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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:21 am
by Luke
DAMMIT! That was a locked Members Only message! Fogbow security has been BREACHED!

Realist, you're right. Have your OLIVE and MAUVE trenchcoat on and meet me at Bunker A 048XX (you know the number) on the Quaibrücke bridgehead near Bürkliplatz. The birthers will never find us there.

Our escape plans are being arranged but it is a race against time. There was a message that Chuckles and Laity were seen boarding a Swissair First Class flight with suspicious baggage. Lord knows what will happen if Commander Zullo is on his way too also. You are right. it is time to


:panic: :panic: :panic:

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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 1:46 am
by keith
Wait a minute youse guyze! You lost me at the bakery!


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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:01 am
by Reality Check
If we have pissed off Rondeau, Kerchner, and Zullo enough they think we are part of a well funded organization of operatives we must have done a damned fine job. I know I was certainly proud to play a small part in figuring out the source of the LFBC scan file was a Xerox 7655 WorkCentre. That really blew up Zullo's so called evidence so badly that he had to start all over.

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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 12:55 pm
by bob
Reality Check wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:01 am If we have pissed off Rondeau, Kerchner, and Zullo enough they think we are part of a well funded organization of operatives we must have done a damned fine job.
It plays into the conspiracy.

Imagine wasting years of your life, and thousands of dollars, on something widely lauded as very wrong (and racist).

Because many people can't handle that kind of negative feedback, it is easier to invent a vast conspiracy that knows you are actually correct and spends even more time and money to suppress the fruits of your labor.

It isn't that you are wrong; the Derp State is expending great resources to paint you as wrong. :crazy:

I personally find it hi-larious Zullo crawled out from his rock to dribble out, years later, his STUNNING REVELATION that there's no seal ... only to be immediately proven wrong. So he pivoted to the entirely inconsistent fallback lie that the seal was forged (by the people who regularly make that seal). A regular Schroedinger's seal, there: it is both fake and nonexistent at the same time.

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Bonus:
Susan Daniels wrote:Why don’t they [the FOX friends] get that Obama has been using a stole social security number? I can prove it with multiple documents that I include in my book “The Rubbish Hauler’s Wife versus Barack Obama: A True Story.”
:lol:

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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:28 pm
by Sam the Centipede
Oooo!!! Is Harrison Bounel in play again?

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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:36 pm
by SuzieC
Susan Daniels? Wasn't she a lunatic Ohio birther?

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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:47 pm
by bob
SuzieC wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:36 pm Susan Daniels? Wasn't she a lunatic Ohio birther?
Yep: the private investigator who "proved" Obama used a fake Social Security Number by ... running a credit check (that disclaimed all accuracy). Which led to ...
Sam the Centipede wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2024 4:28 pm Oooo!!! Is Harrison Bounel in play again?
NEVER NOT IN PLAY. :towel:

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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 10:56 pm
by bob
P&E: An Admission of Forgery?:
"SUFFICIENTLY AUTHENTIC FOR LEGAL PURPOSES"?

In a remark responsive to Tuesday’s article titled, “Birth Certificate Exposé Brings Out Forgery Defenders,” commenter [some jerk*] appears to have admitted that the “long-form” birth certificate image published on the White House website 13 years ago today bearing the name “Barack Hussein Obama” is likely not authentic.

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“Zullo’s speculations about other people’s emotions, motives, and financial compensation are misguided at best,” [some jerk] wrote on Tuesday. “But Zullo seems to have missed the point that the digital image with NARA, contrary to the assertion, shows a shape consistent with a seal. More basically, no one intended for the image to be sufficiently authentic for legal purposes, as its release was aimed at convincing reasonable minds that Hawaii has a birth certificate on file.
SOME JERK IS ("NATIONAL") NEWSWORTHY!!! :towel:

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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:10 pm
by p0rtia
Oh, Bob....

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Posted: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:44 pm
by bob
And we're off!:
[some jerk*] wrote:Acknowledging that a digital image wasn’t intended for any legal proceeding isn’t an admission that it is a forgery. The digital image had the non-legal, real-world purpose of showing to reasonable minds that it existed.

Zullo’s claims about any analyst’s asserted findings would violate the Best Evidence Rule. Zullo also inconsistently claimed the seal both didn’t exist and was forged, but even a forged seal by definition exists.
Rondeau** wrote:Wow…
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** Posted at 11:34 PM EDT on a Saturday. The P&E staffers must be earning overtime!

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Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:48 am
by Sam the Centipede
bob wrote: Sat Apr 27, 2024 11:44 pm ** Posted at 11:34 PM EDT on a Saturday. The P&E staffers must be earning overtime!
The P&E never sleeps! The presses are rolling, copies speed into the piles, but a call comes down from the Editor-in-Chief's office: "STOP THE PRESSES!! HOLD THE FRONT PAGE!!"

With a rancid screech then a long putrid sigh the mighty but imaginary machines slow to a standstill. "What is it this time?" one frowning ink-bespattered gnome asks another, "Dunno", replies the other, scratching his buttocks and farting loudly, "Maybe The Chief saw some text and that was left-justified and decided that's an Obot plot and we'll get the blame. Either that or she has completely misunderstood something [*some jerk] wrote to pluck her harp strings. She's a f***ing idiot anyway. I'm glad I'm only a figment of someone's imagination."

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Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 12:18 pm
by Reality Check
Rondeau wrote:Unauthenticated ...
Frankly I cannot imagine another document that has been authenticated as thoroughly as Obama's birth certificate has by the state of Hawaii. When Birthers lie they go with whoppers.

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Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 3:18 pm
by bob
P&E comments:
Joe Leland wrote:The birth certificate PDF can be found on the Archives website by adding quotations marks to the search term “long form”. It will be the sixth results.
Rondeau wrote:Interesting…do you have a direct line to NARA?
Apparently only the Derp State knows how to use search engines. :roll:

And:
Holden Faweva wrote:You cite and quote left, right, up and down as a be-all-end-all authority, it is Zullo’s incompetent work that could have totally destroyed everything that was good about the “birther movement” if his work and its conclusions were given the public, Congressional or court hearings he sought.
Rondeau wrote:The issue is not the “birther movement,” but rather, what the truth is.
Past experience has taught that suggesting Rondeau doesn't know the truth leads to baning....

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Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:09 pm
by bob

We may have dead-end birthers, but we don't have succession birthers. :smoking:

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Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:47 pm
by noblepa
bob wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 9:09 pm
We may have dead-end birthers, but we don't have succession birthers. :smoking:

It is amazing to me how anyone could be a succession birther, especially in the case of Meghan Markel's children, Archie and Lillibet. Archie is sixth in line, while Lillibet is seventh. The chance of either of them ascending to the throne are miniscule.

Plus, when George, Charlotte and Louis are old enough to marry and have children of their own, Archie and Lillibet will move even further down the list.

Why should Meghan Markel have to prove maternity, but not Catherine Middleton, Princess of Wales, whose children, George, Charlotte and Louis, are second, third and fourth in line.

Oh, wait . . .

On a slightly more serious note, when I google the line of succession, I found out that there is no formal list, kept by any government agency, of the line of succession. So, there is nothing to remove Archie and Lillibet from.

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Posted: Sun Apr 28, 2024 11:27 pm
by zekeb
Obviously they don't know how the line of succession works. The only way Megan and Harry's kids will be in the line of succession is if William and Kate's entire line is wiped out.

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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:37 am
by RTH10260
Why are Americans so concerned about British royalty :?: :confuzzled: :confuzzled: :confuzzled:

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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:39 am
by Dave from down under
zekeb wrote: Sun Apr 28, 2024 11:27 pm Obviously they don't know how the line of succession works. The only way Megan and Harry's kids will be in the line of succession is if William and Kate's entire line is wiped out.
Don’t give Megan ideas!

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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:42 am
by bob
RTH10260 wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:37 am Why are Americans so concerned about British royalty :?: :confuzzled: :confuzzled: :confuzzled:
The quoted tweeter is from the UK.

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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:39 am
by Maybenaut
Also, too, why isn’t Harry the one who’s being asked for the proof, since any claim to succession flows from him and not his wife?
noblepa wrote:Oh, wait…

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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:38 am
by zekeb
Maybenaut wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:39 am Also, too, why isn’t Harry the one who’s being asked for the proof, since any claim to succession flows from him and not his wife?
Back in the olden olden days they'd watch the couple doing "the act." This is the almost only way you can almost tell for sure whose offspring it is.

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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:41 am
by Maybenaut
zekeb wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:38 am
Maybenaut wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:39 am Also, too, why isn’t Harry the one who’s being asked for the proof, since any claim to succession flows from him and not his wife?
Back in the olden olden days they'd watch the couple doing "the act." This is the almost only way you can almost tell for sure whose offspring it is.
Ew. Even attractive people like Harry and Meghan… Ew.

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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 12:37 pm
by W. Kevin Vicklund
zekeb wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:38 am
Maybenaut wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:39 am Also, too, why isn’t Harry the one who’s being asked for the proof, since any claim to succession flows from him and not his wife?
Back in the olden olden days they'd watch the couple doing "the act." This is the almost only way you can almost tell for sure whose offspring it is.
That was for consummation of the marriage. No take-backsies afterwards!

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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:00 pm
by Dave from down under
Except if your name was Henry :whistle:

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Posted: Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:27 pm
by bob
P&E:
Zullo on the Obama Birth Certificate, National Archives, and “Best Evidence”
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“HIS STATEMENT IS AN ADMISSION OF THE CRIME”

Just after midnight Sunday, in response to an article published Saturday evening titled, “An Admission of Forgery?” commenter “Holden Faweva” claimed Obama birth-certificate lead investigator Mike Zullo failed to prove that “the Ah’Nee certificate was used to produce Barry’s LFBC” (long-form birth certificate).

The commenter’s reference was to the original, paper birth certificate of one Joanna Ah’Nee, born in Hawaii the same month as Obama reportedly was, and which Zullo revealed at a 2016 press conference was a “source document” (45:12) for the forgery of the Obama birth-certificate image presented to the public 13 years ago.

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Faweva nevertheless opined that both Zullo and the “court-recognized document experts” commissioned to scrutinize the evidence missed the mark in “proving the Ah’Nee certificate was used to produce Barry’s LFBC.”

“Not only did Zullo and his vaunted document experts, both foreign and domestic, not come close to proving the Ah’Nee certificate was used to produce Barry’s LFBC,” Faweva wrote, “what he was able to prove was that he and his experts had no semblance of professional criteria to come to proper conclusions.”

He continued:
Faweva wrote: Herewith, I include excerpts from the relevant and claimed Ah’Nee fields and their corresponding fields from Barry’s LFBC, first onto Green Safety Paper, and secondly onto the gray blank background found in the White House Press Corps(e) Press Kits.

https://postimg.cc/zH8fL2zt

The reader will note that police guy has fully screwed up his claimed evidence for the culminating, final presser. NONE of the sample Ah’Nee fields were used to source Barry’s analogous fields. They don’t match at all!!!!

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There is such evidence in the Barry BC story, as there are several cases where seals were used in a fraudulent manner, as with Barry’s LFBC three Verifications. Thus, use of your “especially unlikely” is far off the mark. If the Guthrie I-feel-something seal doesn’t manifest the required-to-be-valid features, it would only be an added measure of BC forgery, par for the course for these intel-agency-connected document manipulators.

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We’ve seen this apparently mistaken attribution before in reference to top people at the HDOH. Perhaps a supposedly deceased intel community asset, as with Subud in Indonesia and internationally, but who actually escape death through the Fuddy staged water landing.

As ATO very well knows, the MS Dem Party Verification is flawed and therefore invalid. The Director’s signature is nowhere to be found on that verification, though her star-containing seal is present next to ATO’s.

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You cite and quote left, right, up and down as a be-all-end-all authority, it is Zullo’s incompetent work that could have totally destroyed everything that was good about the “birther movement” if his work and its conclusions were given the public, Congressional or court hearings he sought.
To the latter, The Post & Email responded:
Rondeau wrote:The issue is not the “birther movement,” but rather, what the truth is.
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Last week Zullo expressed to The Post & Email that he believes several frequent commenters [ . . . ] are in service to the government and/or the Obama camp to immediately attempt to dispel the investigational findings he has chosen to make public with disinformation to sow doubt in readers’ minds.

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Saturday evening’s article revealed that the search term we utilized on April 18 to locate the long-form image at NARA (“long-form” without the quotation marks) no longer yields that result.

Of that development, Zullo observed:
Zullo wrote:The link to the PDF document on the NARA site was removed promptly after your report was published, as anticipated. This indicates close monitoring by NARA/Obama officials of your coverage or the possibility of a tip-off from a well connected commenter to trigger such swift internal counter-measures. These scenarios raise troubling questions about potential collusion to suppress truthful information. The decision to produce a PDF version of the document complicates matters for those defending this fraud. Any hard-copy birth certificate obtained would need to match both the PDF and the original Guthrie photos exactly.

Inconsistencies could call into question the legitimacy of the hard-copy document and expose the criminal acts behind the PDF and its creation process. Failure to align the hard copy with the PDF would cast doubt on the authenticity of both the PDF, the Guthrie photos and the paper document itself.

Creating the PDF has posed a challenging situation and a significant Catch-22 for supporters of the PDF document’s validity. Moreover, if the State of Hawaii were to provide an identical paper document it could impact the state of Hawaii on a multitude of levels.

I want to remind you about then-Governor Abercrombie’s contradictory actions regarding the birth document. Initially, he publicly declared that the birth document was not available at the HDOH. He said he could not find a birth certificate for Obama anywhere. However, several weeks later, he said he found a partially-typed and handwritten document from the Hawaii state archives (no pressure there). The Obama document was not located in the expected bound volume at the Department of Health’s records room, and no other birth certificate displayed similar concerns. These circumstances bring into question the true origins of the document and the possibility of criminal collusion.
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[Some jerk*] is alluding to the PDF as being proof positive; that makes it ‘best evidence,’” Zullo told us. “That guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about.” He then added:

The best evidence rule is grounded in the assumption that the original document or recording is the most reliable representation of its contents. When multiple copies or reproductions of a document exist, the original is considered to be the primary source because it has not been subject to alterations or manipulations that may have compromised its integrity.

If the original document is unavailable, a duplicate or certified copy may be admissible. However, the bearer of the evidence must demonstrate that the original document is unavailable and that the duplicate or certified copy is an accurate representation of the original.

In the digital age, the best evidence rule also extends to electronic evidence. The original electronic file must be produced in order to ensure its authenticity and integrity. This includes email messages, text messages, and other digital documents.

The Ah’Nee birth certificate is the best evidence, as it is an original certified paper document.

The Barack Obama “long-form” PDF is best evidence for two reasons:

1.The PDF file has been offered as an exact digital reproduction of a purported official document by the highest government officials. The PDF is direct evidence offered as verification and proof of a record event and attested to as factual.

2.Regardless of its origin, the PDF itself serves as the primary evidence of the alleged digital crime, with all of its irregularities intact. The PDF is the crime.

The arguments put forward seem like an effort to distort facts with persuasive language and evade responsibility for prior statements. They are now trying to deflect blame and once again criticize our analysis, but these criticisms are unfounded for several reasons. Our assessment relies on expert evaluation rather than unverified claims from unknown online sources. “Best evidence” refers to physical documents and digital files in this context – we have in our possession Ah’Nee’s original paper document, while numerous unsuccessful attempts were made to obtain Obama’s corresponding physical record as it remained inaccessible to the public. Therefore, we conducted our analysis by examining its digital equivalent, the PDF file, presented as legal evidence nationally, which raised suspicions of potential criminal activity due to detected alterations within the PDF document. The issues surrounding the PDF and its handling present criminal implications.

[Some jerk] revealed the entire deceptive plot. In an attempt to recover, he is now attacking the analysis and claiming it violated the principle of “best evidence.” This argument is absurd, as the PDF serves as best evidence of the crime.

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[some jerk] wrote:Zullo’s speculations about other people’s emotions, motives, and financial compensation are misguided at best. But Zullo seems to have missed the point that the digital image with NARA, contrary to the assertion, shows a shape consistent with a seal. More basically, no one intended for the image to be sufficiently authentic for legal purposes, as its release was aimed at convincing reasonable minds that Hawaii has a birth certificate on file.
In his final statement, Zullo expressed gratitude to [some jerk] for revealing the truth about the fraud. “His statement is an admission of fraud and illegal creation of an official document,” Zullo said. “It was never intended to appeal to ‘reasonable minds’; it was intended to deceive the masses by fraud and deceit.”

To [some jerk's] statement that “Acknowledging that a digital image wasn’t intended for any legal proceeding isn’t an admission that it is a forgery. The digital image had the non-legal, real-world purpose of showing to reasonable minds that it existed,” Zullo replied, “His statement is an admission of the crime.”

Zullo indicated a lack of interest in engaging with opponents who lack expert analysis to support their claims. He also suspects that those still defending the issue may have closer ties to the fraudulent activity, potentially explaining their need to defend it.

He suggested that there appears to be a level of collusion and connection at the National Archives and predicted the image will likely be removed altogether within the coming weeks, given recent actions to make it less accessible.
Trolling Zullo is newsworthy!

I lurve how Zullo says he lacks "interest in engaging with opponents who lack expert analysis to support their claims" while he snipes from behind Rondeau's skirt without showing that he has an actual expert. :rotflmao: :rotflmao: :rotflmao:


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