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I think from now on we should say "The Crips and the [Proud] Boys" when talking about gangs.pipistrelle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 11, 2022 11:39 am Proud Boys are a national street gang endorsed by a certain party.
...or another mass shooting of school children.humblescribe wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:10 pm I wouldn't get my hope up. November is five months away. People forget, and Abbott will be sure to pull a few rabbits out of his hat between now and then.
Now, if there is a significant power outage from ERCOT in September . . . .
Or if there is another rural texas school shootinghumblescribe wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:10 pm I wouldn't get my hope up. November is five months away. People forget, and Abbott will be sure to pull a few rabbits out of his hat between now and then.
Now, if there is a significant power outage from ERCOT in September . . . .
I doubt that will change their view. It will just reinforce their existing ones. Taller fences. Less doors. More guns, why weren't ALL the teachers armed? Issue side arms in place of restroom passes. They aren't going to suddenly decide that mebbe Beto is right.Phoenix520 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:38 pm Or until a school one of their kids goes to has an incident.
Mechanized automatic CIWS in the hallways. Put one of these bad boys at every intersection of hallways and all stair wells.raison de arizona wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:40 pmI doubt that will change their view. It will just reinforce their existing ones. Taller fences. Less doors. More guns, why weren't ALL the teachers armed? Issue side arms in place of restroom passes. They aren't going to suddenly decide that mebbe Beto is right.Phoenix520 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:38 pm Or until a school one of their kids goes to has an incident.
Moving the dial for a few politicians is much harder than moving the dial for thousands of ordinary people who vote. We're already moving the dial, albeit not nearly far or fast enough. Gun laws are appealing to one-issue voters more and more, and (based on polls and surveys) we outnumber the arm everyone gun nutsraison de arizona wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:34 pm You all have a lot more faith than do I. If nineteen dead ten year olds don't move the dial, what are another group of dead children going to do? For that matter, if the twenty dead six year olds in Sandy Hook didn't move the dial, what do you think another group is going to do? Not much. There are a lot of people who believe in the Abbott/Paxton approach to gun violence, and any number of dead children are not going to change their minds.
Well, I was trying to avoid a disaster of that magnitude and tragedy. But, yeah, Sugar.sugar magnolia wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:19 pm...or another mass shooting of school children.humblescribe wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:10 pm I wouldn't get my hope up. November is five months away. People forget, and Abbott will be sure to pull a few rabbits out of his hat between now and then.
Now, if there is a significant power outage from ERCOT in September . . . .
Well, consider if it happened at a football game maybe?raison de arizona wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:34 pm You all have a lot more faith than do I. If nineteen dead ten year olds don't move the dial, what are another group of dead children going to do?
Crowd should have been armed. Only thing that could have stopped it. Do away with gun free zones.keith wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 2:20 amWell, consider if it happened at a football game maybe?raison de arizona wrote: ↑Thu Jun 16, 2022 4:34 pm You all have a lot more faith than do I. If nineteen dead ten year olds don't move the dial, what are another group of dead children going to do?
I don't. They are true believers, more gunz is always the answer to any shooting. Hardening of so-called targets, more good guys carrying, less gun free zones. Always. "If only someone had been able to take the shooter out..." Not, "If only the shooter had not had a gun."Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:15 amBUT, he survived and minimized what happened which trauma victims do. I think if it happened to one of his family members he might view it differently.
\raison de arizona wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 12:14 pmI don't. They are true believers, more gunz is always the answer to any shooting. Hardening of so-called targets, more good guys carrying, less gun free zones. Always. "If only someone had been able to take the shooter out..." Not, "If only the shooter had not had a gun."Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 11:15 amBUT, he survived and minimized what happened which trauma victims do. I think if it happened to one of his family members he might view it differently.
Well, in all honesty I really hope and pray that you are right and at least enough of them come to their senses enough to realize that we are the civilized country in the world with this problem to turn the tide. But I don't hold out hope. An example of what we are up against.
We still can, who said it has to be about guns? He's a Republican, they're known for grabbing something else....Phoenix520 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 17, 2022 4:33 pm It’s too bad Abbott’s not one of them gun-grabbing’ liberals the right is so askeered of. If he was we could call him GWAbbott.
Texas Republicans are pushing for a referendum to decide whether the state should secede from the U.S.
The demand for Texans to be allowed to vote on the issue in 2023 was one of many measures adopted in the Texas GOP's party platform following last week's state convention in Houston.
Under a section titled "State Sovereignty," the platform states: "Pursuant to Article 1, Section 1, of the Texas Constitution, the federal government has impaired our right of local self-government. Therefore, federally mandated legislation that infringes upon the 10th Amendment rights of Texas should be ignored, opposed, refused, and nullified.
"Texas retains the right to secede from the United States, and the Texas Legislature should be called upon to pass a referendum consistent thereto."