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Tax them.



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Normal people agree, but congress lacks the integrity to do anything about it.


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I read about this earlier today. The "church" was being rented out for a political event. That's just splitting hairs, really, though. It's being chanted by a bunch of Christianists.


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My batshit crazy grandmother was a member of one of Hagee’s churches in San Antonio in the 1970s and 1980s. I am not surprised that his churches are QAnon adjacent.


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The Church of the Hateful Hagees.


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Who Would Jesus Hate?


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If "Let's Go Brandon" is the polite way to say "Fuck You Biden", isn't it still cursing?

We're stuck in the 50's again.

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In my town, nothing much is really segregated anymore. We've moved past that. I love this place, and that's one big reason.

Except for the churches. They are, to this very day, rigorously segregated by race, and everybody knows which are the black churches and which are the white ones. (Black Baptists have WAY MORE FUN in church than white Baptists.)

It all happens on a voluntary basis. I think it has something to do with the fact that their gods are fictional. :shrug:

Did you know that if all the people who fall asleep in church were laid end-to-end, they'd be a lot more comfortable?


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AndyinPA wrote: Mon Nov 15, 2021 10:49 pm I read about this earlier today. The "church" was being rented out for a political event. That's just splitting hairs, really, though. It's being chanted by a bunch of Christianists.


Tax them!

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I've been reading about the Reformation. It wasn't just about indulgences. If these "christians" would do a little research and start thinking for themselves, they might see the danger of using the government to advance a church's ambitions.


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zekeb wrote: Tue Nov 16, 2021 10:09 am If these "christians" would do a little research and start thinking for themselves, they might see the danger of using the government to advance a church's ambitions.
If is carrying a heck of a load in that sentence!!


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Freedom From Religion Foundation requests IRS investigation of QAnon event at Cornerstone Church:
November 15, 2021

IRS EO Classification
1100 Commerce
St. Dallas, TX 75242-1198

Re: Illegal Politicking by Church

To Whom It May Concern:

I am writing on behalf of the Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) to alert you to possible illegal partisan politicking by the Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas. We were contacted by a concerned local resident. FFRF is a national nonprofit organization with more than 35,000 members across the country. FFRF protects the constitutional separation between state and church, and educates about nontheism.

We were informed that Cornerstone Church in San Antonio, Texas recently hosted an event called “ReAwaken America,” linked to the QAnon conspiracy, that included the political chant, “Let's Go Brandon.”1 Video shows hundreds of congregants packing the pews while chanting the phrase — a now well-known anti-Democrat euphemism for “F*ck Joe Biden” — under the apparent lead of those on stage at the church.2 We are concerned that the church may have been involved in organizing and sponsoring this event, especially since the church's pastor, John Hagee, is very politically active and notoriously had his endorsement of presidential candidate John McCain rejected because Hagee reportedly said that “Adolf Hitler had been fulfilling God's will by hastening the desire of Jews to return to Israel in accordance with biblical prophecy.”3

IRS regulations specify that 501(c)(3) organizations, which include churches and other religious organizations, are prohibited from “[participating in or intervening in] . . . any political campaign on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office.” Rev. Rul. 2007-41, 2007-25 I.R.B. (June 28, 2007). Politicians and pastors using church services as a campaign tool to promote and endorse a specific candidate is a clear violation of these regulations.

Cornerstone Church appears to have inappropriately used its 501(c)(3) status to intervene in political campaigning, leading congregants in a chant against a politician in clear contemplation of his upcoming candidacy for re-election in 2024. It is a violation of IRS regulations to host political campaign events or to lead church-sponsored chants against one candidate, declaring a clear preference for a specific political candidate over another.

FFRF respectfully requests that the IRS commence an immediate investigation into Cornerstone Church. The IRS should take appropriate action to remedy any violations of 501(c)(3) regulations that occurred or which continue to occur.

Thank you for your time and attention to this matter.

Sincerely,

Madeline Ziegler
Staff Attorney
Freedom From Religion Foundation
Madison, WI

FOOTNOTES

1See Ewan Palmer, 'Let's Go Brandon' Chanted at QAnon-Linked Church Event in Texas, Newsweek (Nov. 15, 2021), available at www.newsweek.com/lets-go-brandon-church ... on-1649141.

2See, e.g., twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1459699199931416581.

3CNN Politics, McCain rejects minister's endorsement (May 22, 2018), available at www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/05/22/mccain.hagee/.


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FFRF wrote:Video shows hundreds of congregants packing the pews while chanting the phrase — a now well-known anti-Democrat euphemism for “F*ck Joe Biden” — under the apparent lead of those on stage at the church.
“F*ck Joe Biden” too also is a euphemism for “Fuck Joe Biden.”

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Michael Flynn was there as well, I bet he said a lot worse than that chant. FWIW.


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