Mike Lindell's Election Shenanigans, FrankSpeech and #MyPillow #FAILS - 6/28/61 Cancer / Ox

[raison de arizona]

Found it finally. Haven’t read it yet.
https://frankspeech.com/article/first-p ... n-filed-az
https://frankspeech.com/sites/default/f ... nction.pdf

[RTH10260]

as an IANAL overseas visitor to TFB:
Will it go anywhere, the machines have been in use for years. It's not like preventing their first time use, seem to me that time has run out ages ago.
Then all those claims listed seem to me just the reguritation of the socalled "audit" claims, non of which materialized any failure.
Least but not last the vote counting machines were prescribed by law. The current generation of machines have been scrutinized and licensed as safe. When handled by non corrupt officials following the rulebook.



PS. how many "voting machines" did make a choice of Biden

[humblescribe]

Does anyone here truly believe that a hand count will be true and accurate?

There are so many issues with hand counting thousands of ballots from hundreds of locations. It would be so easy to lose ballots and disqualify otherwise valid ballots. Chains of custody could be easily breached. Will they hire one of the Final Four accounting firms to do the counting?

This is the easiest way to rig an election.

[p0rtia]

Breaking:

@KariLake announces she has filed an emergency injunction against @katiehobbs & the @maricopacounty Board of Supervisors to ban Dominion Voting machines for the 2022 election.

Then she retweeted this nonsensical post calling her the defendant.

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Way to poke the tiger.

[Shizzle Popped]

Yeah, elections were never rigged using paper ballots. LBJ's Senate win in 1948 was perfectly legitimate. Wink, wink.

[Chilidog]

Found it finally. Haven’t read it yet.
https://frankspeech.com/article/first-p ... n-filed-az
https://frankspeech.com/sites/default/f ... nction.pdf

Should this go into a new thread?

[RTH10260]

Does anyone here truly believe that a hand count will be true and accurate?

There are so many issues with hand counting thousands of ballots from hundreds of locations. It would be so easy to lose ballots and disqualify otherwise valid ballots. Chains of custody could be easily breached. Will they hire one of the Final Four accounting firms to do the counting?

This is the easiest way to rig an election.

From the expierience in my corner of the globe it's workable. Though we do not print huge forms containing everything to be voted / elected on. We use one paper slip per issue (possibly multiple slips on one sheet with perforation). After emptying the ballot box the slips get ordered by issue, slips often color coded to help. Same color have notches to detect misplaced issues. then suborder into Yes/No/other stacks or names in elections. Then manually count batches, they get crosscounted by a different person. Nowadays often banknote counting machines used for the tedious tasks. We usually get final results within four hours from municipality counting centers, then percolating to county and state level in another four hours. Elections for the legislative can take somewhat longer as we have a two tier count by party and candidate.

[Gregg]

How many times do you have to repeat unverified wishful thinking and debunked conspiracy theories before they count as evidence?

[p0rtia]

How many times do you have to repeat unverified wishful thinking and debunked conspiracy theories before they count as evidence?

Once. Depending on who's counting.

[Frater I*I]

How many times do you have to repeat unverified wishful thinking and debunked conspiracy theories before they count as evidence?

For as long as the grift flows....

[Ben-Prime]

How many times do you have to repeat unverified wishful thinking and debunked conspiracy theories before they count as evidence?

Once. Depending on who's counting.

It's like a little kid who having seen his or her first Star Wars film, keeps flicking that flashlight button in the hopes that once, just once, the beam will be solid. "Come on....COME ON!"

[Sam the Centipede]

Does anyone here truly believe that a hand count will be true and accurate?

There are so many issues with hand counting thousands of ballots from hundreds of locations. It would be so easy to lose ballots and disqualify otherwise valid ballots. Chains of custody could be easily breached. Will they hire one of the Final Four accounting firms to do the counting?

This is the easiest way to rig an election.

Plenty of countries use hand counted paper ballots and report results quickly and reliably, so all those issues have been solved.

I was in the UK when Tony Blair's government gained power in 1997. Hand-counted ballots all around the UK in 600+ constituencies, polls closed at 10 pm on Thursday, Tony Blair saw the Queen (to be formally appointed as Prime Minister) before lunch on Friday. I remember watching on television black limousines with motorcycle escorts slide through London traffic as the formalities were quickly executed.

A few counts were delayed slightly for either to geography (e.g. the remote areas of Scotland, especially the islands) of because multiple recounts were required due to small margins.

So your objection has no basis.

[pipistrelle]

Does anyone here truly believe that a hand count will be true and accurate?

There are so many issues with hand counting thousands of ballots from hundreds of locations. It would be so easy to lose ballots and disqualify otherwise valid ballots. Chains of custody could be easily breached. Will they hire one of the Final Four accounting firms to do the counting?

This is the easiest way to rig an election.

Plenty of countries use hand counted paper ballots and report results quickly and reliably, so all those issues have been solved.

I was in the UK when Tony Blair's government gained power in 1997. Hand-counted ballots all around the UK in 600+ constituencies, polls closed at 10 pm on Thursday, Tony Blair saw the Queen (to be formally appointed as Prime Minister) before lunch on Friday. I remember watching on television black limousines with motorcycle escorts slide through London traffic as the formalities were quickly executed.

A few counts were delayed slightly for either to geography (e.g. the remote areas of Scotland, especially the islands) of because multiple recounts were required due to small margins.

So your objection has no basis.

My objection is there’s no need to talk about paper ballots at all when the current system is fine. If there were paper ballots, they’d cry about that. What they want is no vote at all. And discussing pros and cons like there is an actual issue instead of a patently fabricated one is a step closer in that direction.

[tek]

I don't see any problem with mark-sense ballots. (NOT ballot-marking machines!)
Count 'em by machine, if there's any "issue" count 'em by hand.
Very well understood technology.

Hand counting, given the way the GOP is taking over elections commissions across the nation, seems like a perfect way to completely corrupt elections. Which is probably the point.

[Lansdowne]

Plenty of countries use hand counted paper ballots and report results quickly and reliably, so all those issues have been solved.

I was in the UK when Tony Blair's government gained power in 1997. Hand-counted ballots all around the UK in 600+ constituencies, polls closed at 10 pm on Thursday, Tony Blair saw the Queen (to be formally appointed as Prime Minister) before lunch on Friday. I remember watching on television black limousines with motorcycle escorts slide through London traffic as the formalities were quickly executed.

A few counts were delayed slightly for either to geography (e.g. the remote areas of Scotland, especially the islands) of because multiple recounts were required due to small margins.

So your objection has no basis.

From my point of view as a British person with plenty of experience including as a party counting agent, the issue is simply this. I think it is the same experience that RTH10260 describes (from Switzerland?)

In a UK general election such as May 1st 1997, a voter will be given a ballot paper to vote for their constituency MP. As May is the normal time for local council elections, they may be given a second ballot paper to vote for ward councillors and perhaps a third for parish councillors. Each being a different colour as RTH describes.

The ballot paper for the constituency MP will be identical in any part of the constituency even though there may be part of several council areas involved. All ballot papers are printed to an exact model laid down by the UK Electoral Commission.
After the polls close at 10pm the counting staff begin opening the ballot boxes as soon as they arrive at the counting centre. The less important council ballots are set aside so that the parliamentary votes get counted with priority and yes, it is all done within maybe 6-8 hours. Or in the City of Sunderland in little over an hour as they have a long held civic obsession with being the first.

The main practical differences being
Firstly, that we do not believe in electing judges, prosecutors, sheriffs, bureaucrats, accountants, election supervisors (!) and the (I hope mythical) dog catchers.

Secondly, we do not give local (political) authorities any flexibility about how elections are run. Except (to a small extent) the number and location of polling places.

So the long ballots with hundreds of names of candidates just do not exist here or ?most other countries. They are probably a U.S. peculiarity and it would be impossible to hand count every race on those with any hope of accuracy or any speed.

Thirdly, as elections are run entirely by professional appointees, there is little suspicion about the validity of results.

To propose an American election arranged to be hand counted would mean a major redesign of the election system. Which of course you need anyway.

[sugar magnolia]

We can't get anyone but old, retired people to even man the tables during voting, much less enough people to hand count ballots after the election.

[RTH10260]

We can't get anyone but old, retired people to even man the tables during voting, much less enough people to hand count ballots after the election.

In my corner of the globe vote counting has the same position like US jury duty. Actually people who are looking for a political career early in their life will use this position as their launching platform. In small to medium sized municipalities the voting office will be like a dozen people.

[Slim Cognito]

This country is so screwed.

[Dave from down under]

We have the Australian Electoral Commission that works with the States and Territories Electoral Commissions.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austral ... Commission

AFAIK - non partisan & professional

[tek]

Actually people who are looking for a political career early in their life will use this position as their launching platform.

That would be bad, IMHO.

[Sam the Centipede]

[:snippity:
My objection is there’s no need to talk about paper ballots at all when the current system is fine. If there were paper ballots, they’d cry about that.

I agree entirely. It's good to have a system which has a paper record of ballots cast, but that doesn't mean machines are undesirable.

I guess places l Ike the UK continue to work elections entirely without technology – no automatic sorting out counting of ballot slips – purely because "if it isn't broken, don't fix it".

And that reasoning applies here. As you point out, machine voting i also sn't broken.

[Gregg]

Does anyone here truly believe that a hand count will be true and accurate?

There are so many issues with hand counting thousands of ballots from hundreds of locations. It would be so easy to lose ballots and disqualify otherwise valid ballots. Chains of custody could be easily breached. Will they hire one of the Final Four accounting firms to do the counting?

This is the easiest way to rig an election.

Plenty of countries use hand counted paper ballots and report results quickly and reliably, so all those issues have been solved.

I was in the UK when Tony Blair's government gained power in 1997. Hand-counted ballots all around the UK in 600+ constituencies, polls closed at 10 pm on Thursday, Tony Blair saw the Queen (to be formally appointed as Prime Minister) before lunch on Friday. I remember watching on television black limousines with motorcycle escorts slide through London traffic as the formalities were quickly executed.

A few counts were delayed slightly for either to geography (e.g. the remote areas of Scotland, especially the islands) of because multiple recounts were required due to small margins.

So your objection has no basis.

Yeah, but England counts their ballots as soon as polls close at the voting place, and forward those results upward to be compiled. Its a process that works largely because that's the way it's done and they have learned to do it. Also, in England a ballot is unlikely to have 20 different races on it which is typical here. I dunno how many people vote in a precinct there, but here it might be 20,000 people, who are voting on as I said, as many as 20 different offices and the ballots are different for almost every precinct due to different districts, special taxes and such. In the little City of South Lebanon, we have I think 5 precincts but in that we are in two different state representative districts, 2 school districts and there was one liquor license a few years back that was only on the ballot for 3 streets in the city. And a city is relatively easy compared to if you are in a township. In the UK, how much more complicated is a ballot than choosing between 4 or 5 candidates for MP? (I really don't know)

Also too, I'm not sure people in Europe, the UK especially, realize how flipping big the USA is. There are places here where the next town is an hour drive, places where the nearest neighbor is half an hour away and places physically larger than Great Britain with less than 100,000 people are probably not uncommon.

[raison de arizona]

Also too, I'm not sure people in Europe, the UK especially, realize how flipping big the USA is. There are places here where the next town is an hour drive, places where the nearest neighbor is half an hour away and places physically larger than Great Britain with less than 100,000 people are probably not uncommon.

AZ is decently bigger than Great Britain FWIW. And typically has 20-30 issues/races on the ballot.

[Gregg]

Also too, I'm not sure people in Europe, the UK especially, realize how flipping big the USA is. There are places here where the next town is an hour drive, places where the nearest neighbor is half an hour away and places physically larger than Great Britain with less than 100,000 people are probably not uncommon.

AZ is decently bigger than Great Britain FWIW. And typically has 20-30 issues/races on the ballot.

But it also has more than one ballot, a lot more. The county where I live had over 200 unique ballots in 2020.

[raison de arizona]

Also too, I'm not sure people in Europe, the UK especially, realize how flipping big the USA is. There are places here where the next town is an hour drive, places where the nearest neighbor is half an hour away and places physically larger than Great Britain with less than 100,000 people are probably not uncommon.

AZ is decently bigger than Great Britain FWIW. And typically has 20-30 issues/races on the ballot.

But it also has more than one ballot, a lot more. The county where I live had over 200 unique ballots in 2020.

That's true, each little area has it's own special version. And the boundaries are odd at times, because school districts can (and do) breach city boundaries, etc.

Also, getting back to the lolsuit, they drew a great judge

Judge Deborah Fine is presiding in the @KariLake and @RealMarkFinchem case against Sec. Hobbs. She famously called qanon shaman Jacob Chansley a violent insurrectionist.
@GailGolec @tomryanlaw