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Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:11 am
by p0rtia
Although I think G saying that Ruby and Shaye had shoved in extra ballots and he would prove it was a little more than "negative; quite defamatory."
It seems clear to me that G has figured he has nothing more to lose in civil court. so he will continue playing the most dangerous game.
Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:26 pm
by Volkonski
Election worker suing Rudy Giuliani testifies in defamation trial against him
Giuliani said Monday that he did not regret his false claims of fraud against former election workers Ruby Freeman and her daughter, Wandrea “Shaye” Moss, alleging he “told the truth” about them.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politi ... rcna129246
A former Georgia election worker testified Tuesday in a trial to determine how much Rudy Giuliani will have to pay her and her mother after he was found liable for defaming them with baseless claims that they committed fraud in the 2020 election.
Wandrea “Shaye” Moss took the stand as the fourth plaintiffs' witness in the case, detailing the negative toll the false allegations have taken on her day-to-day life. She and her mother, Ruby Freeman, sued Giuliani over the bogus claims, which they say turned their lives upside down.
“I now am very anxious," Moss testified. "I have these non-stop anxious sweats. I have a lot of dark moments. I no longer go out. I will not be caught out anywhere alone, ever.”
“I look totally different, I gained like 70 pounds. I stress eat, I cry a lot,” she added. “I’m just this whole new stressed out person.”
Giuliani, the former New York City mayor, former federal prosecutor and Donald Trump ally, was found by U.S. District Judge Beryl Howell earlier this year to have defamed the two women, including by falsely claiming they were handing around what he alleged were USB drives “like they were vials of heroin or cocaine” while the vote count was being taken. In reality, they were exchanging a ginger mint.
In August, the judge found Giuliani “civilly liable on plaintiffs’ defamation, intentional infliction of emotional distress, civil conspiracy, and punitive damage claims” because of his “willful discovery misconduct” and his purposeful “shirking of his discovery obligations.”
Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:46 pm
by Dr. Ken
Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:48 pm
by Volkonski
Judge asks if Giuliani is mentally fit as ex-mayor defends his poll worker lies
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... kers-trial
Before the jury entered the courtroom on Tuesday the US district judge, Beryl Howell, asked Joseph Sibley, Giuliani’s attorney, whether the former New York City mayor was just “playing for the cameras” when he made the comments outside of the Washington DC courthouse on Monday evening. Giuliani has already legally conceded in the past that he defamed Ruby Freeman and Shaye Moss, two Black election workers, and Howell has found him liable for defamation.
“I’m not sure. He’s 80 years old. It’s taken a toll on him,” Sibley said. Howell then proceeded to press Sibley on whether he had concerns Giuliani had the mental capacity to follow instructions in the trial. “The answer of course is yes, I believe he can follow instructions,” Sibley said. “There are health concerns with Mr Giuliani that make sitting through a multi-day trial, the stress of it.”
Freeman and Moss have lived in a “perpetual nightmare” since Giuliani falsely accused them, by name, of trying to steal the election in 2020, their lawyers said in opening statements on Monday. They are expected to testify about vicious threats, harassment and emotional distress they have suffered because of his lies. They are seeking up to $43m in damages from the former mayor and Donald Trump ally.
Giuliani has already been found liable for defamation per se, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and civil conspiracy. But in a brief statement to reporters after court on Monday evening, he suggested he planned to prove everything he had said about them was true during the trial.
“When I testify, you’ll get the whole story and it will be definitively clear what I said was true and that whatever happened to them, which was unfortunate if other people overreacted, but everything I said about them is true,” he said. Asked if he regretted what he said, Giuliani said: “Of course I don’t regret it, I told the truth.”
The claims have been repeatedly debunked and Freeman and Moss have been formally cleared of any wrongdoing.
Sibley, Giuliani’s lawyer, said in court on Monday that the damages the plaintiffs were seeking would amount to a civil “death penalty” on the former New York City mayor. “If you award them what they are asking for, it will be the end of Mr Giuliani,” he said.
It is not immediately clear who will take the stand on Tuesday but Freeman, Moss and Giuliani are all due to testify this week.
The first witness to testify on Monday was Regina Scott, a former Chicago police department officer who now works as a security consultant. She was hired by Freeman and Moss to analyze online threats against them and testified about the enormous volume they have seen since 2020. “The type of violent and racist and graphic material, that’s on a level we don’t see at all in our work,” she said on Monday.
Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 2:14 pm
by noblepa
Volkonski wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:48 pm
Judge asks if Giuliani is mentally fit as ex-mayor defends his poll worker lies
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... kers-trial
Giuliani has already been found liable for defamation per se, intentional infliction of emotional distress, and civil conspiracy. But in a brief statement to reporters after court on Monday evening, he suggested he planned to prove everything he had said about them was true during the trial.
“When I testify, you’ll get the whole story and it will be definitively clear what I said was true and that whatever happened to them, which was unfortunate if other people overreacted, but everything I said about them is true,” he said. Asked if he regretted what he said, Giuliani said: “Of course I don’t regret it, I told the truth.”
The claims have been repeatedly debunked and Freeman and Moss have been formally cleared of any wrongdoing.
material, that’s on a level we don’t see at all in our work,” she said on Monday.
IANAL, but he has already been found liable for libel, hasn't he? This phase of the trial is to determine how much money he will owe the two women, right?
Will the judge allow him to try to re-litigate the veracity of his statements? He has been found "guilty" (I know this is a civil case) and there should only be testimony about how much he has to pay.
Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 4:27 pm
by tek
Shaye Moss:
"I, personally, cannot repair my reputation at the moment because your client is still lying on me and ruining my reputation. Like, how could you work in law if everyone is saying you're a horrible lawyer?"
"You'd be surprised, actually," Sibley joked.
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Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 4:29 pm
by Rolodex
You're right. He's already been found civilly liable for defamation. This trial will be to determine compensatory and punitive damage amounts. As to his comments to the press today, I'm not sure if this is evidence of being able to increase what they're asking for or if would be a new case. It's exactly what Trump did in the Carroll case (where they found him guilty of sexual assault and defamation award of $5 million. I believe a new case was filed about the new stuff he spewed after that adjudication.
His lawyer talking about how he's 80 and it's stressful sitting through this trial. Give. Me. A. Break.
Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:05 pm
by Slim Cognito
I say give him the civil equivalent of the death penalty. And make it hurt.
Sorry, not sorry.
Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:20 pm
by Rolodex
Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:05 pm
I say give him the civil equivalent of the death penalty. And make it hurt.
Sorry, not sorry.
I want him to be be saying "You want fries with that?" for a long time.
Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:51 pm
by NewMexGirl
“Sibley, Giuliani’s lawyer, said in court on Monday that the damages the plaintiffs were seeking would amount to a civil “death penalty” on the former New York City mayor. “If you award them what they are asking for, it will be the end of Mr Giuliani,” he said.”
Not seeing the downside here, Mr. Sibley.
Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 7:46 pm
by p0rtia
Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:16 pm
by MN-Skeptic
Giuliani ruined these women’s lives! I’m fine with him ending up in the poorhouse. Or on the street.
Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:18 pm
by sad-cafe
NewMexGirl wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:51 pm
“Sibley, Giuliani’s lawyer, said in court on Monday that the damages the plaintiffs were seeking would amount to a civil “death penalty” on the former New York City mayor.
“If you award them what they are asking for, it will be the end of Mr Giuliani,” he said.”
Not seeing the downside here, Mr. Sibley.
he made his bed, he can live with the bugs
Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:25 pm
by New Turtle
He needs to spend some time in a GA prison so even the base level morons will know poll workers are off limits.
Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:27 pm
by sad-cafe
I am good with that
Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:47 pm
by Frater I*I
MN-Skeptic wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 8:16 pm
Giuliani ruined these women’s lives! I’m fine with him ending up in the poorhouse. Or on the street.
A cardboard box at the underpass of Hwy 46 is my vote....
Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 9:36 pm
by NewMexGirl
You think Rudes doesn’t have a fair chunk of change squirreled away in foreign accounts? I would be surprised if he does not. But he might have a hell of a time trying to get access….
Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 9:41 am
by p0rtia
Brandi Buchman is live tweeting Day 3 of the Giuliani trial. She is usually very good with the live tweeting from courtrooms.
https://x.com/Brandi_Buchman/status/173 ... 63551?s=20
Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 10:49 am
by p0rtia
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Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:15 am
by p0rtia
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Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:28 am
by Rolodex
I'm following Brandi, too. She's great. I followed her coverage of the Oath Keeper and Proud Boy trials.
Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:32 am
by NewMexGirl
p0rtia:
Thank you so much!
Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:08 pm
by Maybenaut
I can’t remember whether or how Judge Howell ruled on the discovery violation specifically as it relates to damages. Is she going to draw negative inferences with respect to withheld discovery - like, for example, is she going to presume that Rudy made a ton of money on these lies if he didn’t cough up his financials?
Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:20 pm
by Kendra
NewMexGirl wrote: ↑Wed Dec 13, 2023 11:32 am
p0rtia:
Thank you so much!
Me too, appreciate the twitter updates.
Rudy Giuliani
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 1:01 pm
by p0rtia
Thanks for the thanks! Is she not fabulous? We need her transcriptions skills at every damn trial that is not recorded in some way.
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