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Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:20 pm
by RTH10260
I seem to remember this was partly reported upthread, but nonetheless
'Just Say That the Election Was Corrupt,' Trump Told DOJ in December
"It was a failed coup. Call it what it was. It didn't work! But they sure as hell tried."

KENNY STANCIL
July 30, 2021

Additional evidence of former U.S. President Donald Trump's efforts to invalidate and reverse the outcome of the 2020 presidential race came to light on Friday when the New York Times, using newly obtained documents, reported that Trump pressured top Justice Department officials in late December to declare that "the election was corrupt" so that he and his GOP allies could overturn the results.

According to the Times:
The exchange unfolded during a phone call on December 27 in which Mr. Trump pressed the acting attorney general at the time, Jeffrey A. Rosen, and his deputy, Richard P. Donoghue, on voter fraud claims that the department had disproved. Mr. Donoghue warned that the department had no power to change the outcome of the election. Mr. Trump replied that he did not expect that, according to notes Mr. Donoghue took memorializing the conversation.
"Just say that the election was corrupt + leave the rest to me" and congressional Republican allies. That's how Donoghue, who took notes during the call, summarized Trump's response.

The DOJ provided Donoghue's notes to the House Committee on Oversight and Reform, which is investigating the Trump administration's far-reaching campaign to reverse Trump's loss last November.

In light of the new revelations, committee chairwoman Rep. Carolyn Maloney (D-N.Y.) said in a statement that "these handwritten notes show that President Trump directly instructed our nation's top law enforcement agency to take steps to overturn a free and fair election in the final days of his presidency."



https://www.commondreams.org/news/2021/ ... j-december

Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:24 pm
by raison de arizona
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Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:24 pm
by neonzx


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Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:40 pm
by AndyinPA
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... k-excerpt/
A five-day stretch in October 2020 — from the moment White House officials began an extraordinary effort to get Trump lifesaving drugs to the day the president returned to the White House from the hospital — marked a dramatic turning point in the nation’s flailing coronavirus response. Trump’s brush with severe illness and the prospect of death caught the White House so unprepared that they had not even briefed Vice President Mike Pence’s team on a plan to swear him in if Trump became incapacitated.

For months, the president had taunted and dodged the virus, flouting safety protocols by holding big rallies and packing the White House with maskless guests. But just one month before the election, the virus that had already killed more than 200,000 Americans had sickened the most powerful person on the planet.

Trump’s medical advisers hoped his bout with the coronavirus, which was far more serious than acknowledged at the time, would inspire him to take the virus seriously. Perhaps now, they thought, he would encourage Americans to wear masks and put his health and medical officials front and center in the response. Instead, Trump emerged from the experience triumphant and ever more defiant. He urged people not to be afraid of the virus or let it dominate their lives, disregarding that he had had access to health care and treatments unavailable to other Americans.

Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:51 pm
by northland10
The "cow pasture" is hosting a festival Rock the South on August 13 and 14. Mainly country by the looks of it. Apparently started as a memorial to the 2011 tornados and then kept happening. May be the first year at this location.

https://rockthesouth.com/

Looking at the map, it appears they have done festivals before (from the layout of 2 tracks around).

Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:06 pm
by Uninformed
From the desk of TFG:

“President Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America, will deliver remarks at a major rally in Cullman, Alabama, on Saturday, August 21, 2021, at 7:00PM CDT.
This rally will be hosted by the Alabama Republican Party and held in conjunction with the Alabama Republican Party’s Summer Meeting. This rally marks President Trump’s further support of the MAGA agenda and accomplishments of President Trump’s Administration.”

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Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:32 pm
by RTH10260
Uninformed wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:06 pm From the desk of TFG:

“President Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America, will deliver remarks at a major rally in Cullman, Alabama, on Saturday, August 21, 2021, at 7:00PM CDT.
This rally will be hosted by the Alabama Republican Party and held in conjunction with the Alabama Republican Party’s Summer Meeting. This rally marks President Trump’s further support of the MAGA agenda and accomplishments of President Trump’s Administration.”

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:confuzzled: a rally is now proof of accomplishments of a past Administration :?:

Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:08 pm
by MN-Skeptic
Uninformed wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:06 pm ...and accomplishments of President Trump’s Administration.”
Killing both the economy and hundreds of thousands of Americans because of a mismanaged pandemic?

Being impeached twice?

Being The Worst President in the History of the United States?

Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:50 pm
by roadscholar
Historians’ consensus is Fourth Worst.

De minimis. A very crappy Prexy. One of the very worst. :torches:

Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:55 pm
by MN-Skeptic
roadscholar wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:50 pm Historians’ consensus is Fourth Worst.
They're wrong.

Because I said so.

Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:00 pm
by roadscholar
Lay opinions aside (to which you have, of course, an absolute right), he was ranked as THE worst in several parameters of their rubrics.

IIRC, “credibility” was one.

Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:51 pm
by Gregg
I can think of three where there might be an argument, but he loses 2 out of 3 no matter what.

Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:58 am
by neonzx
RTH10260 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:32 pm
Uninformed wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:06 pm From the desk of TFG:

“President Donald J. Trump, 45th President of the United States of America, will deliver remarks at a major rally in Cullman, Alabama, on Saturday, August 21, 2021, at 7:00PM CDT.
This rally will be hosted by the Alabama Republican Party and held in conjunction with the Alabama Republican Party’s Summer Meeting. This rally marks President Trump’s further support of the MAGA agenda and accomplishments of President Trump’s Administration.”

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:confuzzled: a rally is now proof of accomplishments of a past Administration :?:
I dunno. I assume they can only hold these events in supporter donated cow pastures in the most historically racist county in Alabama though because Trump doesn't pay his venue bills.

Sound about white?

Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:30 am
by Uninformed
Trivia: the Alabama Republican Party does not appear to have a summer meeting scheduled, so it can be supposed that they will pick up the tab for any costs.

Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:45 am
by RTH10260
Uninformed wrote: Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:30 am Trivia: the Alabama Republican Party does not appear to have a summer meeting scheduled, so it can be supposed that they will pick up the tab for any costs.
They do promote it on their website algop.org and forward to the DJT event website.

Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:07 am
by Uninformed
Oh, I must have missed it, couldn't see any mention of a summer meeting.

Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:21 am
by Suranis
RTH10260 wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:32 pm
Uninformed wrote: Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:06 pmThis rally marks President Trump’s further support of the MAGA agenda and accomplishments of President Trump’s Administration.”

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:confuzzled: a rally is now proof of accomplishments of a past Administration :?:
He never said the rally was proof of his administration's accomplishments, it says it is in SUPPORT of them. So basically he is in support of himself. How supportive of him.

Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:41 am
by AndyinPA
Speaking of his administration's accomplishments:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/donald-t ... 82ab6206c4
A key economic indicator that Donald Trump loved to boast about wasn’t so great during his time in office. Far from it.

The annualized real growth in America’s Gross Domestic Product during Trump’s administration was the worst since the Great Depression, according to updated and revised government data. And quarterly GDP data, which only dates back to Dwight Eisenhower’s presidency beginning in 1953, puts Trump dead last among the dozen presidents since then, according to Bloomberg.

The economy clearly took a hit from the coronavirus pandemic during Trump’s final year in office. But previous presidents also faced formidable troubles and the GDP fared better. GDP grew 1.8% during George W. Bush’s presidency, roiled by 9/11 and the financial industry’s subprime mortgage debacle. It increased 2.1% during Barack Obama’s term, which featured the Great Recession. Trump notched a last-place 1.6% increase.

The Commerce Department’s Bureau of Economic Analysis has four quarters of data for each year only going back to Eisenhower’s term.

Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:25 pm
by Kendra

We will be protesting at Winged Foot tomorrow, where Ted Virtue is honoring Trump, an authoritarian who tried to overthrow our democracy. Fascism must be resisted! If you want to join, email mamk.indivisible@gmail.com for details.
http://yonkerstimes.com/democrats-outra ... -august-4/

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Membership at Winged Foot is split on Trump’s visit, and their support or dislike for the former President, much like the rest of the country. Some members have called honoring Trump “pathetic.”

Some reports have cited the fact that former President Barack Obama, when he was President in 2014, was not granted access to Winged Foot when his staff requested that he be invited in for a round. But Obama was not a member of the club, and was sitting President at the time. Trump is a member and now former President.

But one fact remains when comparing Obama’s request and Trump’s invite. Both require extensive secret service and the closure of major parts of the course, which winds its way through the quiet streets of Mamaroneck, with many homes back yards sitting on the edges of the course
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Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 1:40 pm
by raison de arizona
Doesn't Winged Foot have a history of not allowing Black people? I'm sure that had nothing to do with it though.

Anyway, tfg has it all figured out.
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No idea who Keshel is, here is his Telegram post tfg is crowing aboot:

Anywho, apparently Biden got _trounced_.

Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 1:46 pm
by RTH10260
do we need another audit to magickally transform "estimated" into "actual" :?:
Elections Expert Seth Keshel Releases National Fraud Numbers: Finds 8.1 Million Excess Votes in US Election, Affirms Trump Won PA, MI, WI, NV, AZ, GA and MN
By Survive the News
AUG 2, 2021

retired Army intelligence captain, elections data expert, and former baseball analyst Seth Keshel released his final national fraud numbers over the weekend.

Seth Keshel examined the final vote counts in all 50 states compared to the estimated numbers based on changing state dynamics and trends to come up with his estimated voter fraud in each state.

He published his results on his popular Telegram page.


https:// www.reddit.com/r/Deplatformed_/comments ... _national/

Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:09 pm
by northland10
He was one of Powell"s "experts" during her election lawsuits. Somewhere (don't have time to grab it) the WI Gov attorney stated that he does not explain his actual election experience and does not show his methodology.

Apparently, at least in Forth Worth or Tarrant County, they sent out a "voter verification" card to voters attempting to "verify" the votes. This was part of a project of some GOP donors. I assume his numbers are based off a discrepancy because the cards returns were low for Biden voters (and the other down-ballot candidates). I got the impression that they are confused that not all Republican voters are voting a straight ticket.

https://www.star-telegram.com/opinion/b ... 01418.html

Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:18 pm
by Tiredretiredlawyer
by Suranis
He never said the rally was proof of his administration's accomplishments, it says it is in SUPPORT of them. So basically he is in support of himself. How supportive of him.
Supportive, huh? Does that make him a brassierre?

Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:18 pm
by raison de arizona
This
Here is a tale of the tape for Excess Biden Votes based on trend analysis in the modern political era, considering population growth/decline, recent voter history, and registration information, including registration by party.
doesn't seem like a valid method to estimate the vote. Instead, it sounds a lot like wishful thinking. We know a lot of Republicans voted against tfg, as much as they'd like to deny that.

Re: trump (the former guy)

Posted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:21 pm
by northland10
People only vote for their party so that is a perfect measure. Also, nobody registers with no preference, not at all. They have to declare a party and only vote that. That's how it all works.

Well, they can vote the other party, in the other party's primary, to help ensure the weakest candidate gets the nomination. but that is basically voting for your party, in a different way, so all good.