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raison de arizona wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 12:58 pm White male fragility. She's talking about white male fragility.

Mueller, She Wrote @MuellerSheWrote wrote: The loudest voices calling for Biden to step aside - Bill Kristol, the Pod Save bros, Charlie Sykes, Tim Miller, David Corn, Tom Nichols, Steve Schmidt - they all have something in common. Can’t quite put my finger on it.

Some of them I listen to on the regular. They are looking at it from the perspective of an opposition campaign staff. I think they will be proven wrong and most of them would be willing to admit it if they are. All of them will vote for Biden if he is on the ballot.

Alyssa is also the fruit of the loins of Pornstache: Birther Joseph Farah of World Nut Daily.

Alyssa Farah Griffin - Wikipedia
June 8, 2023 - Her father, Joseph Farah, is a journalist of Syrian and Lebanese descent who was executive news editor at the Los Angeles Herald Examiner before moving to Northern California to become editor of The Sacramento Union in 1990. He later founded the far-right website WorldNetDaily.

So basically what they're all saying is that Biden sucks at the annual Festivus feats of strength competition? Why else would they keep harping on his stamina?

Luke wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 1:43 pm Alyssa is also the fruit of the loins of Pornstache: Birther Joseph Farah of World Nut Daily.

Alyssa Farah Griffin - Wikipedia
June 8, 2023 - Her father, Joseph Farah, is a journalist of Syrian and Lebanese descent who was executive news editor at the Los Angeles Herald Examiner before moving to Northern California to become editor of The Sacramento Union in 1990. He later founded the far-right website WorldNetDaily.

I take umbrage with her father being described as a journalist

I've listened to the arguments of most of the ex-GOP operatives who say that Biden must step down for the good of the country.

Their bottom line is they want fuckhead to lose, whatever it takes. I think they would end marriage equality, Medicare, and SSI if it meant a guarantee he would lose. This has always been, IMHO, a point of difference between the two major parties as they used to be.

They mostly don't want Kamala either. They are urgent, panicky, and pretty unconvincing, because they don't get very far past the "he should resign" moment to think of the ramifications. Miller, who is okay with Kamala, at least, brought up the issue of "how can you bypass the first Black woman VP"? The response from Sarah Longwell (whom I adore) was "she's not that popular with the Black community; I don't think it would be a big deal.

As always here, after the fall, it's astonishing how the chattering class completely ignores those of us who don't storm Capitols or threaten judges or y'know, break the law in big ways.

IMO, they stand for nothing. They see the problem (as do i and everyone here) about the fall of democracy, but the include ways to stop it that are amoral, racist, and in no way even close to guaranteed to succeed.

Sarah Longwell is one of several who does focus groups. There is a small segment of voters who will flip from Biden to Trump and vice-versa. But in general, they are not in sync with the punditry about the debate. The hard Trump supporters are sticking with Trump, others include former Trump voters who do not like either choice and the debate made that worse, but they will not vote Trump. Some of them are going to Biden due to Trump assholery and lying during the debate, plus how the media is now treating Biden. So in a weird way, this debate may turn out to be be a net gain for Biden.

That tracks with every focus group I’ve seen. Which is like three. I’ve seen three focus groups.

My favorite was the Univision one. ALL the undecided there flipped to Biden after watching the debate. Perhaps something to do with “Black and Hispanic jobs,” but what do I know?

I think the campaign could have shut down a lot of the editorials and some of the pundits if they wanted to, but they let it go for a few days. If nothing else, it provides a nice contrast against all the Steves and all the Millers coming out to say Trump is the best debater of all time and even the golf pros can't beat him on the course.

Eh? Um... after the decades of Media bullshit and Benggghhhhaaaaazzzzziiiii and Fast and furious and Bernie Sanders and Butter Emails, how are you thinking that the Campaign could have snapped its fingers and stopped all this "just asking the question"???

Is this more blaming the victim for just not telling them to stop hard enough?

Michelle Kay Camp @freelancelawmom wrote: When my husband told me the debate started at 9pm I said “at NIGHT?!” Couldn’t be me

Stuart Heritage @stuheritage wrote: Am... Am I Joe Biden?

Joe Biden ‘gets tired after 4pm’

Donald Trump could shoot Joe Biden dead on 5th Avenue and I would still vote for Biden.

Weekend at Bernie’s that shit. I don’t care.

Good thing Biden is actually a good candidate though.

Yeah it does. Ignore the noise.
https://x.com/bidenswins/status/1807491296992649332

Biden’s Wins @BidensWins wrote: BREAKING: Polling following Thursday’s debate shows Democrats coalescing around President Biden and his poll numbers soaring.

Facts.
https://x.com/carlosegates1/status/1807464962824282475

Carlos E. Gates @CarlosEGates1 wrote: They say Trump has it all locked up. They will say Biden has dementia, is a child molester, communist, even murderer.

Their plan: keep hitting you with the lie of the “inevitable” and you don’t bother voting.

FACT: If we all turn out, it will be a LANDSLIDE win for Biden.

Poll numbers from Black voters, gee, it doesn't look that bad.
https://x.com/notcapnamerica/status/1807537227968504264

chris evans @notcapnamerica wrote: CBS News Post Debate Reactions from Black voters:

1. Debate Performance - Who Won:
- Biden: 39%
- Trump: 25%

2. Better Debate Performance - Told the Truth:
- Biden: 63%
- Neither: 19%
- Trump: 10%
- Both: 8%

3. U.S. Democracy and Rule of Law:
- Only if Joe Biden wins: 60%
- Only if Donald Trump wins: 12%
- It will be safe if either wins: 13%
- It will not be safe either way: 14%

4. Better Debate Performance - Addressed Important Issues:
- Biden: 42%
- Both: 21%
- Neither: 21%
- Trump: 15%

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5. Mental and Cognitive Health:
- Only Joe Biden: 38%
- Neither: 31%
- Both: 15%
- Only Donald Trump: 16%

6. Biden Should Run for President:
- Biden should be running: 55%
- Biden should not be running: 45%

7. Trump Should Run for President:
- Trump should not be running: 74%
- Trump should be running: 26%

8. Better Debate Performance - Appeared Presidential:
- Biden: 42%
- Neither: 27%
- Both: 12%
- Trump: 19%

9. Financial Condition if Biden Wins:
- Stay about the same: 54%
- Financially better off: 28%
- Financially worse off: 18%

10. Better Debate Performance - Explained Plans and Policies:
- Biden: 38%
- Both: 23%
- Neither: 25%
- Trump: 14%

11. Better Debate Performance - Inspired Confidence:
- Neither: 42%
- Biden: 28%
- Trump: 17%
- Both: 13%

12. Better Debate Performance - Presented Ideas Clearly:
- Both: 21%
- Neither: 30%
- Biden: 27%
- Trump: 22%

13. Financial Condition if Trump Wins:
- Financially worse off: 56%
- Stay about the same: 21%
- Financially better off: 22%

This is a Gen-Z influencer named Isaiah Martin, I don't know him from a hole in a wall, but he gets it, and he is Fucking Powerful in his delivery. Well worth your three minutes. This man has a future. I love him. Volume up, you won't get the full force and fury from the captions.

Bill Madden @maddenifico wrote: This here is pure

Missed the poll, but I am of the opinion that President Biden should drop out now and pass the torch to Hakeem Jeffries, Pete Buttigieg, or Gavin Newsom. Or possibly Vice-President Harris, but I would be nervous about her polling.

A ticket with her at the top could include one of the other three as VP.

John M Woodman wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 9:46 pm Missed the poll, but I am of the opinion that President Biden should drop out now and pass the torch to Hakeem Jeffries, Pete Buttigieg, or Gavin Newsom.

That’s not how it works.

The delegates are not bound if President Biden bows out.

If President Biden were to announce he is dropping out, and urge all Democrats to rally behind, say, Vice President Harris, and starts making public appearances with that candidate, I find it likely that President Biden's choice would emerge as the nominee.

The more I think about it... Kamala Harris and Pete Buttigieg.

Those discussions would have been great a year ago, but now the voters have decided that Biden is going to be our standard bearer and we need to get behind him in order to defeat tfg. Where were all these people when Biden was getting 85%+ of the vote in primaries across the fruited plain?

Because he was the incumbent, of course he was going to be the nominee.

That's how incumbency, in American political culture, generally works — at least as long as the incumbent hasn't done anything absolutely horrific that would disqualify them. In this case, President Biden has generally done a good job as President. Far better, I think, than he's been given credit for.

If Trump is re-elected, there is zero doubt that he will do his best to make himself America's first "President for LIfe," and destroy our Constitutional republic.

He came damn close last time. This time he will have the help of an entire government — including the USSC — filled with his toadies, who will unanimously back him up.

This is an existential crisis for the nation. I say we have to go with what will give us the best hope of blocking its destruction.

I love President Biden, but I no longer believe he gives us the best hope of preserving the fundamental structure of the nation.

The system is what it is. The primaries were the place to put forward a different standard bearer. We didn't. Now we're stuck with our decision, it's too late to change our horse in the middle of the race. I'm far from a Biden cheerleader, I've been against him at every chance I got and although I voted for him in 2020, I've never voted for him anywhere else. Period. But you run what you brung and it's time to get onboard and unite against the common foe.

Well, I think it's ultimately his call.

But at this point, I think he should do it, and probably put forward Vice President Harris and Pete Buttigieg as VP.

Any way we go, I think America is in pretty much of an existentially dangerous situation.

Your John Adams quote is unfortunately highly relevant.

John M Woodman wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2024 10:25 pm Well, I think it's ultimately his call.

But at this point, I think he should do it, and probably put forward Vice President Harris and Pete Buttigieg as VP.

Any way we go, I think America is in pretty much of an existentially dangerous situation.

Your John Adams quote is unfortunately highly relevant.

Hey, I'm a card carrying Kamala booster, BTDT got the t-shirt: And I'm a certified Mayor Pete fanboy. But even if I thought it was a good idea, I don't see how the mechanics could work at this late date. Republicans will ratfuck the ballots and not let them on, we'll be past the deadlines in multiple states. It's just too late, and we have to boost Biden at this point, he's our man and we need to stand behind him.