with agreements, with decades of threats against Russia, with decades of preparing plans for the extension of NATO are the first ones who are responsible for de-escalating this conflict.”
Maduro called on those responsible to seek “a favorable scenario of negotiation and agreement” to end the conflict between Russia and Ukraine.
The president also said Venezuela was “seriously concerned about the possibility of a war in Europe and an extension to other regions of the world,” and criticized the “public media campaign of hate” and “economic measures that aim to aggravate conditions” and extend the conflict, rather than de-escalate the situation.
Maduro’s words came after senior US officials traveled to Venezuela over the weekend to meet with Maduro’s government in their highest-level visit since the US broke off diplomatic relations in 2019.
While the US refuses to identify Maduro as the legitimate leader of Venezuela, instead recognizing pro-US politician Juan Guaido as the ‘interim’ president, the New York Times reported that the Biden administration was looking to “separate Russia from its remaining international allies” amid Russia’s conflict with Ukraine.
Edit: Sorry about the edits. So, I am not communicating very well today. This is not a "Russia wide" poll, only a sampling of Moscow, which is one city, with young people who have access to internet. It does show at least a trend in that one "market" that could be at least a little bit encouraging. Would be nice if there could be a real poll to see if the general trend of how Russians are viewing this war could be accomplished, but when you have a government that is shutting off all access to information, don't know how that could be accomplished.
Way down south where the grass grows green / The cat got caught in the sewing machine / the sewing machine was going so slow / forty-nine stitches in the poor cat’s toe 