Fogbow

Posted: **Tue Jun 06, 2023 8:05 pm**

"This incident occurred toward the end of the Huguenot High School graduation and we have canceled the Thomas Jefferson High School graduation scheduled for later tonight. It will be rescheduled soon," the spokesperson said.

from https://www.cbsnews.com/news/7-shot-in- ... -shooting/

Posted: **Tue Jun 06, 2023 8:12 pm**

It had to happen sometime…sadly.

Posted: **Tue Jun 06, 2023 8:16 pm**

Reports now say 2 victims have died.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2023 3:07 am**

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-06-08/ ... /102456974

The trial has begun of a former sheriff's deputy charged with failing to protect students during a 2018 shooting at a high school in Parkland, Florida.

Key points:
Scot Peterson was on duty as a resource officer when the gunman entered the school building and opened fire
Prosecutors say he was the only law enforcement person at the school and trained in active shooter scenarios
The sheriff's office claims he never entered the building while the shooting was underway

A Florida prosecutor and a defence attorney traded opening arguments on Wednesday at the trial of Scot Peterson, accused of failing to intervene during the February 2018 mass shooting at Parkland's Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School.

Sixty-year-old Mr Peterson was on duty as a school resource officer when a gunman entered a building in February 14, 2018, and opened fire, killing 17 and wounding another 17.

He never went inside while the shooting was underway, according to the Broward County Sheriff's Office and surveillance video.

Mr Peterson was charged in 2019 with 11 criminal charges of child neglect, culpable negligence and perjury, carrying a combined maximum prison sentence of nearly 97 years.

It is highly unusual for law enforcement officers to be charged with failing to take action or provide care, raising the possibility that Mr Peterson's trial will set legal precedents.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2023 6:22 am**

Now do the scores of officers who were at Uvalde.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:06 am**

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:59 am**

Remove the protection from being sued of the merchants of death.
Makers and sellers are culpable of the harm their guns and ammunition does.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:54 am**

Dave from down under wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:59 am Remove the protection from being sued of the merchants of death.
Makers and sellers are culpable of the harm their guns and ammunition does.

Posted: **Thu Jun 08, 2023 10:37 am**

Tiredretiredlawyer wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 8:54 am
Dave from down under wrote: ↑Thu Jun 08, 2023 7:59 am Remove the protection from being sued of the merchants of death.
Makers and sellers are culpable of the harm their guns and ammunition does.

Posted: **Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:42 pm**

K-12 School Shooting Database @K12ssdb wrote: Court found the school police officer did not have a duty to protect the 17 victims of the school shooting in Parkland, FL. Not guilty of all charges.

Prompts the question, what is the purpose and role of school police officers going forward after this ruling?

Too bad tfg wasn't there, he would have run in and saved them all. So he says.

Posted: **Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:54 pm**

If he would have run in that building with his issue sidearm we would have hed 17 dead kids and 1 dead "resource officer". One guy with a handgun against a guy spraying bullets with an AR-15 doesn't stand a chance.

Posted: **Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:56 pm**

RVInit wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:54 pm If he would have run in that building with his issue sidearm we would have hed 17 dead kids and 1 dead "resource officer". One guy with a handgun against a guy spraying bullets with an AR-15 doesn't stand a chance.

So is your argument that school police officers are useless, or that they should be armed with assault rifles?

Posted: **Thu Jun 29, 2023 4:53 pm**

raison de arizona wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:56 pm
RVInit wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:54 pm If he would have run in that building with his issue sidearm we would have hed 17 dead kids and 1 dead "resource officer". One guy with a handgun against a guy spraying bullets with an AR-15 doesn't stand a chance.
So is your argument that school police officers are useless, or that they should be armed with assault rifles?

My argument is that nobody needs to have an assault rifle and they should be illegal.

Posted: **Thu Jun 29, 2023 5:27 pm**

RVInit wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 4:53 pm
raison de arizona wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:56 pm
RVInit wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:54 pm If he would have run in that building with his issue sidearm we would have hed 17 dead kids and 1 dead "resource officer". One guy with a handgun against a guy spraying bullets with an AR-15 doesn't stand a chance.
So is your argument that school police officers are useless, or that they should be armed with assault rifles?
My argument is that nobody needs to have an assault rifle and they should be illegal.

I like that plan!

Posted: **Thu Jun 29, 2023 7:18 pm**

RVInit wrote: ↑Thu Jun 29, 2023 3:54 pm If he would have run in that building with his issue sidearm we would have hed 17 dead kids and 1 dead "resource officer". One guy with a handgun against a guy spraying bullets with an AR-15 doesn't stand a chance.

Not sure I agree.

The weapons might be unbalanced in one direction, but training is in the other. The officer doesn't even need to kill the shooter, just keep him occupied or pinned down in an area. This isn't some open arena dual where DPS wins, keeping the guy hunkered down so he isn't shot would still be a win.

Posted: **Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:24 pm**

The point remains that "A good guy with a gun" is useless. Just like 33 good guys with guns in Uvalde were useless.

Posted: **Sat Jul 01, 2023 6:27 am**

Kobayashi Maru.

It was sick to indict him and I'm glad the jury agreed.

The gun situation in this country gets normalized a little more every day, by exhaustion, helplessness, and time. But it is still madness.

Posted: **Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:05 am**

p0rtia wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 6:27 am Kobayashi Maru.

It was sick to indict him and I'm glad the jury agreed.

The gun situation in this country gets normalized a little more every day, by exhaustion, helplessness, and time. But it is still madness.

In an ideal world, the people who put him in that situation should have been indicted. Over the last few decades we have seen an explosion of police embedded in schools, sucking away money and promising all sorts of benefits that time and time again appear to be non-existent. There really need to be some kind of punishment for 'hey, your stupid fear mongering plan not only causes problems but fails to do what it promises'.

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:46 pm**

neeneko wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:05 am
p0rtia wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 6:27 am Kobayashi Maru.

It was sick to indict him and I'm glad the jury agreed.

The gun situation in this country gets normalized a little more every day, by exhaustion, helplessness, and time. But it is still madness.
In an ideal world, the people who put him in that situation should have been indicted. Over the last few decades we have seen an explosion of police embedded in schools, sucking away money and promising all sorts of benefits that time and time again appear to be non-existent. There really need to be some kind of punishment for 'hey, your stupid fear mongering plan not only causes problems but fails to do what it promises'.

I think all schools should have a police office in them, for the local police to do routine paperwork and such, as opposed to the normal police department, It would cost next to nothing and would put real bet cops into schools on the regular, but just make them part of the scenery. The kids grow up used to them, know that they come and go and are (if they can behave) a relatively benign presence and if a gunman shows up, well, you have a cop or two on scene.
It also gets the local police more familiar with the schools physical layout and makes it more likely they recognize who should be there and who shouldn't in an emergency.

They have to do the paperwork somewhere, why not make it in the schools? Just put a small office with a desk or two, a computer etc... stuff they'd e sitting behind locked security doors otherwise.

Just a thought. One of those things that will become absolute law when I achieve world domination.

Posted: **Sun Jul 02, 2023 10:32 pm**

Gregg wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:46 pm The kids grow up used to them, know that they come and go and are (if they can behave) a relatively benign presence and if a gunman shows up, well, you have a cop or two on scene.

The growing up used to them is a bit of a double edged sword. Over the years, programs that integrate police into the community they are serving has often really helped.

The same can not be said for putting police in schools. In schools, the police are not serving the students, they are serving the parents. This creates problems since all you really end up with is another power imbalance, students do not see the police as something there for them, but something there to be used against them, and the police actions tend to line up with that.

You also run into the 'when your only tool is a hammer' problem. When you embed police, they tend to get used... this results in _some_ people having their schoolyard scale behavioral issues escalated to the juvenile justice system. Since the police are not serving the students or their community, this means selective enforcement along the lines of what some external community believes it should be, which usually means minority kids get escalated while good white christian kids, well, everyone knows those are just boys being boys.

Pretty much any time you have a disconnect between the group being policed and the group steering the police run into these problems, but with schools, and their massive power imbalance, it can get pretty bad and, since it aligns with what outsiders think the natural outcome should be, it is generally very difficult to address.

Posted: **Mon Jul 03, 2023 4:18 am**

Gregg wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:46 pm Just a thought. One of those things that will become absolute law when I achieve world domination.

Well, can ya hurry up and get it done? We need a proper overlord who'll get these damn treasonous bastards out of our government!

Posted: **Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:23 pm**

𝕁𝕒𝕪𝕟𝕖 🟧 🌈&👊🏾𝐚𝐥𝐥𝐲 #𝙗𝙖𝙣𝙉𝙍𝘼 🌊 @EnneaGr8 wrote: A mom here in my county, through tears, said she purchased a bullet-proof insert to put in her daughter's backpack. She couldn't buy the one that stops AR-15 bullets because it weighed almost as much as her 5-year-old. This is our reality in Texas.
#ProudBluePeace #DemVoice1

Posted: **Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:07 pm**

Gregg wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2023 11:24 pm The point remains that "A good guy with a gun" is useless. Just like 33 good guys with guns in Uvalde were useless.

this 100000000000000000000000000000000%

Posted: **Wed Jul 19, 2023 10:10 pm**

Gregg wrote: ↑Sun Jul 02, 2023 9:46 pm
neeneko wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 9:05 am
p0rtia wrote: ↑Sat Jul 01, 2023 6:27 am Kobayashi Maru.

It was sick to indict him and I'm glad the jury agreed.

The gun situation in this country gets normalized a little more every day, by exhaustion, helplessness, and time. But it is still madness.
In an ideal world, the people who put him in that situation should have been indicted. Over the last few decades we have seen an explosion of police embedded in schools, sucking away money and promising all sorts of benefits that time and time again appear to be non-existent. There really need to be some kind of punishment for 'hey, your stupid fear mongering plan not only causes problems but fails to do what it promises'.
I think all schools should have a police office in them, for the local police to do routine paperwork and such, as opposed to the normal police department, It would cost next to nothing and would put real bet cops into schools on the regular, but just make them part of the scenery. The kids grow up used to them, know that they come and go and are (if they can behave) a relatively benign presence and if a gunman shows up, well, you have a cop or two on scene.
It also gets the local police more familiar with the schools physical layout and makes it more likely they recognize who should be there and who shouldn't in an emergency.

They have to do the paperwork somewhere, why not make it in the schools? Just put a small office with a desk or two, a computer etc... stuff they'd e sitting behind locked security doors otherwise.

as a teacher, I like this idea

Just a thought. One of those things that will become absolute law when I achieve world domination.

Posted: **Mon Aug 07, 2023 9:05 pm**

It appears the cousin of the Uvalde shooter was planning a school shooting of his own.

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