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pipistrelle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:08 am Rittenhouse killed and maimed, cried crocodile tears, and expressed no remorse.

neonzx wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:52 am

pipistrelle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:08 am

Baidn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:55 am It is quite frankly profoundly disgusting.

Rittenhouse killed and maimed, cried crocodile tears, and expressed no remorse.

Correct. And I still feel a bit for this young man. He was a kid and then the RW machine consumed him.
I can't fix it now. What he did was wrong.
He would have much more sympathy if he had owned up to it then.

neonzx wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:52 am

pipistrelle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:08 am

Baidn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:55 am It is quite frankly profoundly disgusting.

Rittenhouse killed and maimed, cried crocodile tears, and expressed no remorse.

Correct. And I still feel a bit for this young man. He was a kid and then the RW machine consumed him.
I can't fix it now. What he did was wrong.
He would have much more sympathy if he had owned up to it then.

RVInit wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:00 pm And some will troll forums to keep spewing the same crap that said forum has already rejected.

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:05 pm

RVInit wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:00 pm And some will troll forums to keep spewing the same crap that said forum has already rejected.

I don't think Anders is a troll. He brings facts and information to the forum that I don't see elsewhere, and I appreciate that. I disagree with his opinion, and it is pointless to argue it with him at this point. But I appreciate the tidbits of info he brings, and I believe the forum is richer not only for those, but also for having a differing viewpoints that are civilly expressed. It can be frustrating, but who wants an echo chamber all the time?

RVInit wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:28 pm

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:05 pm

RVInit wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:00 pm And some will troll forums to keep spewing the same crap that said forum has already rejected.

I don't think Anders is a troll. He brings facts and information to the forum that I don't see elsewhere, and I appreciate that. I disagree with his opinion, and it is pointless to argue it with him at this point. But I appreciate the tidbits of info he brings, and I believe the forum is richer not only for those, but also for having a differing viewpoints that are civilly expressed. It can be frustrating, but who wants an echo chamber all the time?

I haven't read his posts beyond the original posting he used to write after the trial. Maybe he is bringing new information now, but he was doing nothing but trolling back in the day. And much of what he offered was flat out BS. Could be he's changed, but I'm not wasting my time on his posts.

andersweinstein wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:14 pm Possibly of interest: Then Rittenhouse family advisor David Hancock tweeted recollections about prepping KR for testimony. [Wrapped in a spoiler simply because of its length.]

► Show Spoiler

Kyle is trainable. Getting the script takes him a while, but he is trainable. This story might explain why @thisiskyler sounded like a robot during today's interview with @piersmorgan

In the beginning, we were all very nervous about Kyle testifying. During the first session, to prepare Kyle for cross-examination, Corey asked Kyle about the purpose of putting people on the roof of Carsource.

Kyle's reply shocked all of us who were in the room.

Kyle stated, "We put SNIPERS on the roof so they could shoot down to stop any threats."

WHAT? WHOAAAA? We all looked at each other in disbelief that he would ACTUALLY say that out loud.

At that moment, everyone knew prepping Kyle for cross-examination would take serious work. Over the following several months, Kyle participated in hours upon hours of preparation for his potential cross-examination. The script was pounded into him day in and day out. He never seemed to get it and oftentimes went rogue with an answer that had the potential to send his defense strategy off the rails. At the time, there wasn't enough money to afford the full breadth of the jury consultant's services, specifically the MUCH NEEDED mock trials. I told Mark that it was vital that Kyle had every available asset, especially the mock trials. I took out a personal loan and paid the first installment myself. I hoped we could raise enough to pay the balance once the trial had begun. We did.

So you see, his robotic comments and commitment to the strategic narrative result from the hundreds of hours of preparation and research that went into preparing Kyle for his cross-examination, which itself cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Still, I can tell you that everyone in the courthouse who knew better was extremely nervous when the day came for Kyle to take the oath. We weren't sure whether he would go rogue yet again.

I know what it took to train Kyle for his day on the stand. I know Kyle's actual state of mind that evening in Kenosha. This is one of the primary reasons I pushed Kyle so hard to keep his head down and go to school. I'm not saying that he wasn't attacked. I'm not saying he didn't defend himself if you take the events in isolation. I am saying that Kyle lacks even the most basic form of self-awareness which prevents him from reflecting honestly on his role in the entire incident.

I believed that he needed time to process the events that had just occurred and reflect on the reality that they wouldn't have happened without a string of bad decisions he made in the months leading up to the incident in Kenosha. Kyle appears to have forgotten that he put himself in that position, and his own words support the conclusion that he didn't do it for the sole purpose of providing medical care.

Publishing that book was a dangerous and stupid thing to do at this point, given the upcoming civil proceedings. If there is a legal strategy to place all the blame on others, attack those who supported you the most, and complain about your childhood as if it absolves you of any responsibility, then I clearly don't see it.

We shall see. The run-up to the civil proceedings next year will be interesting, to say the least.

Source: https://x.com/DaveHan06/status/1730015247212364234

Rittenhouse may be disappointed because according to figures from Amazon, the work is sitting at #9,569 in the Kindle Store sector as of Tuesday. It also ranks 510 in Nonfiction in the Kindle store.

Volkonski wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 1:30 pm Kyle Rittenhouse's New Book Bombs on Kindle

Kyle Rittenhouse, who shot and killed two people and wounded a third during a protest in Kenosha, Wis., in 2020, announced Thursday plans to release a video game, with proceeds going toward funding defamation lawsuits against the media. In the game, players control Rittenhouse, who, equipped with a cartoonish orange gun, shoots turkeys labeled “fake news” and “MSDNC.”

“The media is nothing but a bunch of turkeys with nothing better to do than to push their lying agenda and destroy innocent people’s lives,” Rittenhouse says in a trailer for the game.

The game, “Kyle Rittenhouse’s Turkey Shoot,” is not currently available. On its website, users can preorder the title for $9.99. The site does not say when the game will be released, though it notes that the game will “aid Kyle’s legal defense against the fake news.”

Ben-Prime wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2023 7:17 pm But this is the point I have been trying to make and to which I think you have been either non-receptive or willfully blind: His original pre-coaching testimony would have showed a state of mind that he wasn't thinking of himself as a combat zone *medic* at all, but as a full combat participant, and the medic story was meant to soften the edges.

When a kid is willing to blurt out his true reaction on the stand and it includes having snipers on the roof, most reasonable people would not associate this with the state of mind of someone engaging in defensive, supportive, operations involving combat zone medical first response. By making it clear what was in his head, Kyle would have with lack of coaching to polish up his act revealed his unvarnished thoughts which showed a more lethal combat oriented intent. It is only the coaching which kept that state-of-mind evidence from the jury.

Estiveo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:01 pm He wouldn't last a week in basic.

Rolodex wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:56 pm

Estiveo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:01 pm He wouldn't last a week in basic.

But how wonderful to watch him wash out.

Estiveo wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 3:01 pm He wouldn't last a week in basic.

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:32 pm

RVInit wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:28 pm

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:05 pm

I don't think Anders is a troll. He brings facts and information to the forum that I don't see elsewhere, and I appreciate that. I disagree with his opinion, and it is pointless to argue it with him at this point. But I appreciate the tidbits of info he brings, and I believe the forum is richer not only for those, but also for having a differing viewpoints that are civilly expressed. It can be frustrating, but who wants an echo chamber all the time?

I haven't read his posts beyond the original posting he used to write after the trial. Maybe he is bringing new information now, but he was doing nothing but trolling back in the day. And much of what he offered was flat out BS. Could be he's changed, but I'm not wasting my time on his posts.

I'm referring to posts such as this one from a few days ago:

andersweinstein wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:14 pm Possibly of interest: Then Rittenhouse family advisor David Hancock tweeted recollections about prepping KR for testimony. [Wrapped in a spoiler simply because of its length.]

► Show Spoiler

Kyle is trainable. Getting the script takes him a while, but he is trainable. This story might explain why @thisiskyler sounded like a robot during today's interview with @piersmorgan

In the beginning, we were all very nervous about Kyle testifying. During the first session, to prepare Kyle for cross-examination, Corey asked Kyle about the purpose of putting people on the roof of Carsource.

Kyle's reply shocked all of us who were in the room.

Kyle stated, "We put SNIPERS on the roof so they could shoot down to stop any threats."

WHAT? WHOAAAA? We all looked at each other in disbelief that he would ACTUALLY say that out loud.

At that moment, everyone knew prepping Kyle for cross-examination would take serious work. Over the following several months, Kyle participated in hours upon hours of preparation for his potential cross-examination. The script was pounded into him day in and day out. He never seemed to get it and oftentimes went rogue with an answer that had the potential to send his defense strategy off the rails. At the time, there wasn't enough money to afford the full breadth of the jury consultant's services, specifically the MUCH NEEDED mock trials. I told Mark that it was vital that Kyle had every available asset, especially the mock trials. I took out a personal loan and paid the first installment myself. I hoped we could raise enough to pay the balance once the trial had begun. We did.

So you see, his robotic comments and commitment to the strategic narrative result from the hundreds of hours of preparation and research that went into preparing Kyle for his cross-examination, which itself cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Still, I can tell you that everyone in the courthouse who knew better was extremely nervous when the day came for Kyle to take the oath. We weren't sure whether he would go rogue yet again.

I know what it took to train Kyle for his day on the stand. I know Kyle's actual state of mind that evening in Kenosha. This is one of the primary reasons I pushed Kyle so hard to keep his head down and go to school. I'm not saying that he wasn't attacked. I'm not saying he didn't defend himself if you take the events in isolation. I am saying that Kyle lacks even the most basic form of self-awareness which prevents him from reflecting honestly on his role in the entire incident.

I believed that he needed time to process the events that had just occurred and reflect on the reality that they wouldn't have happened without a string of bad decisions he made in the months leading up to the incident in Kenosha. Kyle appears to have forgotten that he put himself in that position, and his own words support the conclusion that he didn't do it for the sole purpose of providing medical care.

Publishing that book was a dangerous and stupid thing to do at this point, given the upcoming civil proceedings. If there is a legal strategy to place all the blame on others, attack those who supported you the most, and complain about your childhood as if it absolves you of any responsibility, then I clearly don't see it.

We shall see. The run-up to the civil proceedings next year will be interesting, to say the least.

Source: https://x.com/DaveHan06/status/1730015247212364234

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:32 pm

RVInit wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 12:28 pm
I haven't read his posts beyond the original posting he used to write after the trial. Maybe he is bringing new information now, but he was doing nothing but trolling back in the day. And much of what he offered was flat out BS. Could be he's changed, but I'm not wasting my time on his posts.

I'm referring to posts such as this one from a few days ago:

andersweinstein wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2023 3:14 pm Possibly of interest: Then Rittenhouse family advisor David Hancock tweeted recollections about prepping KR for testimony. [Wrapped in a spoiler simply because of its length.]

► Show Spoiler

Kyle is trainable. Getting the script takes him a while, but he is trainable. This story might explain why @thisiskyler sounded like a robot during today's interview with @piersmorgan

In the beginning, we were all very nervous about Kyle testifying. During the first session, to prepare Kyle for cross-examination, Corey asked Kyle about the purpose of putting people on the roof of Carsource.

Kyle's reply shocked all of us who were in the room.

Kyle stated, "We put SNIPERS on the roof so they could shoot down to stop any threats."

WHAT? WHOAAAA? We all looked at each other in disbelief that he would ACTUALLY say that out loud.

At that moment, everyone knew prepping Kyle for cross-examination would take serious work. Over the following several months, Kyle participated in hours upon hours of preparation for his potential cross-examination. The script was pounded into him day in and day out. He never seemed to get it and oftentimes went rogue with an answer that had the potential to send his defense strategy off the rails. At the time, there wasn't enough money to afford the full breadth of the jury consultant's services, specifically the MUCH NEEDED mock trials. I told Mark that it was vital that Kyle had every available asset, especially the mock trials. I took out a personal loan and paid the first installment myself. I hoped we could raise enough to pay the balance once the trial had begun. We did.

So you see, his robotic comments and commitment to the strategic narrative result from the hundreds of hours of preparation and research that went into preparing Kyle for his cross-examination, which itself cost hundreds of thousands of dollars. Still, I can tell you that everyone in the courthouse who knew better was extremely nervous when the day came for Kyle to take the oath. We weren't sure whether he would go rogue yet again.

I know what it took to train Kyle for his day on the stand. I know Kyle's actual state of mind that evening in Kenosha. This is one of the primary reasons I pushed Kyle so hard to keep his head down and go to school. I'm not saying that he wasn't attacked. I'm not saying he didn't defend himself if you take the events in isolation. I am saying that Kyle lacks even the most basic form of self-awareness which prevents him from reflecting honestly on his role in the entire incident.

I believed that he needed time to process the events that had just occurred and reflect on the reality that they wouldn't have happened without a string of bad decisions he made in the months leading up to the incident in Kenosha. Kyle appears to have forgotten that he put himself in that position, and his own words support the conclusion that he didn't do it for the sole purpose of providing medical care.

Publishing that book was a dangerous and stupid thing to do at this point, given the upcoming civil proceedings. If there is a legal strategy to place all the blame on others, attack those who supported you the most, and complain about your childhood as if it absolves you of any responsibility, then I clearly don't see it.

We shall see. The run-up to the civil proceedings next year will be interesting, to say the least.

Source: https://x.com/DaveHan06/status/1730015247212364234

RVInit wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 5:58 pm So he comes on here to post something that clearly shows Kyle's actual state of mind of being among a group of snipers and then continues to argue Kyle's innocence. OK, I get why you are saying that this one time he actually posted something of interest. But I don't particularly think it was done in good faith, given he knew how we would react and used it as just one more opportunity to spout nonsense.

neonzx wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 11:52 am

pipistrelle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 8:08 am

Baidn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2023 7:55 am It is quite frankly profoundly disgusting.

Rittenhouse killed and maimed, cried crocodile tears, and expressed no remorse.

Correct. And I still feel a bit for this young man. He was a kid and then the RW machine consumed him.
I can't fix it now. What he did was wrong.
He would have much more sympathy if he had owned up to it then.

Baidn wrote: ↑Thu Dec 07, 2023 7:08 am I was fully willing to give him the benefit of the doubt initially. I said here and other places that if he was being honest about trying to just move on with his life he should be allowed to, even that if he was feeling genuine remorse learning and moving on that's the best that could be hoped for. Unfortunately he did the opposite of that, he became another Zimmerman. No one can see directly into the mind of another and it doesn't really even matter at this point since nothing will undo what he did and the system found him innocent HOWEVER his actions since make any defense of him unwarranted. Whatever his feelings at the moment were his goals now are to capitalize on the pain and deaths of others and work to encourage further violence. Any defense of Rittenhouse that does not address this fact is not made in good faith.

andersweinstein wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:10 am I've never defended Rittenhouse in that sense. My thesis is only that he had a good self-defense case.

pipistrelle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 08, 2023 11:47 am I agree with Maybenaut. Jury nullification. Everyone’s a wannabe Rambo.