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I think many of these . . . folks cannot get or keep jobs, thus monetizing their provocative behavior as a source of income. A successful lawsuit settlement can be bonus bucks also too as well.
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John Thomas8 wrote: Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:42 pm This is your typical 1st amendment frauditor:

https:// youtu.be/rIukewidaIE
He kept saying he's a taxpayer, but your average taxpayer works or is retired, and he's definitely not working (nor is he an "independent journalist"). He also seems to have a decent car. In the comments I found out he lives with his mother, and it's her car. So she's the taxpayer. It also sounds like he's been busted for selling or trying to sell drugs, possibly to kids.

Great guy.
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They're just pathetic. The only problem I have with them is that they make other people miserable.

YouTube could fix this by kicking them off the platform.
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pipistrelle wrote: Tue Jan 09, 2024 10:29 pm
John Thomas8 wrote: Mon Jan 08, 2024 10:42 pm This is your typical 1st amendment frauditor:

https:// youtu.be/rIukewidaIE
He kept saying he's a taxpayer, but your average taxpayer works or is retired, and he's definitely not working (nor is he an "independent journalist"). He also seems to have a decent car. In the comments I found out he lives with his mother, and it's her car. So she's the taxpayer. It also sounds like he's been busted for selling or trying to sell drugs, possibly to kids.

Great guy.
Not to disagree with your general point, of course you're right, but perhaps he could argue that he pays sales taxes and other non-income related taxes, fees, charges, etc. so that makes him a "taxpayer"?

In countries with high sales taxes, such as Europe's value added taxes, right-wingers often conveniently ingore that people on low incomes, who might fall below income tax minimum thresholds, also pay tax, and that is often a significant part of their income as they need to spend every cent they receive.

For most of us, the amount of tax paid is not the criterion for participating in society and obeying laws, but the sovcits misrepresent the state and people as a transaction-based system.
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Another freedom fighter silenced by . . .



his crimes.
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Makes ya wonder what actually happened to his kid that started him down this road.

It's all pretty ugly, even for a frauditor.
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Can someone explain what freedoms this asshat is protecting?



The freedom to harass a man doing business; to attempt to intimidate a woman just sitting there? I don't advocate the presenter's comments about "chucking a table," or his poking fun of the frauditor's weight, but the auditor is definitely an asshat.

Whatever happened to minding your own business?
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Resume18 wrote: Sun Jan 14, 2024 4:24 pm Can someone explain what freedoms this asshat is protecting?



The freedom to harass a man doing business; to attempt to intimidate a woman just sitting there? I don't advocate the presenter's comments about "chucking a table," or his poking fun of the frauditor's weight, but the auditor is definitely an asshat.

Whatever happened to minding your own business?
The presenter is an asshat too.
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sugar magnolia wrote: Sun Jan 14, 2024 4:46 pm
Resume18 wrote: Sun Jan 14, 2024 4:24 pm Can someone explain what freedoms this asshat is protecting?



The freedom to harass a man doing business; to attempt to intimidate a woman just sitting there? I don't advocate the presenter's comments about "chucking a table," or his poking fun of the frauditor's weight, but the auditor is definitely an asshat.

Whatever happened to minding your own business?
The presenter is an asshat too.
A different flavor of asshat, though a significant number of YouTubers fit that description.
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Australian version

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While I like to see justice not delayed.

A police chase would have put people at risk.

I’ll see what I can find on his court case…


Some more details about sovcit Glenn Short in this article

https://www.news.com.au/national/courts ... 519972c8c5

“These individuals hold what’s best described as unconventional and legally unsupported beliefs,” Commissioner McFadden told Fordham, labelling the argument an “unconventional diatribe”.

“What that video doesn’t show is that the driver left the scene at the side of the road, but our officer was actually quite diligent at identifying the driver.

“Following the incident, court attendance notices were prepared by the officer involved, and (on Tuesday) we engaged further with the (alleged) offender, and we had one of our sergeants attend the area where he’s known to frequent.”

He said a forceful arrest is often the case when the accused makes it difficult to identify, but the officer involved in this incident had identified Short by other means and “elected not to engage in a pursuit.”

“Within 24 hours, the (alleged) offender was re-engaged and served due notices to go to court in September,” he clarified.
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news.com.au wrote:According to Mr Short’s social media channels, he owns and operates Helensburgh business Rockmonster Excavations and is a “Student Patreon” of Mark-Kishon Christopher, the self-proclaimed chief global postal court plenipotentiary judge.

Mark-Kishon Christopher’s website offers followers, for a fee, advice on how to “eliminate your domestic and commercial mortgages, and debts” by “showing engineered fraud on your documents, agreements and contracts.”

One course titled “How To Pay Your Taxes Part 1 & 2” sells for AU$6707.

“On this course, I teach my students how to correctly pay your taxes,” the description reads.

“I explain how the Inland revenue system operates and how to write in Miller’s language. I also explain how you can sue your Governments, Courts and Corporations for correct name and language performance.”
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I can see problems for Mr Short if he tries those games with the ATO (Australian Taxation Office.

I almost feel like using
https://www.ato.gov.au/about-ato/tax-av ... 0060%20062
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RTH10260 wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 10:52 pm
news.com.au wrote:According to Mr Short’s social media channels, he owns and operates Helensburgh business Rockmonster Excavations and is a “Student Patreon” of Mark-Kishon Christopher, the self-proclaimed chief global postal court plenipotentiary judge.

Mark-Kishon Christopher’s website offers followers, for a fee, advice on how to “eliminate your domestic and commercial mortgages, and debts” by “showing engineered fraud on your documents, agreements and contracts.”

One course titled “How To Pay Your Taxes Part 1 & 2” sells for AU$6707.

“On this course, I teach my students how to correctly pay your taxes,” the description reads.

“I explain how the Inland revenue system operates and how to write in Miller’s language. I also explain how you can sue your Governments, Courts and Corporations for correct name and language performance.”

Sorry, I object, you are not correctly spelling his name. Its :Mark-kishon: Christopher. :Global-Chief-Federal-Postal-Court-Judge &: Plenipotentiary-Judge.

If you want to have a look at his "Educational Videos" from his web page https://rumble.com/c/c-2706454 He hasn't uploaded a video there for 8 months, however. Most of the videos have less than 5000 views, with the most heavily viewed video having 10.5K

I'm not going to link directly to his website as I don't want to give any search hits to it, though its easily found if you want to find it yourself. This is the "about" page from that rumble channel.
Description

About Me [" I am a chief-federal-postal-court-judge and my jurisdiction runs over any governments, courts and corporations. If any citizens of the world launch a complaint with me, then I will also have jurisdiction over their cases. I trained under the chief-federal-postal-court-judge :David-wynn: Miller, and inherited his role to do the things that he used to do before he passed away. "] ["If the general public are asking themselves what is jurisdiction over any corporation and governments, this means that if any government, institution, corporation that has not given you a dictionary, or a correct language performance with its letters, legalities, laws, or claims they have fully violated the basic rules of communication. The basic rule of communication is, one meaning per word and one meaning per sentence. "] ​ ["If the basic rules of communication are violated, then there is no contracting parties, for one to claim jurisdiction over the other. "] ​ ["The job of the chief-federal-postal-court-judges is to stop and correct all misleading statements, false and fictitious conveyance of language. 2006 Fraud Act, 2001 Fraud Act. "] ​ [":David-wynn: Miller created the famous and globally recognised system of communication which he called quantum grammar. This quantum grammar cannot be trespassed upon any fictitious governments or corporations. "] ​ [" As a chief-federal-postal-court-judge, once a complaint has been put in with me, I can over-turn cases in the fictitious courts and governments and corporations - Period "] ​ [" Please note: All my cases are won using first hand knowledge and not theory. Since I only deal with first hand knowledge, if I am not familiar with something and I do not know what it is, I will be very direct and tell you that I do not know. Folks, this is the safest and best way not to fall in to the trap of lies and deception. "] ​ [" Why do I do, the things that I do? I reversed an illness / disease that I had in 14 days. I was told this disease can never be reversed and it’ll lead to my fatality. When I began to publicise my findings, through my book, The Diseases of Affluence, I found televisions stations, newspapers, corporations came to attack me in the global mass media. They made me look like an East London black villain. This mass media failed in every efforts to silence me. I learnt how to become a federal-postal-court-judge and squashed their fictitious ways in their tracks. "] [" If you are wondering what is fictitious conveyance of language, it is another way of saying poison pen letters, cyber bullying, mud slinging etc. On a personal note, these people have no power over you, except their ability to install fear in you and use their defecto court systems to threaten you - Period My training cuts through all the fiction and the fictional language used in the world. It lets you see the world for what it really is – a construct of poisoned words and language. "] ​ [" I have studied many different areas of psychology, science, medicines etc. usually to contribute or further the subject. "] ​ ["I am professional in everything I do. When I am teaching, I teach only first hand knowledge, once you understand it, you will know more than the top 3% of society, it is yours forever, no matter who does this, that, or the other. "] ​ [" Any persons wanting to hide their criminality, using my knowledge or the Federal-Postal-Court-Stations will be prosecuted and sentenced to a minimum of 7 years. The Federal-Postal-Court-Stations, The Judges, the Clerks and Baliffs practice zero tolerance of criminality. "] ​ : Serial-number: AD-8051-5548-2GB : Global-Chief-Federal-Postal-Court-Judge &: Plenipotentiary-Judge. : Mark-kishon: Christopher. : Copy-right/copy-claim.
Indeed.
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Oh dear, the disciple appears to eschew Wynn-Miller's lurve of upper case only drivel. Perhaps this revolution demonstrates the dynamism of this ideology? :nope:

But surely to be global postal judges they need to push quantum grammar into other languages? Or must everybody become an English speaker to have access to their courts?

Sovcits never think things through!
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[:David-wynn: Miller created the famous and globally recognised system of communication which he called quantum grammar . . .
Globally recognized as bullshit.
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Resume18 wrote: Thu Jan 18, 2024 11:01 am
[:David-wynn: Miller created the famous and globally recognised system of communication which he called quantum grammar . . .
Globally recognized as bullshit.
:o How can you say that!!!?? :o

From a disciple at a site called Bluhe Shire (sic):
Quantum-Language-Parse-Syntax-Grammar (QLPSG) is a method of communication It is based on the principles of quantum mechanics, which means that the language is based on facts and cannot be misinterpreted.
[…]
With QLPSG, all sentences must make sense no matter which direction they are read eliminating any potential ambiguities.
[…]
QLPSG is based on the idea that language is a form of energy and that by understanding the quantum mechanics behind it, we can better communicate with each other.
[…]
QLPSG is based on the idea that only nouns have legal meaning and that their meanings are static and absolute. It is composed of 13-word sentences that begin with prepositional phrases, use more nouns than verbs, and includes unorthodox grammar, spelling, punctuation and syntax.
Isn't that wonderful? Or as the late fruitcake himself explained (via Wikipedia) so clearly when explaining the importance of punctuation:
FOR THE FORMS OF OUR PUNCTUATIONS ARE WITH THE CLAIM OF THE USE: FULL-COLON=POSITION-LODIO-FACTS, HYPHEN=COMPOUND-FACTS =KNOWN, PERIOD=END-THOUGHT, COMMA-PAUSE, AND LOCATION-TILDES WITH THE MEANINGS AND USES OF THE COMMUNICATIONS WITH THE FULL-COLON OF THE POSITION-LODIAL-FACT-PHRASE WITH THE FACT/KNOWN-TERM OF THE POSITIONAL-LODIO-FACT-PHRASE AND WITH THE VOID OF THE NOM-DE-GUERRE = DEAD-PERSON.[
Ok, ok, bullshit.

Or MALE-BOVINE-RECTAL-EFFLUVIUM =METAPHOR-DESCRIPTOR NULL-SIGNIFIER
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That translates to latin nicely:

MASCUM BOVINUM RECTAL EFFLUVIUM METAPHORA DESCRIPTOR NULL SIGNIFIER
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Nexus between anti vaxers and sovcit nutters

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-24/ ... /103380174

And Glen Short court date…

NSW Police said they were called to the court at about 10am following reports of a verbal altercation inside a courtroom.

They were escorted from the building by court sheriffs, but one man allegedly refused to leave and was arrested and charged.

Footage of the incident was uploaded to Facebook via the same account that posted the video of the exchange in Port Kembla.

In the video, the group says a man was pepper sprayed during the altercation, but neither NSW Courts police have responded to questions about that claim.

The group was there in support of local man Glen Edward Short, who was convicted in absence of a string of traffic offences, including driving without a licence, driving an unregistered vehicle, refusing to take a breath test and hindering or resisting a police officer in the execution of their duty.

Short shared a video of the interaction on Facebook at the time.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... house.html

A group of 30 sovereign citizens were booted out of a courthouse after turning up to support a man who went viral for refusing a random breath test.

The group showed up to the Wollongong courthouse on Tuesday in support of Glen Edward Short, 52, who is accused of not complying with police on August 7, 2023.

Throughout the hearing Mr Short repeatedly interrupted Magistrate Michael Ong.

Mr Short refused to stand at the bar table when Magistrate Ong called his name, instead announcing in the third person that 'the beneficiary of that man is here'.

The defendant then flew off on a tangent of disjointed observations and questions, noting that the Judge was 'sitting under a unicorn seal' before asking if it was alright to refer to him as Bob, according to Illawarra Mercury.

Magistrate Ong ended the hearing after Mr Short threw a stack of papers across the court and announcing that the 'court has now been placed on judicial notice'.

'You have no jurisdiction as the state of NSW is registered to Washington DC on the Security Exchange Commission,' Mr Short reportedly told the magistrate during his tirade.

After the abrupt ending, court sheriffs and police officers were called to escort the large crowd from the room but one 49-year-old man allegedly refused to leave.

Officers used capsicum spray to coerce the man out of his seat before he was taken out of the court and arrested.

The man was taken to the Wollongong Police Station. He was charged with failure to leave court premises as required by a security officer, not leaving the court at the request of court security, failure to comply with the reasonable direction of a security officer and willfully delaying a security officer.

The man was granted a conditional bail and will appear before Wollongong Local Court on February 13.

Mr Short's hearing continued later in the afternoon after the magistrate made an order prohibiting the group from entering the courthouse.

Ten police officers guarded the entrance while Mr Short entered to complete the day alone.

Several of Mr Short's followers called on others to join them at the courthouse for his trial.

'If you are in Wollongong please get down to Wollongong Court House ASAP. We want as much support down here as possible for Patriot 101,' one wrote online.

Mr Short became a local figurehead after he refused to make a Wollongong Highway Patrol Officer's job easy when he was stopped on the side of a busy highway.

Mr Short filmed the altercation where he referred to himself as a 'self-governed' citizen, accused the cop of not having his consent to look up his personal details, and claimed he beat a chief magistrate in court.

'Do you agree that I've said to you that is a commercial contract with roads and maritime services, and that is a separate corporation to NSW Police force, which is a different ABN,' Mr Short said.

'So you didn't have consent by me, who I am the beneficiary and the executor of that legal fiction name.

'You didn't have the consent to even look up the details of that commercial contract to the RMS because you're a separate corporation. I do study law.'

The video ended with Mr Short telling the police officer he didn't have any jurisdiction over him and that he was leaving.
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Dave from down under wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 8:22 am :snippity:
'You have no jurisdiction as the state of NSW is registered to Washington DC on the Security Exchange Commission,' Mr Short reportedly told the magistrate during his tirade.
:mad: Sovcits in other countries always rant about various chunks of misinterpreted or wholly fictional USA lawstuff, sometimes lightly repurposed for local consumption. :crazy: If those foreign sovcits were as patriotic as they like to claim, they would invent their own nonsense, not steal other people's nonsense.
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Dave from down under wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 8:11 am Nexus between anti vaxers and sovcit nutters
While a bunch of anti-vaxers are probably not SovCits, I have a hunch that most sovicts are anti-vaxers. It fits their already existing world view.
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Sam the Centipede wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 11:11 am
Dave from down under wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 8:22 am :snippity:
'You have no jurisdiction as the state of NSW is registered to Washington DC on the Security Exchange Commission,' Mr Short reportedly told the magistrate during his tirade.
:mad: Sovcits in other countries always rant about various chunks of misinterpreted or wholly fictional USA lawstuff, sometimes lightly repurposed for local consumption. :crazy: If those foreign sovcits were as patriotic as they like to claim, they would invent their own nonsense, not steal other people's nonsense.
To be fair, I think that Mr. Short is claiming that the state of NSW is an American corporation, rather than any kind of Australian government. Obviously, an American corporation has no authority to prosecute an Australian citizen.

He's not the first to offer such a defense, of course. They all miss the fact that, in order to sell bonds or otherwise do business in the US, and to maintain a credit rating, they must be registered with the SEC. It doesn't mean that they are an American corporation. I believe that most, if not all, countries in the world (at least the western, developed ones) are registered with the SEC.

Its probably been fifteen years since a sovcit, anywhere, offered anything new or original. Maybe more. All their arguments are just variants of the same old themes.
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Magic only happens* when the rituals and spells are done correctly!

* to date never successfully in Australia and probably nowhere in the world.
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noblepa wrote: Wed Jan 24, 2024 2:40 pm Its probably been fifteen years since a sovcit, anywhere, offered anything new or original. Maybe more. All their arguments are just variants of the same old themes.
At least 15 years. Most of the SoviCit theology was created in the 60s and added to with the Posse Comitatus in the 70s and early 80s.

The Moorish part was likely a later addition since the PC was also based on Christian Identity, and they see African Americans as mud people (the Moorish claim sounds like a reworking of Christian Identity, i.e., the chosen people).
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