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Roodles has discovered that 1) he's judgment-proof (too broke to pay, so why not say anything he wants?) and 2) he'll probably be dead in the morning anyway.

Found this article: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... 7f99&ei=10

The article reports that roodles is asking the federal bankruptcy judge for permission to appeal the $148M verdict and judgement against him. Does he need permission from a bankruptcy judge to appeal?

IANAL, but it seems to me that he could pursue the appeal simultaneously with bankruptcy proceedings. If the appeals court finds in his favor, that would have a profound effect on his bankruptcy.

Could/would a bankruptcy judge deny him permission to appeal the judgement?

I think I read that he's asking the bankruptcy judge in an attempt to avoid posting the bond required to appeal, which he can't get because he's broke.

IANAL, and all that so, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

He isn't right in the least!

noblepa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2024 8:14 pm Found this article: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics ... 7f99&ei=10

The article reports that roodles is asking the federal bankruptcy judge for permission to appeal the $148M verdict and judgement against him. Does he need permission from a bankruptcy judge to appeal?

IANAL, but it seems to me that he could pursue the appeal simultaneously with bankruptcy proceedings. If the appeals court finds in his favor, that would have a profound effect on his bankruptcy.

Could/would a bankruptcy judge deny him permission to appeal the judgement?

My IANAL interpretation - as he has applied for bankruptcy he can no longer take financial decisions and needs the judge to permit spendings, like the payment for the appeal. Not that he would have that sort of $$$ at hand anyway.

noblepa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 20, 2024 8:14 pm The article reports that roodles is asking the federal bankruptcy judge for permission to appeal the $148M verdict and judgement against him. Does he need permission from a bankruptcy judge to appeal?

I haven't been following this case, but typically federal bankruptcy proceedings place a stay on litigation. That is, in fact, why many people declare bankruptcy: to hold off collection proceedings or such litigation.

So Giuliani's purported asking the bankruptcy court to modify its stay order seems plausible.

I'm not sure why Giuliani would want that, but I avoid thinking about Giuliani's motivations.

At the bottom of that MSN article:

In response to Lane's request that Giuliani clarify what he's seeking to achieve by filing bankruptcy, his lawyer told the judge that he believes the dollar amount determined in the Freeman case to be "unreasonable" and that he was asking the court to address the figure, either vacating or modifying the verdict.

So it sounds like Giuliani is seeking a temporary lifting of the stay, so he can go back to the defamation court and then litigate the size of the judgment. Presumably when the court denies that (or gives the verdict a modest haircut), Giuliani will run back to bankruptcy court and want the stay re-imposed.

I note the defamation case took place in a federal court, so there are probably issues concerning a bankruptcy judge's ability to control litigation in a different federal district's court.

Your honor, I have no intention of paying the $XXXX settlement, so please reduce it to an amount I also have no intention of paying.

Better yet, take a year or two to think about it.

Rudy has been ordered to attend his bankruptcy hearing on 2/7 so he can be questioned under oath.

With a filing on the bankruptcy court docket in New York entered Wednesday, Rudy Giuliani has officially been ordered to testify in person next month about the state of his finances in the wake of a court order that he pay the former election workers he defamed, Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss, $148 million.

https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/ru ... oceedings/

Ron Filipkowski @RonFilipkowski wrote: Now Trump will have to pay Rudy’s creditors since his unpaid legal fees to Rudy are one of Rudy’s assets in his bankruptcy. Just keeps getting better.

Rollin Reisinger @RollinReisinger wrote: The US bankruptcy trustee may be suing Donald Trump on Rudy Giuliani's behalf for unpaid legal expenses.

Discovery will be wild.

Teh Donald to pay Rudy's bills? But he never knew him ....

And Rudy's not his type.

I dunno if he has anything squirreled away somewhere, but Giuliani’s finances are pretty bleak. Of note, a $13,500 court ordered payment to his mother-in-law.

tfg didn't pay? Say it ain't so!

Mike Sington @MikeSington wrote: Rudy Giuliani says Trump owes him $2 million in legal fees. Giuliani: “Once I took over, it was my understanding that I would be paid by the campaign for my legal work, and my expenses to be paid. When we submitted the invoice for payment, they just paid the expenses. Not all but most. They never paid the legal fees.”

Awww, don't you feel so sooorrrrryy for poor Rudi, so unexpectedly stiffed for his fees by his great chum Donald Trump?

You don't? You really don't care one little bit, not even a soupçon of a tidbit of a fraction of an iota of a morsel of a crumb of a fragment of a grain of sympathy?

Me neither.

Best part is that tfg didn't even pay all of Roodles' expenses, Roodles had to pay for the honor of representing tfg

It was "[his] understanding...". You need to have gotten it in writing, doofus!

much ado wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:36 pm It was "[his] understanding...". You need to have gotten it in writing, doofus!

Even a written contract with tfg doesn't guarantee payment.

much ado wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 1:36 pm It was "[his] understanding...". You need to have gotten it in writing, doofus!

That doesn't help, with tfg you've got to get the $ up front!

I'm thinking maybe Rudy shouldn't have taken the small pouch of magic beans in lieu of $.

How else was he supposed to pay Four Seasons Landscaping?

W. Kevin Vicklund wrote: ↑Thu Feb 08, 2024 7:51 pm How else was he supposed to pay Four Seasons Landscaping?

[And that was how we started a modern fairy tale as a chain story.]

Filipkowski's comment makes me feel a bit icky.

Ron Filipkowski @RonFilipkowski wrote: Are we sure that bankruptcy trustee is keeping tabs on how Rudy spends his money?

My eyes! What has been seen cannot be unseen