Kriselda Gray wrote: ↑Tue Oct 11, 2022 7:58 pm
Nice tribute, but for some reason the accordian standing in for the horns section cracks me up...
Yeah, that, but all I could think of was that they were auditioning for the Space Force Band.
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:27 am
by Foggy
Mr. Anal Grammar Weenie would like to remind you that the sentence "To boldly go where no man has gone before!" begins with a split infinitive.
Infinitive: To go
Split infinitive: To boldly go
The anal grammar weenies at Northern Illinois University say that "In formal writing, it is considered bad style to split an infinitive," but they are 100% wrong anal language weenies on this one.
In fact, I defy anyone to improve on the sentence above.
"To boldly go where no man has gone before!"
It's a thing of beauty.
Okay, he could have said "or woman" and made it more inclusive, but longer and less catchy.
The verb of the sentence is "go". What's the subject? Boldly?
(Narrator: The subject is implied.)
"To go boldly" sounds stupid. There's no way to improve that thing, so you might as well just pack up and go home.
To boldly pack up and go home!
And therein lies the truth and the moral of the story: Quite often, even in formal writing, the best choice you can make is a split infinitive. I keep a little hatchet on my desk for just such occasions.
Northern Illinois University can kiss my ... foot.
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 10:42 am
by AndyinPA
I used to be very careful about split infinitives until I read that the rule was based on Latin, maybe not a totally dead language, but not a frequently used language other than in the Catholic Church. I decided that went way too far back to use as a rule in English. Now, if the sentence sounds better with the infinitive split, I split it.
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Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2022 3:23 pm
by northland10
There is also the obvious...
When did a spoken introduction on a television show become formal writing?
Different media requires different approaches. I have had some grammar weenies in my choir complain about the grammar in a hymn.
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 3:13 pm
by raison de arizona
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2022 4:43 pm
by AndyinPA
Nice!
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Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2022 2:40 am
by keith
This could go in about 5 different threads I suppose, but here it is.
Warning: Bluegrass content ahead.
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 2:01 pm
by raison de arizona
Look at those little fingers fly!
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:26 pm
by Tiredretiredlawyer
Wow!!!!! He plays with such confidence!!!!!
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:34 pm
by qbawl
Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:26 pm
Wow!!!!! He plays with such confidence!!!!!
Really cool! But I would be remiss if I didn't point out that his pedal technique was a little lackluster.
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:56 pm
by Tiredretiredlawyer
I don't know if Mozart had pedals in mind when he wrote that.
I played that same piece when I was in my 20's. It NEVER sounded like that!
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:13 pm
by keith
Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:56 pm I don't know if Mozart had pedals in mind when he wrote that.
I played that same piece when I was in my 20's. It NEVER sounded like that!
Harpsichords have pedals?
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 8:41 pm
by Kendra
REEDENCE CLEARWATER REVIVAL - LODI (1969)
NOTE: The video here is LODI, album track and B-side of the single 'Green River'. In lieu of an 'official' video I've edited my own using scenes from the 1969 film 'Alice's Restaurant' (featuring Arlo Guthrie playing himself in this film based on his song of the same name).
In Fortunate Son: My Life, My Music, John Fogerty explained that the inspiration for LODI came from trips with his father around central California, an area of the world where he "felt very warm and special."
This seed of an idea grew into a story about a traveling musician whose career "is in the rearview mirror." Fogerty was only 23 when he wrote this song about an aging musician.
For members here on FB, I recommend following this page, great stuff.
Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:56 pm I don't know if Mozart had pedals in mind when he wrote that.
I played that same piece when I was in my 20's. It NEVER sounded like that!
Harpsichords have pedals?
Mozart's Fortepiano did not have pedals. I liked the kid's pedaling since I tend to avoid using pedals in Classical and Baroque-era piano music. It is more of a Romantic era addition (Mozart may have had a device available for the soft pedal, but it could have been a knee thing).
Traditionally, harpsichords do not have pedals. You sustain the sound by keeping your finger down, and it does not matter how hard you hit the key (velocity); it will be the same volume. This is similar to organs. Despite the abundance of pedals on an organ, there is no damper (sustain) pedal, no sostenuto pedal (the middle one), and the soft pedal (you do have expressions shoes on an organ that open and close expressions shades on certain parts of the organ). As with the harpsichord, you sustain a note by keeping your finger on the note (or, in some cases, a pencil wedged to hold the note down). It requires a different style of touch than a piano requires.
Oh yeah, there are some harpsichords with a pedal board like an organ has, which allow the player to play bass notes in the pedals and the rest with the regular keyboard.
Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 6:56 pm I don't know if Mozart had pedals in mind when he wrote that.
I played that same piece when I was in my 20's. It NEVER sounded like that!
Harpsichords have pedals?
Some harpsichord have pedals. They were used by organists such as Bach to practice at home.
A few pianos have organ envy and actually have pedals like an organ. Essentially, it is a second piano, one for the pedals. I imagine it can be a bit complicated. The feet are not nearly sensitive as the hands are when playing (especially in having to vary attack, velocity, and release). On organs, as I said earlier, it is note on, note off. With pianos, you have to try and play a piano touch with the feet.
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:49 pm
by keith
I haz been edumacated.
I know a top flight Aussie harpsichorederer and organist. Ive never seen him play a harpsichord with pedals.
I can't find him on utube, but Harold Fabricant has written books on the organ and has been made a Member of The Order of Australia (AM) for medicine and music.
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Posted: Tue Oct 18, 2022 10:04 pm
by northland10
keith wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:49 pm
I haz been edumacated.
I know a top flight Aussie harpsichorederer and organist. Ive never seen him play a harpsichord with pedals.
I can't find him on utube, but Harold Fabricant has written books on the organ and has been made a Member of The Order of Australia (AM) for medicine and music.
He seems to have a thing for Sigfrid Karg-Elert. I have gotten a fair amount of mileage out of Karg-Elert's stuff.
keith wrote: ↑Tue Oct 18, 2022 9:49 pm
I haz been edumacated.
I know a top flight Aussie harpsichorederer and organist. Ive never seen him play a harpsichord with pedals.
I can't find him on utube, but Harold Fabricant has written books on the organ and has been made a Member of The Order of Australia (AM) for medicine and music.
He seems to have a thing for Sigfrid Karg-Elert. I have gotten a fair amount of mileage out of Karg-Elert's stuff.
UTR 7.324 – THE HAROLD FABRIKANT FUND
Background
A. The University [of Melbourne] received the sum of $ 1,225,000.00 (Gift) from Harold
Fabrikant (Donor) to establish, in perpetuity, The Harold Fabrikant Fund
(Fund).
B. The purpose of the Fund is to support in perpetuity enhanced training and
performance opportunities for students of classical music beyond those
offered through the standard music curriculum of the Conservatorium of Music
at the University. (Purpose).
C. The Donor has had combined careers in medicine (diagnostic radiology) and
music and was a student at the University of Melbourne graduating with a MB
BS in1966. The donor holds the following academic qualifications and honors
- A.Mus.A ( 1958);MB BS ( 1966); FRANZCR ( 1971); FRCR(1975);LL.D (h.c.
Monash 2001);Honorary Member ( 1998) and Fellow ( 2007) of the Karg-Elert
Archive , UK. As a musician, the Donor featured in over 50 ABC broadcasts
from 1958 to 1993 most as an organist. From 1960 the Donor made
appearances at the Melbourne Town Hall as an organist most recently
working with the University of Melbourne Symphony Orchestra in 2018 on a
live recording of work by French composer Charles-Marie Vidor. The Donor
has featured in about 100 public concerts in Melbourne, interstate and in New
Zealand, USA and England as organist or harpsichordist. The donor has
written books on the life and writings of Sigfrid Karg-Elert, on the forgotten
piano music of Charles-Marie Vidor and multiple articles in Australian Organ
Society journals.
The honors list above does not include his AM which he received only last year.
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:39 am
by much ado
As northland pointed out above, Mozart's fortepiano did not have pedals. You can hear Mozart's own fortepiano, the one in northland's picture, being played at this link...
It's interesting. It has a harder sound than a modern piano, more like a harpsichord.
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:56 am
by much ado
Here is the famous organist E. Power Biggs (1908-1977) playing Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor on a pedal harpsichord. It is a wonderful performance.
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 10:16 am
by northland10
much ado wrote: ↑Wed Oct 19, 2022 12:39 am
As northland pointed out above, Mozart's fortepiano did not have pedals. You can hear Mozart's own fortepiano, the one in northland's picture, being played at this link...
It's interesting. It has a harder sound than a modern piano, more like a harpsichord.
It's a fortepiano and not a pianoforte which is a later development of the fortepiano. Modern pianos are pianofortes.
I was looking for an example and came across a 2-part video showing the development from the clavichord to the modern piano. The second video covers the older fortepiano, such as we see in the Mozart video, compared with the modern 9-foot Steinway. I think the historical replica instruments in the video are his own personal ones, as he has a bunch of different types of keyboards at his home. I don't know if the modern one is his or belongs to the Music Institute of Chicago, where they recorded the video.
His historic pianos have knee pedals for an early damper and mute pedal.
Near the end of the second video, he mentions how you might not play historical pieces on historical instruments. Still, they can inform how you play it on a modern instrument which is a point I made above about the kid not using the pedals. I tend to avoid using them much to try for the same stylistic reasons as David mentions in the video.
Oh, yeah, he is also a very good organist.
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 2:03 pm
by raison de arizona
It's a shame the video is cut off.
A full performance from 1971:
► Show Spoiler
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:12 pm
by John Thomas8
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Posted: Wed Oct 19, 2022 11:18 pm
by John Thomas8
Recording engineers everywhere are pulling their hair out 'cause they can't get this sound:
I don't know if Mozart had pedals in mind when he wrote that. 