United States v. Josh Duggar

[filly]

He molested some of his sisters, the sisters said.

[bob]

What molestations?

Josh allegedly molested several people in the aughts, when he was a teenager.

He was never tried due to statute of limitations. My first thought was delayed discovery only now showing someone (i.e., the charged sister) knew and didn't do anything. (Beyond the evidence already known showing the family was aware of Josh's actions.) But even if true, there seem like too many defenses that a prosecutor would take a chance.

[Maybenaut]

What molestations?

Josh allegedly molested several people in the aughts, when he was a teenager.

He was never tried due to statute of limitations. My first thought was delayed discovery only now showing someone (i.e., the charged sister) knew and didn't do anything. (Beyond the evidence already known showing the family was aware of Josh's actions.) But even if true, there seem like too many defenses that a prosecutor would take a chance.

I think it’s unlikely that her charges have anything to do with him. Even under a continuing offense theory the statute of limitations would have run a long time ago.

[Lani]

There is a rumor that a neighbor found a toddler alone in the street near the Duggar house and she called the police. But it's just a rumor.

[Maybenaut]

Sounds likely. According to this article, she was charged on 10 September for an incident that happened the day before.

https://www.lifeandstylemag.com/posts/j ... minor/amp/

[Lani]

When looking for information about Jena's arrest, I came across a several articles about women and girls who fled from the cult. Basically, the "church" accepts rape. If a male wants sex with a female, it's the female's fault because she was enticing the man/boy. Wrong expression, wrong hairdo, wrong clothing, etc. The women and girls are not protected b/c if a man assaults them, it proves that the girls and women are sinners. Basically, they were asking for it.

[johnpcapitalist]

Not strictly about Josh, but it could well be partly due to the stench surrounding him:

Papa Duggar was trounced in the GOP primary for an Arkansas state senate seat, winning only 456 votes (about 15% of those cast). Even his one of his sons-in-law backed his opponent.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jim-bob-d ... enate-seat

[Lani]

Papa Duggar was trounced in the GOP primary for an Arkansas state senate seat, winning only 456 votes (about 15% of those cast). Even his one of his sons-in-law backed his opponent.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/jim-bob-d ... enate-seat

That would be Derick:

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[Luke]

Cross posting from the "Here Comes Honey Boo Boo, Again! Titular Mama June Shannon - It's Complicated Again. Still The Fogbow's Favourite Show!™" topic, even though everybody at The Fogbow rushes to read every update. The titular Mama June was RIGHT about Josh! But for the tiny, tiny few:

Honey Boo Boo’ Star Mama June Rips TLC for Backing Duggars: ‘They Treated Us So Wrong’
”What Josh did and what happened to the Duggar family was a whole lot worse than what we were doing,“ reality star tells TheWrap
Linda Ge | June 12, 2015 @ 12:49 PM

“Here Comes Honey Boo Boo” star “Mama” June Shannon is doubling down on her issues with TLC for failing to cancel “19 Kids and Counting” after the religious family was struck by a sexual assault scandal last month. While TLC has made no decision about the future of “19 Kids,” Shannon claimed the network canceled “Here Comes Honey Boo Boo” seven hours after allegations arose that Shannon was dating a convicted child molester. She has denied being in a relationship with the man, and still denies it. “I do think it’s a double standard,” Shannon told TheWrap. “They’re kind of like backing them. They have a lot of high exec people hanging out with them.”

Josh, the eldest of Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar’s children on TLC’s “19 Kids and Counting,” has admitted to fondling five underage girls, including four of his own sisters, when he was a young teen. He has since resigned from his position with the Family Research Council. Three weeks after the information first became public, TLC has not made an official decision about the future of the show aside from yanking all currently airing episodes from the air. Shannon said that based on her own experience, she suspects that TLC execs have been coaching the Duggars in all of their public appearances, including the interview Fox News’ Megyn Kelly broadcast with Jim Bob and Michelle Duggar as well as daughters Jill Dillard and Jessa Seewald.

“They’re telling them what to say, or what to do, or not what to do. Because that’s how they worked with us. ‘This is what you’re gonna say, you’re gonna stick to it,'” Shannon said. “When we went through the canceling of the show, they wouldn’t let us put our own statements out. They wrote them up and they were released to the public as a write-up mock interview.” Network reps have not responded to TheWrap’s requests for comment. Shannon also believes the Duggar situation is far more serious and troubling than anything she and her family did.

“What Josh did and what happened to the Duggar family was a whole lot worse than what we were doing,” she said. “I didn’t cover up anything, I was honest from the very beginning. I didn’t touch anybody, I didn’t lie. I haven’t lied. The kids have not lied.” In October, Shannon was accused of carrying on a relationship with Mark McDaniel, a 53-year-old who served 10 years in prison for molesting an 8-year-old relative of Shannon’s. The abuse of the child included forced oral sex. McDaniel was released in March and he’s now a registered sex offender in Georgia. “I would never ever, ever put my kids in danger. I love my kids too much,” Shannon said in a statement at the time. “That is my past. I have not seen that person in 10 years.”

TLC officially announced “Here Comes Honey Boo Boo” had been canceled the next day. Shannon previously said she is considering suing TLC for the unfair way “Honey Boo Boo” was treated in light of the Duggar scandal, but nothing has moved beyond meeting with her lawyers. “We have not went any further than weighing options,” she said.

There have been rumors that TLC could spin off “19 Kids and Counting” with a show centering on popular members of the family, Jill and Jessa, two sisters who are both newlyweds and who both recently revealed they were two of Josh’s victims. And Shannon teased the “Honey Boo Boo” gang will be back on TV in the near future. “We will be back on TV one way or the other,” Shannon said, promising an announcement in the next month or so. “But we will not be back on the TLC network.”

https://www.thewrap.com/honey-boo-boo-s ... -so-wrong/

[LM K]

Former reality-TV star Josh Duggar asks for acquittal in child pornography case

A jury found Josh Duggar, subject of the hit reality-TV show "19 Kids and Counting," guilty of possessing and receiving child pornography last month and now his lawyer is asking the court to acquit Duggar.

Duggar's attorney filed a motion on Wednesday asking the court to acquit his client of downloading and possessing child pornography, arguing Duggar was unfairly prevented from calling a "necessary witness" during the seven-day trial, according to Insider.

That witness was an employee of Duggar's used car lot in Arkansas, where federal authorities discovered a computer that had been used to download videos and photos of child sexual abuse. The employee was a registered sex offender who had "regularly used the desktop computer in the months and weeks leading up to May 2019," according to Duggar's attorney.

This employee was able to provide evidence that he was traveling out of state when Josh downloaded porn.

I'm not sure why the defense thinks his testimony would have helped Josh at trial.

The motion also details how the former employee sent an email to prosecutors saying they were in fact at Duggar's used car lot between May 8-11 but did not recall if they had used Duggar's computer. The employee allegedly sent another follow up email to prosecutors after the trial had started, which included social media passwords of several other Duggar siblings.

All the emails exchanged amount to Duggar being "deprived of materially exculpatory evidence until the evening before the government rested its case," said Duggar's attorneys, according to Insider.

If the motion to acquit is denied, Duggar's attorney is requesting a new trial be granted.

[Azastan]

Former reality-TV star Josh Duggar asks for acquittal in child pornography case

The employee was a registered sex offender who had "regularly used the desktop computer in the months and weeks leading up to May 2019," according to Duggar's attorney.

Not too sure why someone with a confessed addiction to child pornography would want to hire a registered sex offender who would have access to office computers, unless it was to hide the fact that said employer was downloading porn and wanted a convenient scapegoat.

[RVInit]

Former reality-TV star Josh Duggar asks for acquittal in child pornography case

The employee was a registered sex offender who had "regularly used the desktop computer in the months and weeks leading up to May 2019," according to Duggar's attorney.

Not too sure why someone with a confessed addiction to child pornography would want to hire a registered sex offender who would have access to office computers, unless it was to hide the fact that said employer was downloading porn and wanted a convenient scapegoat.

It could also be Duggar and his employee's take on Navy Seal Gallagher and what happened at his trial. At Gallagher's trial a man that had been granted immunity got on the witness stand and claimed that he had taken the action that killed the ISIS prisoner, knowing he could help Gallagher get off without endangering himself. I guess this employee of Duggar knows there is absolutely no evidence that he could possibly have been the one to download the materials. So he could get on the stand and possibly get one juror to start thinking someone else could have done it, but not actually risk himself being charged.

[Maybenaut]

Former reality-TV star Josh Duggar asks for acquittal in child pornography case

Not too sure why someone with a confessed addiction to child pornography would want to hire a registered sex offender who would have access to office computers, unless it was to hide the fact that said employer was downloading porn and wanted a convenient scapegoat.

It could also be Duggar and his employee's take on Navy Seal Gallagher and what happened at his trial. At Gallagher's trial a man that had been granted immunity got on the witness stand and claimed that he had taken the action that killed the ISIS prisoner, knowing he could help Gallagher get off without endangering himself. I guess this employee of Duggar knows there is absolutely no evidence that he could possibly have been the one to download the materials. So he could get on the stand and possibly get one juror to start thinking someone else could have done it, but not actually risk himself being charged.

But could he do that without puttering himself or opening himself to a charge of lying to law enforcement? Isn’t he already on record as saying he was out of town?

[sad-cafe]

He is guilty as f$#@k

[RVInit]

But could he do that without puttering himself or opening himself to a charge of lying to law enforcement? Isn’t he already on record as saying he was out of town?

No. HE did not give any statement because police investigation showed him to be out of town. This is why he knows he can try to say HE did it and not actually be charged. Because he KNOWS they already KNOW he was out of town. I'm not saying their plan would actually WORK, just that they are trying the same route that got Gallagher off. What got Gallagher off was someone who was NOT at risk of being found guilty (or even TRIED for that matter) testifying in someone else's trial that "I'm the one who did it".

[sad-cafe]

are my posts going through?

[Maybenaut]

But could he do that without puttering himself or opening himself to a charge of lying to law enforcement? Isn’t he already on record as saying he was out of town?

No. HE did not give any statement because police investigation showed him to be out of town. This is why he knows he can try to say HE did it and not actually be charged. Because he KNOWS they already KNOW he was out of town. I'm not saying their plan would actually WORK, just that they are trying the same route that got Gallagher off. What got Gallagher off was someone who was NOT at risk of being found guilty (or even TRIED for that matter) testifying in someone else's trial that "I'm the one who did it".

According to this Insider article (which was linked in The Hill article above), he did give a statement to federal authorities and prosecutors.

https://www.insider.com/josh-duggar-req ... yee-2022-1

I think it’s unlikely in the extreme that a sex offender would admit to committing another sex offense without some guarantee that he wouldn’t be prosecuted. The one thing the Gallagher witness had that this witness doesn’t have is immunity. Here’s the risk to this guy as a witness: They think he’s lying about being in town and they charge him with perjury if he testifies that he was, or they think he’s telling the truth about being in town and they charge him with downloading child pornography. And, of course, if he now says anything inconsistent with his interviews with authorities, he can be charged with that.

Assuming this witness is even willing to testify for Duggar and would actually say all the stuff Duggar claims he would say (and I haven’t seen the motion, only The Hill article posted above, and The Insider article linked by The Hill), my money is on the state explaining the risks to the witness, and that’s going to be the end of it. I would be shocked if this actually goes anywhere.

[RVInit]

But could he do that without puttering himself or opening himself to a charge of lying to law enforcement? Isn’t he already on record as saying he was out of town?

No. HE did not give any statement because police investigation showed him to be out of town. This is why he knows he can try to say HE did it and not actually be charged. Because he KNOWS they already KNOW he was out of town. I'm not saying their plan would actually WORK, just that they are trying the same route that got Gallagher off. What got Gallagher off was someone who was NOT at risk of being found guilty (or even TRIED for that matter) testifying in someone else's trial that "I'm the one who did it".

According to this Insider article (which was linked in The Hill article above), he did give a statement to federal authorities and prosecutors.

https://www.insider.com/josh-duggar-req ... yee-2022-1

I think it’s unlikely in the extreme that a sex offender would admit to committing another sex offense without some guarantee that he wouldn’t be prosecuted. The one thing the Gallagher witness had that this witness doesn’t have is immunity. Here’s the risk to this guy as a witness: They think he’s lying about being in town and they charge him with perjury if he testifies that he was, or they think he’s telling the truth about being in town and they charge him with downloading child pornography. And, of course, if he now says anything inconsistent with his interviews with authorities, he can be charged with that.

Assuming this witness is even willing to testify for Duggar and would actually say all the stuff Duggar claims he would say (and I haven’t seen the motion, only The Hill article posted above, and The Insider article linked by The Hill), my money is on the state explaining the risks to the witness, and that’s going to be the end of it. I would be shocked if this actually goes anywhere.

I thought it was the ex-employee that gave a statement.

Anywho, I never said the testimony WOULD happen. I said the two of them may THINK this would work out a la Gallagher type situation. Not that it would pan out or even work. Geesh.

[Maybenaut]

I thought it was the ex-employee that gave a statement.

Anywho, I never said the testimony WOULD happen. I said the two of them may THINK this would work out a la Gallagher type situation. Not that it would pan out or even work. Geesh.

I thought when you said “HE did not give any statement…” you were talking about the ex-employee, who did give a statement.

And I agree that Duggar might think this is helpful, but without having seen the motion I wouldn’t go as far as to say “the two of them” because we don’t know what the ex-employee would actually say if asked. Unless by “the two of them” you mean Duggar and his attorney.

Anyway, I’m not trying to pick a fight. I just think it’s unlikely that the ex-employee would cooperate with Duggar under this scenario because he has nothing to gain and the risk to him is pretty high.

[RVInit]

it's all good. I'm not surprised Duggar would try everything he can, throw everything possible at the wall, hoping for something to keep his rear end out of prison. He hasn't ever been held responsible for his actions before, this must be a shock to the system, for sure.

[LM K]

Former reality TV star Josh Duggar has asked a federal judge for a new trial or an acquittal, a little over a month after he was convicted of receiving and possessing child pornography.


In a court filing Wednesday, Duggar’s attorneys argued that prosecutors failed to present evidence that Duggar “knew that the visual depictions were of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct,” which they say is a necessary element for a conviction.

Josh can't recognize a toddler as a child? EVERY child in his downloaded videos were prepubescent.

Wtf!

[LM K]

Sentencing is April 5.

Josh Duggar will be sentenced on April 5, some four months after the former reality TV star and political activist was convicted of knowing receipt and possession of child pornography.


His sentencing was pending a report by federal authorities who will present their findings to the judge. Records show that the report was entered last Friday, but is not publicly available.

[Maybenaut]

Former reality TV star Josh Duggar has asked a federal judge for a new trial or an acquittal, a little over a month after he was convicted of receiving and possessing child pornography.


In a court filing Wednesday, Duggar’s attorneys argued that prosecutors failed to present evidence that Duggar “knew that the visual depictions were of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct,” which they say is a necessary element for a conviction.

Josh can't recognize a toddler as a child? EVERY child in his downloaded videos were prepubescent.

Wtf!

Relax. This is a typical motion in child pornography cases, and it’ll fail. “Knowledge” is hard to prove, so, in addition to the images themselves, they prove it with circumstantial evidence (like the presence of software on your computer designed to defeat monitoring software, for example).

[Slim Cognito]

are my posts going through?

[LM K]

Former reality TV star Josh Duggar has asked a federal judge for a new trial or an acquittal, a little over a month after he was convicted of receiving and possessing child pornography.


In a court filing Wednesday, Duggar’s attorneys argued that prosecutors failed to present evidence that Duggar “knew that the visual depictions were of a minor engaging in sexually explicit conduct,” which they say is a necessary element for a conviction.

Josh can't recognize a toddler as a child? EVERY child in his downloaded videos were prepubescent.

Wtf!

Relax. This is a typical motion in child pornography cases, and it’ll fail. “Knowledge” is hard to prove, so, in addition to the images themselves, they prove it with circumstantial evidence (like the presence of software on your computer designed to defeat monitoring software, for example).

Thanks, my friend.

I'm not surprised that this motion was filed. I'm disturbed by the claim. But, a good lawyer does whatever they can do for their client. As they should.

Still, how absurd of a claim!