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Jury has reached a decision.

Parties are assembled in the courtroom.

Holy shit he's fucked

148 million

Over 100 million.

He's not gonna be able to afford a refrigerator box for the bridge he'll be living under.

It will be reduced when he appeals. Big awards always seem to be.

chancery wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 3:05 pm I should have cautioned that just because a judgment against Giuliani isn't discharged doesn't mean that plaintiffs will collect 100 cents on the dollar, or anything close to it. Giuliani has lots of creditors, some of whom (like lawyers) may have liens.

I think that they would be doing pretty well to collect something in the mid-seven figures.

(I'm also not a big fan of most giant tort judgments, but that's a discussion for another day.)

My Civil Procedure professor in law school likened monetary judgments to hunting licenses. You need one to collect any money, but there’s no guarantee you’ll actually get anything. There may be lots of other hunters in the woods who got there before you.

Punitives not dischargeable in bankruptcy.

and, to top it off :

Sucks to be Giuliani today

Oh, Rudi, you are so fucked.

Let me just add one more: FUCK YOU, RUDI

I think Rudy will have to post an appeal bond to pursue an appeal. Yes/No? Trump had to in E. Jean Carroll's case.

I saw the post verdict statements the two ladies made. Classy, and Lady Ruby in particular, I'm still weepy. She was the best.

SuzieC wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 5:03 pm I think Rudy will have to post an appeal bond to pursue an appeal. Yes/No? Trump had to in E. Jean Carroll's case.

Giuliani probably couldn't afford the premium for a $148 Million appeal bond. In fact, considering his financial situation, the premium might be pretty close to the face amount.

I don't think you _need_ to post an appeal bond in federal court.* However, if you don't bond the appeal, judgment enforcement proceedings can go forward.


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* Fed. R. App. P. 7 provides discretion to order a bond for taxable costs, usually a modest amount.

Dr. Ken wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 4:54 pm

He went to law school and was a practicing lawyer. He knows that the place to present his "evidence", such as it is, would be during the trial phase, when the determination is made whether or not he is liable for libel. He blew the trail phase off, by not participating in discovery in good faith.

What we just witnessed was the penalty phase. In this phase, there was no question whether or not he committed libel against the plaintiffs. The only question was how much money it was going to cost him.

The judge was absolutely correct not to allow him to present evidence that the election was stolen.

It occurs to me that, even if he could prove that the election had been stolen, his burden would be to prove that the plaintiffs were personally involved in switching votes or some other nefarious activities. He wasn't sued because he said that the election was stolen (at least not in this case). He was sued because he specifically named the two defendants as having engaged in criminal election fraud.

Whether or not the election was stolen is irrelevant to this case. In order to assert a defense of the "truth" he would have to prove that the two plaintiffs were active participants in the plot.

chancery wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 5:15 pm

SuzieC wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 5:03 pm I think Rudy will have to post an appeal bond to pursue an appeal. Yes/No? Trump had to in E. Jean Carroll's case.

Giuliani probably couldn't afford the premium for a $148 Million appeal bond. In fact, considering his financial situation, the premium might be pretty close to the face amount.

However, I don't think you _need_ to post an appeal bond in federal court.* However, if you don't bond the appeal, judgment enforcement proceedings can go forward.


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* Fed. R. App. P. 7 provides discretion to order a bond for taxable costs, usually a modest amount.

Maybe he can sell bottles of his hair dye to raise funds. Or NTF photos of presser at Four Seasons (Lawn Care).

Acyn @Acyn wrote: Reporter: Do you still believe what you said about these two women was truthful?

Giuliani: I have no doubt that my comments were made and they were supportable and they are supportable today

Kaitlan Collins @kaitlancollins wrote: Ruby Freeman: "Money will never solve all of my problems. I can never move back into the house that I called home. I will always have to be careful about where I go, and who I choose to share my name with. I miss my home. I miss my neighbors. And I miss my name."