Fogbow

Posted: **Sat Feb 26, 2022 7:03 pm**

Foggy wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 1:43 pm So are the Ukrainians really successfully fighting off the invasion? I'm seeing a lot of reports about individual incidents (thanks, V!), but I'm not seeing the big picture here.

If the Russians attempt to invade and conquer Ukraine and fail because the Ukrainians put up too much of a fight, Putin is going to lose his mind entirely. The whole thing is about proving how tough he is, that would devastate him.

I don't know how many resources he can pour into this thing. If he gets frustrated, can he order another 100,000 troops in? Does he get to the point where if he can't have Ukraine, nobody else can (yeah, I mean the Bomb)?

And all these Americans who backed Putin because 1) Trump did, and 2) they think he's a macho man, what happens to them if it turns out Ukrainian soldiers make Putin look weak? Because that's going to make Biden look strong, in a lot of eyes. What's Fox News gonna say, "Biden and the Ukrainians kicked Putin's ass"? Because that's not what Fox thinks is a good look.

I suspect (hope actually) that Putin knows he doesnt need the bomb. He has Chernobyl to inflict enough pain on Ukraine (which will, of course, spill over into Belarus, but at that point what does he care)

Posted: **Sat Feb 26, 2022 7:09 pm**

Hats off to the reporters covering this for us. In the dark, with their helmets and whatever those jackets are called.

Posted: **Sat Feb 26, 2022 7:29 pm**

Posted: **Sat Feb 26, 2022 7:34 pm**

Did Putin pull a (Dick) Cheney and expect Ukranians to greet them with rose petals? Or was that Rumsfeld?

Posted: **Sat Feb 26, 2022 8:46 pm**

Posted: **Sat Feb 26, 2022 8:48 pm**

The Kyiv Independent @KyivIndependent wrote: Lviv-based Pravda brewery switches to making Molotov cocktails.

The brewery announced the plans after Ukraine’s Defense Ministry instructed civilians to make Molotov cocktails to resist invading Russian forces.

Elizabeth Campbell @ECampbell360 wrote: "We have captured around 200 Russian soldiers, some around 19 years old. Not trained at all. Badly equipped." Ukraninan Major General Borys Kremenetsky says. "We allow them to call their parents. Parents completely surprised."

I've seen reports that Russia is targeting radioactive waste facilities in Ukraine, but it appears to be misinformation.

Posted: **Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:37 pm**

Zelensky is the polar opposite of Trump -

Posted: **Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:41 pm**

To paraphrase something I saw today somewhere...

We elected a game show host and got a clown.
Ukraine elected a comedian and got a hero.

Posted: **Sat Feb 26, 2022 10:41 pm**

Interesting thread. One can hope.

Posted: **Sat Feb 26, 2022 11:45 pm**

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Posted: **Sun Feb 27, 2022 2:49 am**

Posted: **Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:15 am**

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:41 pm To paraphrase something I saw today somewhere...

We elected a game show host and got a clown.
Ukraine elected a comedian and got a hero.

Posted: **Sun Feb 27, 2022 4:21 am**

Chilidog wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 3:15 am
raison de arizona wrote: ↑Sat Feb 26, 2022 9:41 pm To paraphrase something I saw today somewhere...

We elected a game show host and got a clown.
Ukraine elected a comedian and got a hero.

Posted: **Sun Feb 27, 2022 5:14 am**

Illia Ponomarenko @IAPonomarenko
The Bucha-Irpin bridge has been blown up to stop the Russian advancement toward Kyiv in this direction.
Fuck you scumbags.
1:36 AM · Feb 27, 2022

Posted: **Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:05 am**

Yeah, y'know, we had a nickname for soldiers that came out of that region, back in the day.

We called 'em Cossacks.

And Cossacks are, or were, some of the fiercest warriors that ever emerged from the depths of Asia. They were bad ass.

Maybe these Russian soldiers bit off more than they can chew.

Posted: **Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:42 am**

Posted: **Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:49 am**

WaPo

Opinion: What we can expect after Putin’s conquest of Ukraine

Posted: **Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:29 am**

pipistrelle wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:49 am WaPo

Opinion: What we can expect after Putin’s conquest of Ukraine

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions ... at-expect/

Posted: **Sun Feb 27, 2022 9:40 am**

pipistrelle wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 8:49 am WaPo

Opinion: What we can expect after Putin’s conquest of Ukraine

Robert Kagan. Neoconservative piece of shit. Auditioning for a Big Role in TFG's next adminstration, a la Barr.

Not interested in discussing the merits, here; it's all about the message.

Posted: **Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:30 am**

OK, time to retarget USA's nuclear weapons from China to Russia.

Posted: **Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:40 am**

BBC News (World)
@BBCWorld
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Nato chief Jens Stoltenberg says Vladimir Putin's order to the Russian military to put its nuclear forces on a higher level of alert is "dangerous" and "irresponsible"

Live updates here: http://bit.ly/3hjwnYJ

Posted: **Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:52 am**

Putin is trying to scare everyone into letting him continue. Dictators gotta dictate.

Posted: **Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:59 am**

bill_g wrote: ↑Sun Feb 27, 2022 10:52 am Putin is trying to scare everyone into letting him continue. Dictators gotta dictate.

He's not going to nuke anything. He's a "genius" and knows better.

But, tactical nukes (short range, low yield) I'm not so sure.

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