New York State Investigations of Trump and Related

[Slim Cognito]

There's another song called "Route 66:" the theme from a popular 1960s TV show (starring Martin Milner, George Maharis and Glenn Corbett). The theme show completely rocked. Here's Nelson Riddle and his orchestra with the version that, when cranked up appropriately, can blow you off the living room couch:

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I've been down Route 66 from Chicago to OKC, but three different trips, Joplin to St Louis by motorcycle. One trip to LA, we did the local route and ended up at the Santa Monica Pier.

[AndyinPA]

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Have been from Chicago to Arizona on old Route 66. I can't remember exactly where we ended it in AZ. Have been on all the Blue Ridge Highway.

[Gregg]

But Mar A Lago isn't legally Trump's residence, it is, as stipulated in his original agreement with Palm Beach County, a for profit club where no member, including him, can live.

Which brings us to how he is living there, which is he is an employee, a mere peasant living in the servant's quarters of the private, for profit, club, that is definitely not his residence, all of which he argued, at length, just a few weeks ago, when someone brought up that he had agreed not to live there.

I thought that I read, a few months ago, that the City Attorney for Palm Beach declared that the original agreement did not preclude DJT from living at Mar a Lago permanently. The City Council decided not to pursue it in court.

The bott

om line is, at least for now, he gets to live there with impunity.

Apparently, though, he gets to live there in the quarters set aside in the club for the ownership interest -- I am willing to bet his ownership of MaL is not personal but corporate. Is there protection for such pass-through ownership under Florida law?

The Agreement

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015a ... efa9050001

The last paragraph of page 6 is the money shot on 3 7 day stays a year, and the next page begins "Club facilities may be used only by members and guests of the club" which doesn't sound like employees to me, boss.

[Ben-Prime]

I thought that I read, a few months ago, that the City Attorney for Palm Beach declared that the original agreement did not preclude DJT from living at Mar a Lago permanently. The City Council decided not to pursue it in court.

The bott

om line is, at least for now, he gets to live there with impunity.

Apparently, though, he gets to live there in the quarters set aside in the club for the ownership interest -- I am willing to bet his ownership of MaL is not personal but corporate. Is there protection for such pass-through ownership under Florida law?

The Agreement

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015a ... efa9050001

The last paragraph of page 6 is the money shot on 3 7 day stays a year, and the next page begins "Club facilities may be used only by members and guests of the club" which doesn't sound like employees to me, boss.

Indeed, but the agreement also incorporates by reference several chapters of a plan that we don't see. I haven't read that plan, but I thought I recalled a new story in which the plan does allow employees (at least some) to live on premises. That may have just been the attorney spin on it in the news, however. I am very happy to be completely wrong here. Has anyone seen the actual plan referenced in the agreement?

[noblepa]

Apparently, though, he gets to live there in the quarters set aside in the club for the ownership interest -- I am willing to bet his ownership of MaL is not personal but corporate. Is there protection for such pass-through ownership under Florida law?

The Agreement

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015a ... efa9050001

The last paragraph of page 6 is the money shot on 3 7 day stays a year, and the next page begins "Club facilities may be used only by members and guests of the club" which doesn't sound like employees to me, boss.

Indeed, but the agreement also incorporates by reference several chapters of a plan that we don't see. I haven't read that plan, but I thought I recalled a new story in which the plan does allow employees (at least some) to live on premises. That may have just been the attorney spin on it in the news, however. I am very happy to be completely wrong here. Has anyone seen the actual plan referenced in the agreement?

I agree that Mar a Lago was never intended to be someone's permanent personal residence, and I would love nothing more than to see the orange one evicted.

However, the city seems to have dropped the issue, so regardless of the legal merits of the arguments for or against his living there, it appears that he is there to stay, at least for now.

[Maybenaut]

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Have been from Chicago to Arizona on old Route 66. I can't remember exactly where we ended it in AZ. Have been on all the Blue Ridge Highway Parkway.

[AndyinPA]

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Have been from Chicago to Arizona on old Route 66. I can't remember exactly where we ended it in AZ. Have been on all the Blue Ridge Highway Parkway.

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I have no idea why I called it that. We've been on it at least half a dozen times.

[Gregg]

Apparently, though, he gets to live there in the quarters set aside in the club for the ownership interest -- I am willing to bet his ownership of MaL is not personal but corporate. Is there protection for such pass-through ownership under Florida law?

The Agreement

https://www.politico.com/f/?id=0000015a ... efa9050001

The last paragraph of page 6 is the money shot on 3 7 day stays a year, and the next page begins "Club facilities may be used only by members and guests of the club" which doesn't sound like employees to me, boss.

Indeed, but the agreement also incorporates by reference several chapters of a plan that we don't see. I haven't read that plan, but I thought I recalled a new story in which the plan does allow employees (at least some) to live on premises. That may have just been the attorney spin on it in the news, however. I am very happy to be completely wrong here. Has anyone seen the actual plan referenced in the agreement?

I may be wrong, but I think the "employee exception" is not in the agreement itself. If I am remembering this right the "no residence" rule in the agreement is part of complying with a pre-existing Florida state law, which prohibits clubs being used for residences but has an exception for employees. It was a case of A implies B which allows C which means D and so the agreement means phuckall. The "plan" is just the local zoning and how the club resolves certain parts of that, I think. I'll look for it because now I'm invested.

The same theory of law that took the DC Post Office Lease from "No elected official may hold this lease" to "Well, he wasn't elected when the lease was signed so who cares, its not like he'd use it to skim a few million in general grift from it".

[LM K]

Has Trump left Florida for any reason since Jan 20?

[Volkonski]

Has Trump left Florida for any reason since Jan 20?

Yes, he made a brief trip to Manhattan.

[somerset]

Has Trump left Florida for any reason since Jan 20?

Yes, he was recently in New York

https://nypost.com/2021/03/07/trump-spo ... -nyc-trip/

[Sunrise]

Has Trump left Florida for any reason since Jan 20?

This ‘cat’ is curious as to why you want to know.

[Azastan]

Has Trump left Florida for any reason since Jan 20?

This ‘cat’ is curious as to why you want to know.

Well, because apparently the former guy isn't yet worried about being arrested in New York.

[noblepa]

Has Trump left Florida for any reason since Jan 20?

This ‘cat’ is curious as to why you want to know.

Well, because apparently the former guy isn't yet worried about being arrested in New York.

He may also believe that the Secret Service will "protect" him from arrest. That would be consistent with his belief, as president, that everyone in the federal government worked for him personally.

But, he's probably right that, at the moment, he is in no danger of being arrested. The prosecutors are just not ready yet. Perhaps they will be soon.

That would be an unprecedented situation. What would the SS do if a group of NY law enforcement types, along with prosecutors, met Trump's entourage with warrants for his arrest? The SS is normally concerned only with protecting a president or former president from physical harm.

Would the SS (probably after consulting with their superiors), stand aside and allow a duly constituted police officer, with a properly issued warrant, arrest Trump. Or, would they close ranks and block access. Again, under normal circumstances, the SS would block any unwanted approach to the principal.

[AndyinPA]

Arresting a former president isn't exactly normal circumstances.

[noblepa]

Arresting a former president isn't exactly normal circumstances.

That was my point, exactly.

Under normal circumstances, the SS would prevent any unwanted access to a former president, but then, no one has ever tried to arrest a former POTUS. As you say, this would be anything but a normal circumstance.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were discussions going on right now, at SS headquarters in DC, about what to do, if an arrest warrant were issued for Trump. In fact, I would be surprised it such discussions were NOT taking place. They know that it is a possibility, so I would think that they would want to be prepared.

If the decision in DC was that, in the event a valid arrest warrant is issued, the SS would cooperate with local LEOs, would they tell Trump of this decision? If a warrant were issued in NY, and Trump planned a trip there, would the SS say "Mr. President, if you go to NY, we can not prevent NY police from arresting you"?

[Foggy]

The logistics of having the Secret Service protect him in prison will be interesting, too also. Maybe they can rent an adjoining cell and set up their command post.

[Slim Cognito]

IF we could be so lucky as to see a conviction, I bet he gets house arrest.

[much ado]

IF we could be so lucky as to see a conviction, I bet he gets house arrest.

Right. I don't think that there is any chance he will spend time behind bars. I'm just hoping for financial ruin.

[Jim]

IF we could be so lucky as to see a conviction, I bet he gets house arrest.

Right. I don't think that there is any chance he will spend time behind bars. I'm just hoping for financial ruin.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... rison.html

[northland10]

As for an arrest, IIRC, arrests don't have to be the police showing up at your house and cuffing you. I would imagine they would work out a time for the SS to bring him in for the booking/paperwork, possibly sending an escort to make sure he actually goes. The SS would remain with him for that brief time at the Law Enforcement office (likely in a separate location from normal booking process to ensure security) and then take him back home after that is finished. He is not a flight risk since he has SS protection with him. Even now, he is not allowed to personally drive a car off the property (no former Presidents are).

Edit: In an interview with Jerry Seinfeld, at the time President Obama drove the Corvette around the White House roads but when they went to the gate and ask the guard if they could leave and drive around the street the guard, of course, said no sir Mr. President.

[Gregg]

This ‘cat’ is curious as to why you want to know.

Well, because apparently the former guy isn't yet worried about being arrested in New York.

He may also believe that the Secret Service will "protect" him from arrest. That would be consistent with his belief, as president, that everyone in the federal government worked for him personally.

But, he's probably right that, at the moment, he is in no danger of being arrested. The prosecutors are just not ready yet. Perhaps they will be soon.

That would be an unprecedented situation. What would the SS do if a group of NY law enforcement types, along with prosecutors, met Trump's entourage with warrants for his arrest? The SS is normally concerned only with protecting a president or former president from physical harm.

Would the SS (probably after consulting with their superiors), stand aside and allow a duly constituted police officer, with a properly issued warrant, arrest Trump. Or, would they close ranks and block access. Again, under normal circumstances, the SS would block any unwanted approach to the principal.

Issuing the warrant, as well as serving it, is something that would in reality be worked out well ahead of time, and Trump would most likely self surrender around the side door. It would all be over before we even knew it was happening.

[LM K]

IF we could be so lucky as to see a conviction, I bet he gets house arrest.

Right. I don't think that there is any chance he will spend time behind bars. I'm just hoping for financial ruin.

Me too.

I don't think Trump will be arrested. I just can't imagine that. But I've had significant failures of imagination when it comes to Trump, so who knows?

Trump is out of friends and probably out of favors that would get him money. If he loses everything, I don't see many coming to his aid.

[Sunrise]

I don’t think DFO is only out of friends, I don’t think he’s ever had any real friends. Acquaintances and business associates, yes, but not actual friends. His main leisure activity seems to be golf and there too, he golfs with people he knows as opposed to people who are really friends. This isn’t surprising to me, since he certainly has never shown he understands what it is to be a friend to someone. He’s well-known as a user of people and also a taker, neither of which are attributes that encourage friendship as most of us understand it.

[LM K]

I don’t think DFO is only out of friends, I don’t think he’s ever had any real friends. Acquaintances and business associates, yes, but not actual friends. His main leisure activity seems to be golf and there too, he golfs with people he knows as opposed to people who are really friends. This isn’t surprising to me, since he certainly has never shown he understands what it is to be a friend to someone. He’s well-known as a user of people and also a taker, neither of which are attributes that encourage friendship as most of us understand it.

I agree. He's too narcissistic to be a friend. He's too narcissistic to be a husband or father.

He's out of people from which to take. The people whom he could bully (mostly GOP but not wealthy enough) don't have what he really needs. Those whom are wealthy enough are wrapped up in legal shit related to Trump.

I don't think Trump will be found guilty in a court of law. But he could go broke trying to stay out of prison.