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Black family to sue American Airlines after being kicked off plane in Charlotte, N.C.
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Tue, December 7, 2021, 6:10 PM

Allan Ali and his newborn-holding partner, Kamia Hoilett, had a negative interaction with a flight attendant Sunday on Philly-bound plane.

A Black family traveling with a newborn baby was kicked off an American Airlines flight on Sunday as they headed home to Philadelphia from Charlotte, North Carolina. They plan to take legal action.

As seen in a now-viral video, Allan Ali and his partner, Kamia Hoilett, were asked to leave a Sunday afternoon flight before departure after a brief, negative interaction with a white male passenger and a white female flight attendant.

The Shade Room interviewed Ali, who said the incident escalated when he and his infant-holding partner stood to let a man who was sitting in their row into his seat. Ali said the man aggressively spoke to them, saying, “Y’all have to get up.”

According to Ali, the couple tried to exit the row to let the man in, but the flight attendant was blocking the path. He said Hoilett asked her for space, but the airline employee responded, “Is this going to be a problem?”

The situation then escalated when the same flight attendant told Hoilett to sit down and buckle her seatbelt in what they describe as “a passive-aggressive tone.”

Hoilett told the attendant she didn’t like the manner in which she was being spoken to, and the employee then “stormed off” to report the incident to the captain, who instructed the flight attendants to remove the family from the flight.

In the now-viral video posted to Instagram, Hoilett is heard repeatedly saying, “I didn’t do anything.” Her partner then recaps the incident, saying that they were being asked to leave the flight with their child.



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American Airlines booted Brooklyn couple over religious shawl: lawsuit
By Kathianne Boniello
December 4, 2021 11:51am Updated

An elderly Brooklyn couple was booted from an American Airlines flight because they refused to place a bag containing their sacred prayer shawl on the floor, according to a lawsuit.

Roberto and Elana Birman were heading home from Miami on Flight 322 in August when the “humiliating” incident unfolded, they told The Post.

Roberto, 76, and Elana, 71, brought only a briefcase, a purse and his Tallit bag — a small, 8.5 inch-by-8.5-inch, clear plastic carrier for Roberto’s prayer book and shawl — onboard. They sat in aisle seats across from each other.

A flight attendant began checking overhead bins ahead of take off, pulled the Tallit bag from the overhead bin, and asked, “Whose is this?”

When Roberto claimed it, she allegedly threw the bag on his lap and said it had to go under his seat, the couple said.

“It’s a religious item, it cannot go under the seat,” Roberto explained, removing his baseball cap to reveal his kippah covering his head and explaining that as an Orthodox Jew, he is forbidden to place the precious shawl on the floor.

“It doesn’t matter,” the attendant allegedly sniffed.

Roberto informed the flight attendant that the Tallit bag could not be placed on the floor, but she was unmoved.

“She was screaming at me and pointing her finger,” he said.

The couple, who are married 52 years and have four kids, came to the U.S. in 1985 from Argentina, where they encountered frequent anti-Semitism.

“I couldn’t believe this was happening to me in America,” said Roberto, noting, “We use these items every single day to pray.”

Elana Birman said the flight attendant’s request was akin to asking a Christian to “throw a cross on the floor” where it could be stepped on.

“Nobody said a word. Nobody defended us. It was embarrassing,” she said.

There is a strong taboo in Jewish law against putting an item such as a Tallit bag on the floor, two rabbis said.

“It’s considered disgraceful,” said Rabbi Mitchell Rocklin. “It would be like taking a Bible or a Koran and dumping it on the floor.”

The pilot came over but didn’t speak to them, the Birmans said. Eventually, a ground crew member was called and urged them to follow him off the plane, they said.




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Fight on Delta flight from Tampa to Atlanta ends with multiple injuries, police say

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Sun, December 26, 2021, 7:12 PM

A woman trying to reach Atlanta before Christmas ended up in FBI custody after she caused a mid-air “disturbance” that injured fellow airline passengers and the Delta flight crew, according to the Atlanta Police Department.

It happened Dec. 23 on Delta flight #2790, which left Tampa, Florida, at 4:30 p.m. and arrived at Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport at 6:10 p.m.

Atlanta police officers were waiting when the flight landed “in reference to a disturbance call involving an unruly passenger,” officials said in a Dec. 25 press release.

“When the aircraft arrived at the gate, officers were able to meet with exiting passengers who advised that the suspect, Ms. Patricia Cornwall had caused a disturbance while in the air,” officials said.

“This disturbance (led) to the injury of fellow passengers and Delta employees. Based on the statements gathered and visible evidence, officers detained Ms. Cornwall and contacted the on-call FBI agent.”

Cornwall was taken to an Atlanta police precinct and later taken into custody by the FBI, officials said.

Details of what caused the disturbance and the extent of injuries were not released.

A video recorded on a Tampa-to-Atlanta Delta flight was tweeted Dec. 24 by ATL Uncensored/Atlanta News, and it shows a woman standing in the aisle cursing at a seated male passenger.

Crew members are seen trying to restrain the woman, who slaps the man across the face and tells him multiple times to put on his COVID-19 face mask. (She has her mask pulled down below her chin in the video.)

Someone in the video reports a woman “went crazy on the airplane, punched this man in the face, spit on him, scratched him (and) poured hot water on my leg.”




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She should never see the inside of a plane again.
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grounded prior to reaching for the skies
A Delta passenger punched an officer after being denied boarding because staff said he was too drunk, police say
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Fri, December 31, 2021, 12:04 PM·2 min read

A Delta passenger lashed out after being denied boarding, police say.

Footage of the incident at LAX shows the passenger punching an officer in the chest.

Hewas arrested for battery on a police officer, TMZ reported.

A Delta Air Lines passenger assaulted a police officer after he was stopped from boarding a flight to from LA to New York, according to police.

The passenger, who has not been named, was stopped from boarding at LAX, TMZ first reported.

He wasn't allowed to board because Delta staff felt he was "too intoxicated to fly," airport official Rob Pedregon told Fox News.

A Delta spokesperson told Fox that police were called to escort the passenger out of the terminal after he became verbally abusive at the departure gate. Delta did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.

After officers arrived, Pedregon told the media outlet, the passenger had a "moment of rage" and assaulted an officer by punching him in the chest.

Footage of the incident published by TMZ shows an officer tackling him to the ground. While pinned, he can be heard saying: "You ruined my whole fucking day, bro, now I have to travel a whole other day... it fucking sucks, dude."

The video then shows the passenger screaming and struggling on the ground before being handcuffed and escorted out of the airport in a wheelchair.

He was arrested for battery on a police officer, TMZ said. Police at LAX also did not immediately respond to Insider's request for comment.



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Airlines have already canceled more than 2,100 Sunday flights, according to flight tracker FlightAware.

That's on top of more than 2,700 Saturday flight cancellations, bringing the total since Christmas Eve to nearly 15,000 canceled flights.
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Unfriendly airports.

Delta security officer 'viciously assaulted,' repeatedly beaten with his own radio at JFK
Jordan Nixon, Janessa Torres and Johara Zavala were arrested Thursday in connection with the assault, authorities said.


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The women allegedly refused to leave the jetway at the airport after they were told they could not board a Delta Air Lines flight to San Juan, Puerto Rico, an unsealed indictment states.

They became “belligerent, with one appearing to be visibly disoriented and possibly intoxicated, and another who was refusing to properly wear her mask," according to the indictment.

A flight gate agent notified the crew about the situation and a captain and another employee decided the women could not fly. The indictment says a security officer asked the women to leave but they refused “and approached him while yelling and cursing.”

One of the women then allegedly hit the officer repeatedly with his own radio, causing him to fall to the ground. When the gate agent came to help, the agent was punched in the face, according to the indictment.
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That sort of behavior should disqualify one from flying for quite some time, if not life.
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Volkonski wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:38 pm Unfriendly airports.

Delta security officer 'viciously assaulted,' repeatedly beaten with his own radio at JFK
Jordan Nixon, Janessa Torres and Johara Zavala were arrested Thursday in connection with the assault, authorities said.


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/de ... d_nn_tw_ma
The women allegedly refused to leave the jetway at the airport after they were told they could not board a Delta Air Lines flight to San Juan, Puerto Rico, an unsealed indictment states.

They became “belligerent, with one appearing to be visibly disoriented and possibly intoxicated, and another who was refusing to properly wear her mask," according to the indictment.

A flight gate agent notified the crew about the situation and a captain and another employee decided the women could not fly. The indictment says a security officer asked the women to leave but they refused “and approached him while yelling and cursing.”

One of the women then allegedly hit the officer repeatedly with his own radio, causing him to fall to the ground. When the gate agent came to help, the agent was punched in the face, according to the indictment.
The incident happened back in September, but the women have now been indicted and arrested.
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raison de arizona wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:48 pm That sort of behavior should disqualify one from flying for quite some time, if not life.
I may have skipped posting it, but very recently a Canadian airliner refused to accept all passengers for their return flight from somewhere in the Carribean cause of their behaviour outbound on a charter flight. All other Canadian companies also refused any bookings from them. I understand many are still stuck at their destination cause they cannot get an alternate transport. Some managed to get a flight with a US airliner into the US and then crossed a landborder to Canada.
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Airlines cancel over 2,700 U.S. flights as winter storm hits U.S. East Coast

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Airlines canceled over 2,700 U.S. flights on Sunday as a winter storm combining high winds and ice was poised to hit the U.S. East Coast over the holiday weekend.

The flights canceled by 12:30 p.m. ET (1730 GMT) on Sunday included over 2,700 entering, departing from or within the United States, according to flight tracking website FlightAware.com. Over 1,500 flights were delayed, the data showed.

American Airlines Group Inc (AAL.O) had over 600 flight cancellations. Almost 95% of the flights out of Charlotte Douglas International Airport in North Carolina, an American Airlines hub, were canceled, the FlightAware website showed.

American Airlines is allowing customers affected by the weather to rebook flights without a fee.

A major winter storm will impact the eastern United States on Sunday into Monday, the National Weather Service said. The highest snowfall totals were expected along the spine of the Appalachians as well as across the lower Great Lakes.
No, you can't fool me. :nope: The storm is just an excuse to hide the fact that many of their flight crews are suffering from Covid. ;)
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RTH10260 wrote: Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:16 am
raison de arizona wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:48 pm That sort of behavior should disqualify one from flying for quite some time, if not life.
I may have skipped posting it, but very recently a Canadian airliner refused to accept all passengers for their return flight from somewhere in the Carribean cause of their behaviour outbound on a charter flight. All other Canadian companies also refused any bookings from them. I understand many are still stuck at their destination cause they cannot get an alternate transport. Some managed to get a flight with a US airliner into the US and then crossed a landborder to Canada.
They're still stuck in Cancun?

I know that over 30 partiers had to quarantine in Cancun because the have covid. :o

There was a GoFundMe to help at least one partier sue ... someone over this. The fund is no longer available. There were questions about who set up the fundraiser.
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Ragical found an idiot:

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Top lawyer kicked off a flight when cabin crew refused to let his children's nanny join him in business class and he became 'disruptive,' report says
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Sun, February 13, 2022, 12:59 PM

A lawyer's family was kicked off a British Airways flight from London to Turin, per MailOnline.

The outlet said the family's nanny had been booked in business class but the flight was oversold.

BA said it booted him and his family off because it didn't tolerate "disruptive behavior."

A top British lawyer was ordered off a British Airways flight with his family last week after an argument with the cabin crew about their nanny's seating arrangement became heated, according to MailOnline.

Charles Banner, 41, and his family, including two children, ages 1 and 4, were escorted off the flight from London Heathrow to Turin, Italy, by police officers last Thursday, MailOnline reported.

The flight was grounded for 90 minutes because of the argument between Banner and the cabin crew about his children's nanny not being able to join them in business class, MailOnline said.

Banner said he had booked the nanny in business class so he and his wife could work while the nanny looked after their children, per MailOnline. Banner is a member of the Queen's Counsel — a legal advocate appointed by the Queen.

But British Airways downgraded their nanny because the flight had been oversold, the airline said.

Banner has accused British Airways staff members of being "rude" to him when he asked the cabin crew whether the nanny could sit in a spare business-class seat. The airline insisted there was no extra seat in the cabin.

The disagreement apparently became heated, and, per MailOnline, the pilot insisted the family be removed from the flight. The police were called, and the family was escorted off the plane, British Airways said.

"If BA had told me that the nanny could not sit with us in business, then we would not have traveled and could have got a later flight. But they only told us that when we got to the boarding gate," Banner told MailOnline.

"I behaved perfectly, but I was challenging the cabin crew because it was the right thing to do," he continued. "The pettiness and vindictiveness of the staff caused this. I was being very polite about the whole thing."

Banner and his family booked a hotel near the airport and traveled from London Gatwick Airport the next day with easyJet, MailOnline reported.




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Wait, easyJet?

That's a bit of a step down from BA Business Class...
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Unfriendly skies
How Russia’s invasion of Ukraine is redrawing air routes


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The sanctions have sparked flight cancellations and costly detours, denting the industry's pandemic recovery and dealing a blow to the mainly Ireland-based leasing industry which was ordered to stop doing business with Russian airlines.

Without access to Russia's airways, experts say carriers will have to divert flights south while also avoiding areas of tension in the Middle East.

Recent flights from European and U.S. airlines to Asia have been forced to take major detours.
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An expert opinion on th Russian airline industry prognosted they will be grounded within months. Aeroflot has its major service center in Germany. Most spare parts are sourced from the West. The most recent Russian built modern aircraft uses Pratt&Whittney engines. Russian airlines are said to be using leased planes, up to 60% of their fleet, and contracts will require planes to be returned asap as consequence of the sanctions.
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The worlds largest freighter, the Antonov AN-225 was just destroyed at it Ukranian airport. (note. i seem to remember that it already had been taken out of service cause end-of-life reached, but pitty to lose an engineering artefact this way)
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all you can buy for $f***g$ 2000 includes free transport on a reserved seat in a police cruzer and free meals served at the police station. Drinks availability limited.
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Flying is a privilege, people like that should be permanently banned. They are a danger to themselves and to others.
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RTH10260 wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 4:58 pm Russian airlines are said to be using leased planes, up to 60% of their fleet, and contracts will require planes to be returned asap as consequence of the sanctions.
I read somewhere, possibly Twitter, that Putin has passed a law permitting Russianb airlines to continue using those leased planes in domestic services.

How that will work when they need spare parts or servicing that is not available in Russia was not explained. Of course, the Soviet Union was never famous for diligent application of safety standards, not at all.

Apparently Ireland is home to a lot of the aircraft leasing trade.

Regardless of the outcome of the war, and even if sanctions will be removed entirely, Russia will find that leasing in future becomes much more difficult to access, and much, much more expensive.
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Sam the Centipede wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 3:23 am
RTH10260 wrote: Fri Mar 04, 2022 4:58 pm Russian airlines are said to be using leased planes, up to 60% of their fleet, and contracts will require planes to be returned asap as consequence of the sanctions.
I read somewhere, possibly Twitter, that Putin has passed a law permitting Russianb airlines to continue using those leased planes in domestic services.

How that will work when they need spare parts or servicing that is not available in Russia was not explained. Of course, the Soviet Union was never famous for diligent application of safety standards, not at all.

Apparently Ireland is home to a lot of the aircraft leasing trade.

Regardless of the outcome of the war, and even if sanctions will be removed entirely, Russia will find that leasing in future becomes much more difficult to access, and much, much more expensive.
Ireland has legislation that makes it a preferred location for leasing companies. The Irish based companies hold about 60% of the world leasing airline fleet iirc.

If the Russian airlines continue to use their leased planes they are in breach of contract, not withstanding that Putin allows them to fly. The Russian airlines will not be able to return to the international leasing market once the current war is over.

The expert that I quoted from also mentioned that when the leasing companies lose control over their assets as like now, eg they cannot be assured the maintenance and operation conditions have been followed, their assets become a total business writeoff. It seems even with the high value of these assets a total overhaul and maintenance inspection will not return them to the airworthyness most western airlines require.
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RTH10260 wrote: Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:26 am It seems even with the high value of these assets a total overhaul and maintenance inspection will not return them to the airworthyness most western airlines require.
It can be done, it's just very expensive, most companies would just go through the process of buying new, which would come with a 3 to 5 year maintenance warranty [depending on the manufacturer], i.e. the aircraft's first HMV [heavy maintenance visit, a C or D Check].
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raison de arizona wrote: Thu Mar 17, 2022 10:19 am Flying is a privilege, people like that should be permanently banned. They are a danger to themselves and to others.
According to a couple of stories I read about the incident, he was flying to Longview, TX. The gate he was at does short commuter flights, and I just checked for tonight, and yup, it's going to Longview.

Longview is at most a 3 hour drive from Dallas, almost straight East along I-20. It's not too bad of a drive. Why would someone go through the hassle of a flight (getting to the airport on time, checking bags, getting through security, waiting for the flight, getting tased when you get belligerent because you had too many carry-ons) when you could drive there is about the same amount of time and for far less than the $2k he kept quoting.
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Spring break travel mess: Airlines cancel, delay 10,000 weekend flights

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Airlines canceled and delayed more than 10,000 Saturday and Sunday flights due to storms in Florida and a technology issue at Southwest Airlines, stranding travelers across the country and creating long wait times to reach airline customer service. More than 3,200 flights have been canceled and 7,000 flights delayed this weekend, according to flight tracker FlightAware.

The flight woes come during the busy spring break travel season and at a time when travel is surging due to pent-up demand from the pandemic.

Southwest, the nation's largest domestic carrier, was the hardest hit in terms of the number of flights. The airline canceled 520 Saturday flights, or 14% of its operation, and has already canceled 394 Sunday flights as it and other airlines try to get back on track.

In addition to weather, Southwest said it had intermittent technology issues early Saturday that hurt the airline.

Southwest, the nation's largest domestic carrier, has previously said approximately 40% to 50% of its planes fly through Florida on any given day.
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