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MERRIAM WEBSTER
SINCE 1828


spontaneous abortion noun

Medical Definition of spontaneous abortion
: naturally occurring expulsion of a nonviable fetus

Suranis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:10 am I thought no what Hobbs said is increday stupid. It's like saying you should ban legitimate arsenic treatment because arsenic is sometimes used to kill people.

I know you are reflexedly going to the opposition to the lunatic, but the lunatic is right. Conflating a misscarraiges with abortions WILL get women killed, as the regulations for one will start affecting the other.

Hell Huminae Vitae said that you could use contraception to treat medical issues, as long as the intention was not birth control.

Hobbs statement is typical of the pig ignorant crap I have seen in the last few months. No a miscarriage is not an abortion, despite unscientific people trying to make them the same to create falsemoral dillemas

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:42 pm A miscarriage IS an abortion. SCIENTIFICALLY/MEDICALLY it is a spontaneous abortion. A therapeutic abortion is an elective abortion. I've got 30 years experience creating these medical records.

MERRIAM WEBSTER
SINCE 1828


spontaneous abortion noun

Medical Definition of spontaneous abortion
: naturally occurring expulsion of a nonviable fetus

https://www.merriam-webster.com/medical ... 20abortion

Abortion is the termination of a pregnancy by removal or expulsion of an embryo or fetus.[nb 1] An abortion that occurs without intervention is known as a miscarriage or "spontaneous abortion"; these occur in approximately 30% to 40% of pregnancies.[2][3] When deliberate steps are taken to end a pregnancy, it is called an induced abortion, or less frequently "induced miscarriage". The unmodified word abortion generally refers to an induced abortion

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:49 pm The measures Lake supports would criminalize a D&C in Hobbs' situation in AZ.

Suranis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:03 pm

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 12:49 pm The measures Lake supports would criminalize a D&C in Hobbs' situation in AZ.

How?

That's is a flat statement that demands proof.

Or is it just because "Mwah a miscarriage is an abortion therefore banning abortion will make miscarriage illeeeegal therefore treating miscarriage will be illeeegal because mwah putrid ponies and moonbeams mwah." Because quite frankly I think that's the actual reason.

13-3603. Definition; punishment

A person who provides, supplies or administers to a pregnant woman, or procures such woman to take any medicine, drugs or substance, or uses or employs any instrument or other means whatever, with intent thereby to procure the miscarriage of such woman, unless it is necessary to save her life, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not less than two years nor more than five years.

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:02 pm I posted the fucking definition per Merriam Webster but I'm wrong?

You know damn well you're trying to redefine a word because its actual meaning doesn't fit your narrative. So just eff off.

Kari Lake @KariLake wrote: BREAKING

Katie Hobbs hoped no one would find this out…

She wants to purge the Pledge, Anthem & Constitution from our schools

Let’s purge @katiehobbs from Arizona Politics on November 8th.

SHARE & RT!

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 1:23 pm

13-3603. Definition; punishment

A person who provides, supplies or administers to a pregnant woman, or procures such woman to take any medicine, drugs or substance, or uses or employs any instrument or other means whatever, with intent thereby to procure the miscarriage of such woman, unless it is necessary to save her life, shall be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not less than two years nor more than five years.

https://www.azleg.gov/ars/13/03603.htm

Eh, you're nasty about it, but you have an actual point I will acknowledge. The problem here is that clinics and doctors believe this statute to be not clear enough in a situation such as Hobbs', and as such are declining to provide D&C services and sending them to CA or NM. I don't want to get totally into the weeds here other than to say that if the law is not clear enough that doctors feel comfortable with providing services in a situation such as Hobbs' without fearing prison, which they don't, then the law needs to be clearer. I.e., does one have to wait until the mother is truly in a life threatening emergency before providing services, or is the fact that she will EVENTUALLY be enough? Doctors here are taking the former position, since their freedom from criminal prosecution rides on it.

As far as Lake, she has repeatedly called abortion "the ultimate sin" and stated that she will enforce a ban on all. Dunno. But that's about all I have to say about that!

Suranis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 11:10 am I thought no what Hobbs said is increday stupid. It's like saying you should ban legitimate arsenic treatment because arsenic is sometimes used to kill people.

I know you are reflexedly going to the opposition to the lunatic, but the lunatic is right. Conflating a misscarraiges with abortions WILL get women killed, as the regulations for one will start affecting the other.

Hell Huminae Vitae said that you could use contraception to treat medical issues, as long as the intention was not birth control.

Hobbs statement is typical of the pig ignorant crap I have seen in the last few months. No a miscarriage is not an abortion, despite unscientific people trying to make them the same to create falsemoral dillemas

realist wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 5:38 pm That said, it's disgusting to use a miscarriage as a political issue. By either one of them. Or anyone.

Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Tue Sep 20, 2022 8:24 pm FYI, if a doctor in, say, Texas gets sued over a D&C, the medical records/procedure report will be introduced at trial and the final diagnosis will not state "miscarriage." It will say "spontaneous abortion," and the doctor will lose. It matters not what the man on the street calls it.

Kari Lake’s claims against opponent Katie Hobbs proved false

Kari Lake, the Republican gubernatorial nominee, took to social media this week, baiting the promise of a political bombshell against Democrat opponent Katie Hobbs. Now, the bombshell is blowing up and sparking new questions.

Lake hurled accusations at Hobbs in a 3-minute video posted on Twitter on Tuesday afternoon. “In Hobbs’ Arizona, your kindergartner wouldn’t learn the Pledge of Allegiance,” said Lake. “As a legislator, Hobbs actually voted to block the Pledge of Allegiance, our national anthem, our Constitution, the Declaration of Independence and even the Mayflower Compact from being taught to the next generation of Americans right here in Arizona.”

To back up Lake’s shocking allegations, the video showed a bill that Hobbs voted against four years ago. However, the bombshell Lake promised was proved to be incorrect. “Voting against this bill would not be voting against the national anthem,” said Wes Gullett, former chief of staff to previous Arizona Republican governor Fife Symington.

Gullett points out the bill Lake refers to only covered adding the state motto, “Ditat Deus,” which means “God Enriches,” and the national motto of “In God We Trust.” It would not have purged anything from the approved list of materials that could be read and posted in Arizona classrooms. The claim has led to speculation, with some saying Lake doesn’t understand how laws are created. “That’s why we have campaigns because we see if people are qualified to be governor. Reading bills is a qualification of being governor. You have to know what a bills says, how a bill changes, how a bill becomes a law. Those are fundementals that Kari Lake doesn’t understand,” said Gullett.

On Wednesday, Lake doubled down on Twitter, referring to a pair of other bills she claims supports her accusation. However, those bills don’t refer to the Pledge of Allegiance or any founding document. In the video, Lake also claimed Hobbs supported sex education being taught to kindergartners. In the 2016 legislative session, Hobbs did sponsor legislation that would have required medically accurate and age-appropriate sex education in K-12 Arizona schools.

W. Kevin Vicklund wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 6:25 am This was two decades before RvW, and despite being a known issue, the laws were never changed or clarified. People were denied abortions of their miscarriages right into the 70s under these laws.

Foggy wrote: ↑Fri Sep 23, 2022 12:46 pm An excellent message for those who are mentally incapable of distinguishing between the Israeli government and Jews in general.

'Course, it's not so much aimed at people like me, I've known several Jews who didn't agree 100% with the actions of the Israeli government.

Katie Hobbs @katiehobbs wrote: The 1901 abortion law that Kari Lake supports makes police officers responsible for arresting doctors & nurses. Take it from Sheriff Nanos: that is a waste of resources. Law enforcement should be spending their time protecting our communities.

Carlos Matti @CarlosMatti wrote: Today's news includes a tutorial for @KariLake on how to read a bill. "What's proposed is what you see in upper case and blue." #AZGov