Kyle Rittenhouse, previous owner of a Smith & Wesson M&P15

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The judge annonces to the jury taht testimony by Brandon Craven, FBI agent, was incomplete and therefore the judge is striking his testimony. I didn't catch the explanation of that, I fast forwarded through the break and may have missed discussion about that witness. So I don't know why he will be unable to complete his testimony.

Also, the count as to breaking curfew was dropped. I'm not sure why the prosecution didn't bother to put on evidence of that, but they must have had their reasons. The prosecution formally rests it's case.

The defense calls Nicholas Smith. He lives in Kenosha. He has been adjudicated delinquent in the past. Two. I don't know what that means. He works in a factory. He used to work for Car Source and known the owners for 10 years. Sam, Sal, Mom, and Dad are owners. That is different than previous testimony that Sal was not involved in the business. That testimony was given by Sam and Sal themselves. He says he had contact with Sam on the 24th saying that Car Doctor was on fire and could he "do anything". Sam asked Nicholas and Justin Hamilton for assistance. Both were previous employees.

Justin and his son arrived at Car Doctor to put out the fires on the 24th (day before the killings). He said Sam told him the back door was unlocked and gave him information about where to find buckets and water to put out fires. They gained access to the building, turned on ights. located power washer and unlocked the front door and put out fires. Numerous bystanders helped.

They left around 1-2 AM early 25th. Went home. Had contact later on 25th when Sam called him and asked for assistance to watch over the business that night. This contradicts Sam's testimony. He denied that he gave anyone permission or made arrangements for anyone to protect his business. Sam called him some time in the morning. They made arrangements around 11 AM to gather up the people who were going to protect the business. After 11 AM Dominick Black (Rittenhouse friend who bought the guns) got in contact with him. He had seen a snapchat from Dominick and contacted him and asked about body armor. He had not planned to be armed, but he wanted body armor. He planned to be on the roof, so he didn't think he needed to have a firearm. Kyle Rittenhouse offered his body armor. He accepted.

He went to Car Source and met Dominick and Rittenhouse. Was he aware whether Black and defendant had talked to anyone at Car Source? No. They arrived around 5 PM. He met with Sam and told him what was going on. This contradicts Sam's testimony. (Aside - Sam was a bizarre witness, I'm sure the prosecutor regretted putting him on). He claims Sam offered to pay them, but then never paid him. He says Sam gave him a set of keys to the Car Doctor location. (There are two Car Sources and one Car Doctor owned by the same family). Now he says Sal gave him the keys. I'm confused, he changed his mind about who gave him the keys now. He says Sam showed him where the ladders were to get on the roof. Are there other people there? Not at first, but 10 minutes later another group drove up and asked if they needed help. He didn't know any of them. One of them was Ryan Balch. Dominick was armed, defendant was armed, Balch was armed. They met at the 63rd street location. They were waiting for the rest to get there. This is someone confusing testimony.

The photograph was taken at 63rd street. It shows Sal (the brother who does not work for the business) is in the photo. Defense shows the photo. Did Sal ever tell them he doesn't want them there? No, he was grateful. Sal leaves. Shortly after another group of armed men came saying they could work a different location. They make plans for who is going to be at which location. Established that defendant was not going to be on the roof with him. He doesn't know where defendant was going to be.

Once the police move the crowd down, he takes a position on the roof. His group got "chemical bombed" from the crowd. He says ammonium bleach bombs were made from plastic bottles. He doesn't know who made or threw them.

Did he ever see Rosenbaum? No. Did you ever see Rittenhouse that evening? Yes. He was standing in parking lot. He did not pay attention and didn't know if Rittenhouse was providing medical attention.

witness brother taught him CMS lifesaving and what to do for gunshot wounds and lacerations. At some point he became armed with Ryan Balch's pistol. He says yes and no he felt it was necessary. He said he had non-lethal but took the gun when he was on the ground. Then he went back on the roof. (This testimony is kind of disjointed). He noticed defendant a couple of times going back and forth from location to location after witness was back on the roof.

He did not witness anything involving the shootings. He got off the roof when someone got a phone call and told them we need to leave because things are getting crazy. He sees defendant inside the building. He is sweating and pale and kept saying "I just shot someone. I had to shoot someone". Witness told him he should turn himself in. Rittenhouse just kept saying "I had to, I had to".

He left becase he was concerned. No more qustions.

Cross exam. Mr Smith you have two adjudications for violations of the law. Yes. Judge stops him saying we didn't have the usual discussions yet. "The matter is covered, move on to something else". Interesting

Asking him about the body armor. It's an armor vest, has soft armor panels, designed to stop up to .357 bullets. Will not stop rifle bullets. Where did you go to pick up the body armor. Witness cannot remember. He only remembers getting his money, but he has no memory of where they went to get the armor.

Black and defendant picked him up at his house. He lives in walking distance but for some reason they needed to drive to pick him up. Interesting. The prosecutor then asks him if the body armor was already in Dominick's car and the witness says yes. He says he chose not to have a gun that night because he had body armor. He claims he was worried someone was going to shoot him. What made him think someone was going to shoot him? Alot of peoople walked around with guns. did you ever see anyone shoot anyone? No. You were cncernced about potential from violence? Yes. You felt the protestors were a danger to you? Yes. When is the last time before 2020 you worked for Sal and his familhy? 2019.

Talking about property. Northeast corner store - Would he agree it's properly called "Car Source"? Yes. There is another location on the other corner - what is that called? Car Doctor. Is that the location you spent the whole evening? Yes

Is it correct to say your plan was to guard the Car Doctor? Yes. You mentioned you last worked for them a year ago? Were you familiar with the things that would be in the building? Yes. When you were there Tuesday night 25th did it appear that some of the property had already been moved out? Not all of it. The rolling benches were still inside the building. (Sam had testified that all the valuable items had been moved from Car Doctor due to the protests, so essentially there was nothing there that needed to be protected. I think this is where the prosecutor is going with this line of questioning). All the cars were moved off the lot, fair to say? "Some of them". He also points out the lot across had all been moved out. "Not all of them". Where were the fires that you put out? Cars. Not the building itself> Correct. none of the owners were there themselves, they were relying on you to do it all for them? Yes

The plan was you and the others would be there but the owners would not be there to protect the property and they would pay you $200? Correct. And you never got the money? Correct.

You indicated that your personal plan was to spend time on the roof? You didn't feel you needed a gun? How would you protect it? He would provide overwatch while the others had weapons. He was worried about the structure. No fire, no stolen machinery or equipment, etc. Correct. He saw no reason he needed a gun that night? correct. Did you feel it was not correct to protect property using a gun? Sort of. What sort of situation do you feel would have happened to the building that you would have felt it would be necessary/appropriate to have a gun to protect it? Judge sustained objection because this witness might have a different opinion than someone else about what situation would be appropriate to use a gun. Huh? Some of his rulings seem odd to me.

With regard to Car Dr building did you witness any situation where you felt it would be necessary to use a gun? No. Were you wearing body armor in that photo? Yes. Can you put up the photo please.

Photo is up. Mr Smith, you are the one wearing the white hat with the cross on it. What does the cross mean? First Aid. You were going to be on the roof? Yes. Did you ever treat anyone? No. Why wear a hat when you were going t be on the roof? So the guys on the roof would know I was first aid. (I had to chuckle at that one, they are all friends, and thee are like four of them on the roof. They can't remember who to go go?)

Did you have supplies? IFAC. Names a few items. Never had to use any of it. Fair to say that despite the chemical bomb, bricks, nobody at Car Dr ever got injured. You weren't aware of where the defendant went? Correct. You know today who Rosenbaum was? yes. At that time? No. Did you encounter Huber, Grosskreutz? No, never saw any of them.

The rocks and chemical bombs were not thrown by Rosenbaum? Correct, could not see who was throwing them. You had non-lethal? Yes. pepper spray and pepper gun. And that is something you could use to defend yourself? Yes, I could deter someone with that. Did you use it? No

Described what defendant looked like, pale and sweating? Did he ever say they were armed, feared for his life, any weapons they had? Can't remember any of that. Didn't say how many people he shot? No.

In one statement you told him to go outside and turn himself in? Yes. But also said you were afraid the protestors were coming to get them? Yes. But you told defendant to go outside, wouldn't that put him in danger? yes. Did you know whether they were coming? No. You knew the police had pushed all the protestors further south and nobody was near Car Doctor? yes. Why were you sill there? Says he was planning to stay all night. But changed your mind after defendant came back? Yes. If you didn't know anything about who he shot, how many he shot, why did you assume it was the protestors that he shot and that they would come and get revenge? I do not know.

You told someone else that the police were coming to the building? I do not remember. Reading through a statement. You never came back and told another person teh police were coming. Obviously, if you thought the police were coming, you would have wanted the defendant to stay at that building so he could turn himself in, correct? correct. (LOL, he testified that he told Rittenhouse to leave) Nothing further.

WHEW.

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There was no "buddy system". Why do you think there was?

Balch didn't "shepherd" Rittenhouse. Balch stayed with Rittenhouse because Rittenhouse's didn't know what he was doing and needed to be supervised. Someone who is "green" and "inexperienced" with an AK-47 is a risk to themselves and others. Balch knew that Rittenhouse wasn't equipped to be in Kenosha that night.

You appear to believe that the vigilantes weren't engaging with the protesters. Rittenhouse, along with Balch and other vigilantes weren't peaceful.

While Balch was with Rittenhouse, the group of vigilantes was purposely "verbally aggressive" with "agitators". Those are Balch's own words.

100% correct, and backed by Balch's testimony as well as video evidence presented in court.

One thing i never mentioned in my posts - these guys claimed to be there to protect the Car Source/Car Doctor property. But at some point things were "slow" at the car lots, so they moseyed on over to the gas station across the street where there were a bunch of protestors (and Rosenbaum was there, too) where defendant started smack talking them. That is where Balch told him to cut that out. So, you could say they instigated quite a bit of bad blood. If they had just stayed put at the Car Doctor and not inserted themselves into various interactions between the other people who were in Kenosha that night, things may have gone very differently. As a matter of fact, during Grosskreutz' testimony there was much of his video played where people were overheard telling the militia that the fact that they were not staying put on the property they were supposed to be "protecting" is the very reason they are having difficulty with all the other people who were there. The jury heard that.

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Redirect

LOL the redirect was ridiculous. Defense attorney asked him if the reason he didn't feel like he needed a gun was because nobody ever came up to you and said "I'm going to Kill you", nobody chased after you, etc, etc. All the BS they are trying to insinuate, without any proof, happened to defendant.

[Dave from down under]

Do we know the person who was asking those leading questions?

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Next witness:

JoAnn Fiedler, from West Gun (I think that's what she said. She's not from Kenosha, she's one of the militia that traveled to Kenosha for cosplay)

How old are you? 56. She looks 10 years older. works in manufacturing. Interviewed by FBI? Yes. In the summer there's been conversation about civil unrest around the country? Yes, she read up about it, but BLM started destroying their own communities and that bothered me alot. Basically BLM is destroying everything, so someone has to "stand up". (Hooboy)

Any groups you belong to? A Patriot group - support for the police against defunding, serving their country, etc. We just stood out with our flags showing support. Tried to get police involved, firefighters involved, etc. but covid stood in the way. (Hooboy)

Didn't know Rittenhouse, recruited all these people who showed up in Kenosha. Balch walked up in his military get up and introduced himself. Was there a time you made a decision to come to Kenosha? Yes, after seeing all the violence (there was no "violence" until Rittenhouse killed two and seriously wounded a third)

was a plan put in place? No, we just headed down. Just two to start. We met up at a park and ride and met Dustin and Ryan Balch. Met around 5 PM on 25th. Did they know any specific location or plan? No, didn't know of any plan. Where did you go? We came down Sheridan and ended up at Car source. All four of them. They followed Balch's car. To her it was happenstance where they ended up. Who was there? Nick was there (she met him that day), introduced them to the "owner" of Car Source. She doesn't remmeber his name, it was an Indian name (her words). He was happy to see them, crying, thanking them. He said he had over 100 cars burned. She didn't see where the owner went,. She met Rittenhouse there. She had met him before (?) but he came back later. He showed up with Dominick. After the photo, was there a plan in place? Nick wanted to split them up among the three places. Did the owner ever tell you he didn't want you there or that you were trespassing? No,not at all.

As far as she recalled there were two lots they would protect. She carries a .380 pistol. Where did you locate yourself? On the ground. Who is with you? Kyle, Dustin, Ryan. How close to you was defendant? 5 or 10 feet. For at least a portion of the night? Yes. What was he doing? He just stayed there. Did you ever see him do anything except standing there? Yes, he was offering medic services. He helped bandage someone's ankle. Did he ask for assistance with his firearm? He would take it off while working on someone and she would hold it. shows photo of Rosenbaum. Do you remember him? Very distinctly. Why? His red shirt and green earring and BLM had just came in front of us and things were calm, there was some back and forth, some protestors were "taunting her by saying Black Lives Matter". She took notice that he jumped up on a car. Peoople were telling him to get off the car. She said he claimed he was going to "kill you mother fuckers and cut your hearts out". What was your response? I was frozen and kind of ignored that. Anything else you say him do? Yeah, yellow pants was screaming and his arm went up and she says immediately her eyes started watering and there was a chemical bomb. She claims she saw him throw somthing. she doesn't remember WHAT he threw, just he threw something. Did you see defendant threaten anyone? Oh No! Point his gun at anyone? OH NO!!

Does he stay or leave. After police moved protestors down the street they heard gunshots. Thats' when Kyle and some others left. How close in time was that to events involving Kyle? Way before. Was defendant trying to get back to you? Oh Yes! He told the police he was working at that business, the police did not allow him to pass. She thought he was going back to the gas station (where he was intimidating and shit talking people)

Did she see Kyle after "everything happened". She heard people yelling open the door to let him in the door. He looked totally in shock. Pale, shaking, stuttering, stammering, sweating. He said "I shot someone" He sat down, asking for his brother Dominick. he was pulling his hair back and said "my god my life might be over". She told him to calm down. Kyle said "I had to". He wanted his brother (not his brother) She took his gun and put it on one of the trucks. Used the ladder to get up on the roof and found Dominick.

Now asking if defendant did anything else earlier in the evening. She said someone started a fire on a church door. But other peoople had fire extinguishers so she and defendant walked back.

Cross exam:

Neither you nor the defendant put out a fire at the church? Ccorrect. Someone with the protestors did that? Yes. You spoke to FBI about 6 days after this happened. You told them that you contacted the defendant's mother and told her to "be strong". You also said you had been in contact with the defendant's attorney. You read your statement? Yes. In that summary it says in addition Fiedler has been in contact with defendant's attorney and provided him with information she deems helpful to rittenhouse's defense. (Prosecutor is reading from a statement). She's shaking her head no and denying that. She admits that she sent in video that she had. She is hedging on whether she provided any video to the defendant's attorney to help him. She is now admitting that she did. He's asking if she gave everything she had to the FBI. She claims she was "trying to help the case, not the defendant". She admits that the words she claims Rosenbaum said is not on any video from any source. She doesn't live here, doesn't work here, never heard of Car Source, has no ties to anyone here with no plan. You knew there was a curfew and they were closing the off ramps, which is why you had to come earlier, you brought along a .380 pistol to protect property. How> Sometimes the presence of a gun speaks. It's a presence, it's kind of a deterrent. You were agree the AR-15 is an even bigger deterrant. She says a gun is a gun. You understand there is a big difference in a pistol and an AR-15. She says size doesn't change what it does. Finally admits an AR-15 is bigger. Fires at higher velocity, hits target further away, rounds from AR-15 can penetrate body armor, etc. She admits to these things.

Did you personally have any conversation with the owner of Car Source? Yes. He's asking her about the statement she made to investigator Spangnola. She denies any knowledge of this interview. He gives her the statement and she's reading it. Have you seen this before? She denies ever seeing it. You told Mr Spignola that you had no contact with the owner at Car source? she denies it. You decided that night that you were going to protect the location at 59th and Sheridan. I believe it was owner and nick Smith who decided. You agreed voluntarily to go there and protect it. Nobody made you do it? Agrees.

Asking her about defendant asking her to hold on to his gun. Do you recall how he was wearing the gun that night? She describes how it hung around his neck. Detective Howard is going to demonstrate how he was wearing it. Aks witness to describe how he was wearing his gun. She says over the shoulder with the gun close to his body and right hand on grip. When it came time for him to help someone out, he took it off and asked you to hold it? Yes

Now asking her about the "taunting". Earlier when she said they taunted her she only mentions they said "Black Lives Matter". Now she's rying to say we would be here all night if she said everything they said to her. Was the car 'yellow pants" (this is what she called Rosenbaum) on the lot? Yes. Did you and others tell him to get off? Yes. As a matter of fact some of your group pointed guns at him. To this she replies "he pointed his gun at us first" (hint: there is absolutely no evidence that at any time Rosenbaum had a gun). She insists he had "a couple of guns". How were you going to use your gun to protect property? She says it was a deterrent. You weren't going to fire it? No, Aim it? No. You did not consider Rosenbaum to be an actual threat did you? She admits to this. You said his arm went up and he might have thrown something but you have no idea what? She says yes.

After the police pushed the protestors past 60th did any protestor ever come near the Car Source. She tries to claim that protestors came back after the police pushed them further south. Not a single other person, including every person who was in her group has said that. She is the only one insisting that protestors continued to come up to Car source after the police established a line. This is AFTER she has already admitted that when Rittenhouse tried to get back there, the police would not allow him through. She's not making herself very credible at this point.

Establishing that she never saw Anthony Huber, Gaige Grosskreutz, never saw him, never knew who he was. You indicated that later when defendant came back that he said he "shot someone". She admits he never said he shot three people. He never said any of them threatened him, had any weapons. she admits this. There came a time when Nick Smith came back and said the police are coming. And you all got out of there. She shifts in her seat (she does that when the questions are uncomfortable) and defiantly says "not immediately", He reads the FBI statement where she said they left as soon as Nick said the police are coming. Now she admits that's true.

Did you ever have direct contact with Rosenbaum? No. Did he run after or chase you> No. when you said you were being taunted, what were some of the things they were saying to you. Now she's saying they called her "blondie" "you aren't so tough".

Correction - I thought "yellow pants" was her name for Rosenbaum. Apparently, that was someone else not Rosenbaum. My bad.

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Important about Fiedler testimony. She admits that various of the militia pointed guns at at least one person. But she claims that he pointed his gun at them first. Then claims he had two guns. I think the prosecutor will bring some impeachment on that one.

[Dave from down under]

One gun, no! Two guns! And a Flamethrower and snd a TANK! Yeah!! All the while taunting me about my highlights!!

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Witness: The video cut off the introduction of the witness. A 30-something man.

He took some photos. his time on his photos are off by one hour because his camera was from a different time zone.

you became aware of who Rosenbaum is? Yes. Showing a photo of a cone on fire and Rosenbaum standing at Ultimate Gas Station in an "angry stance"

Everyone is lookig at someone, do you know what hey are looking at? I believe it ws a dumpster o n fire.

Photo with Rosenbaum in same location, he looks like he's yelling in this photo.

A photo of someone holding a pistol. He pulled it out and held it at his side after people were getting heated.

A photo of Rosenbaum walking to the St James lot just before he tips over a porta potty. He's taking photos of everything that interests him. He later goes through and picks out photos he thinks have particular interest.

Defense is called on leading question. Rosenbaum pulled a chain from the trailer. "He armed himself with a chain" is how the witness said this. 10:16 PM. Prosecutor asks to clear up the time, defense doesn't want to, judge says clear up the time now. I'm still confused about the time, but it might be 11:16 at the time Rosenbaum has the chain in his left hand. It's a long chain that he's holding in the middle and it's hanging down to the ground on both sides. So, we are talking about a very long chain. (We would have noticed if he had that chain at the time he comes into contact with Rittenhouse, that chain too big to hide).

Next photo Rosenbaum is holding his plastic bag and you can't tell if he is still holding the chain.

Were you anywhere near the gunshots that broke out around 11:50 PM. Yes. He has a photo of the armored Sheriff vehicles that pulled up to get Gaige after he was shot.

After shots were fired, he wanted to leave, he took a photo and the police confirmed to him there were multiple gunshots.

judge sustains prosecutor defense. This is getting ridiculous with photos of irrelevant things and it's going on and on and on. Most of it I'm not even mentioning because there is no way this has anything to do with the killings.

LOL, Now the defense is showing a HUGE photo of Rittenhouse and other people cleaning graffiti off a building. I bet you could find a photo of Charles Manson and his groupies doing nice stuff for someone at some point in their lives.

Prosecutor is objecting to tons of photos from the 24th being shown. Judge agrees they are irrelevant.

Do you remember what Rosenbaum said or did during the night. You made a statement about the source of the bag? (He said Rosenbaum was holding a bag from being released from jail, which is not true, he was released from the hospital)

Jury is leaving so the lawyers can discuss something. Defense wants to bring in something about Rosenbaum. Apparently, the defense has a witness that is going to say that Rosenbaum said "I just got out of jail and i'm not afraid to go back". It's not true that he just got out of jail. Jury coming back. Objection overruled.

Did you hear Rosenbaum say anything about the bag? Yes, he said "I'm not afraid to go back to jail".

Testifies that he saw a dumpster on fire, did not see who put it on fire. It was put out with extinguisher. Mr Rosenbaum was agitated and yelling "fuck the police, shoot me, n----shoot me, n---"

He told detective about that. Did the topic of the chain come up with interview with the detective? I don't remember, woudln't dispute it.

Did anything strange happen. Saw someone running and a crowd forming behind him. Did not know at the time who it was. Describe what you observed. He was running south. How far did he get. He entered Car Source parking lot. shows where he first saw Rittenhouse on map. He heard multiple gun shots later. Then saw Rittenhouse walking out of the parking lot and then he picked up his pace. He said Rittenhouse got hit with a skateboard, and then Rittenhouse jkicked the skateboard when it fell to he ground.

(Keep in mind we are hearing from a witness that saw events from behind. Very poor video is being shown, the prosecutor showed far better and clearer video) He claims that he saw Grosskreutz pointing his gun at Rittenhouse when he was shot. But we have seen clear video that shows Grosskreutz hands clearly up in the air when the shot blows most of his bicep away.

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Cross exam. The less experienced prosecutor is doing the exam.

Mr Debruin, you said there was a lot of tension in the room when you met with us. Is it fair to say you were nervous? Yes. Is it fair to say taht most of the discussion was regarding Mr Ziminski? Yes. And that is because Mr Ziminski is being prosecuted for arson? Yes. And you took lots of photos of Ziminisky. Yes

Oh, this is getting good. Just as it gets good teh judge stops it. This witness has a bias in this case and the prosecutor was digging into it and the witness was clearly falling apart on the stand. so, the judge saved the witness for the defense. The prosecutor looks really pissed off that the judge would call a break at just this moment. He is pissed.

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I need a new keyboard, this one drives me nuts. I may stop trying to correct the typing because it's taking me all night. LOL, so, be prepared for some missing letters, etc.

How did the blogger find out about you? You said the blogger approached you. How did he know about you. He was at my attorneys office. And you know your attorney and the blogger ahve a relationship? Why did you talk to him? Did you know this blogger do any research before you talked to him?

Oh lordy, this guy is paranoid. He is coming off as paranoid on the stand. I can't even keep up. Bizarre. He is admitting that watching these horrific events has been traumatic for him.

The witness is getting sarcastic now. And he's admitted that he's adding details to his testimony based on things he's seen since then.

Hes' being asked if Rittenhouse was around at the same time he was making observations about Rosenbaum. He admits Rittenhouse wasn't around during the short time Rosenbaum was holding a chain or doing any of the other things he described.

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So the gist of this witness. He clearly has a bias and admitted that he only gave interviews to pro Rittenhouse blogger.

New witness; He was parked in his car on across the street from the car lot at pretty much the exact time the shootings took place. His stepdaughter was videotaping at the time. The reason he turned around and parked, he saw fire coming out the back seat of a car.

He's being shown a video and asked if he recognized it. What is the sound you are hearing? People hitting cars with bats and pipes. (This is happening on the lot that is being "protected" by the militia". You can hear a gunshot, then a pause then the four gunshots.

he turned over the video to a detective. Yes. They never called me as a witness. (I understand why, his video is pretty much worthless. It shows activity that is taking place on the far side of the car lot, close to where the first killing took place, but it doesn't record anything related to any of the shootings) The defense is trying to make it seem weird that he wasn't called by the prosecutor. But he has nothing of value.

Cross: Were you concerned about people harming your car? What brought you out past curfew that night? Me being a real estate agent, I was upset these rioters were harming businesses. I was hoping to take video of people damaging things so I could turn it in to the police.

You didn't witness any of the events that took place regarding the shooting? No

End of today.

[Dave from down under]

Many many many thanks!!!

Feel free to make as many typos as you like or that the key board inflicts on you!

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Redirect

LOL the redirect was ridiculous. Defense attorney asked him if the reason he didn't feel like he needed a gun was because nobody ever came up to you and said "I'm going to Kill you", nobody chased after you, etc, etc. All the BS they are trying to insinuate, without any proof, happened to defendant.

Was he supposed to go home for a gun if someone said something threatening or acted in a threatening manner?

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Next witness:

JoAnn Fiedler...


...shows photo of Rosenbaum. Do you remember him? Very distinctly. Why? His red shirt and green earring and BLM had just came in front of us and things were calm, there was some back and forth, some protestors were "taunting her by saying Black Lives Matter". ...


Cross exam:

Neither you nor the defendant put out a fire at the church? Ccorrect. Someone with the protestors did that? Yes. You spoke to FBI about 6 days after this happened. You told them that you contacted the defendant's mother and told her to "be strong". You also said you had been in contact with the defendant's attorney. You read your statement? Yes. In that summary it says in addition Fiedler has been in contact with defendant's attorney and provided him with information she deems helpful to rittenhouse's defense. (Prosecutor is reading from a statement). She's shaking her head no and denying that. She admits that she sent in video that she had. She is hedging on whether she provided any video to the defendant's attorney to help him. She is now admitting that she did. He's asking if she gave everything she had to the FBI. She claims she was "trying to help the case, not the defendant". She admits that the words she claims Rosenbaum said is not on any video from any source.


Now asking her about the "taunting". Earlier when she said they taunted her she only mentions they said "Black Lives Matter". Now she's rying to say we would be here all night if she said everything they said to her. Was the car 'yellow pants" (this is what she called Rosenbaum) on the lot? Yes. Did you and others tell him to get off? Yes. As a matter of fact some of your group pointed guns at him. To this she replies "he pointed his gun at us first" (hint: there is absolutely no evidence that at any time Rosenbaum had a gun). She insists he had "a couple of guns". How were you going to use your gun to protect property? She says it was a deterrent. You weren't going to fire it? No, Aim it? No. You did not consider Rosenbaum to be an actual threat did you? She admits to this. You said his arm went up and he might have thrown something but you have no idea what? She says yes.


Did you ever have direct contact with Rosenbaum? No. Did he run after or chase you> No. when you said you were being taunted, what were some of the things they were saying to you. Now she's saying they called her "blondie" "you aren't so tough".

Wow, this woman is nutz. She has no credibility.

I cracked up when she said protesters were taunting her by saying "Black Lives Matter".

She said she started a patriot group in response to the Black Lives Matter movement.

She loathes BLM. She honestly believes that a group of protesters chanting "Black Lives Matter" was about her. What a knucklehead.

The woman did not help Rittenhouse at all.

[pipistrelle]

Where is Rosenbaum supposed to have gotten a couple of guns from?

[Dave from down under]

The BLM ANTIFA mobile book library and armoury.
It also serves a mean soy latte with bleach Bomb chaser..

[RVInit]

Where is Rosenbaum supposed to have gotten a couple of guns from?

I made a corrction in my original post. She was referring to someone as "yellow pants". I didn't know who she was talking about and because of the context of questioning I thought she meant Rosenbaum. She was talking about some unknown person as I fianlly figured out way later in my postings.

[Dave from down under]

Where is Rosenbaum supposed to have gotten a couple of guns from?

Just like the ambush of Kyle they are the creation of the rwnj fevered imagination with the intent of deceit.

Regardless of who she was referring to, her story morphing from one gun to two and her insistence the her militia buddies only were reacting didn’t come across as believable.

[Foggy]

The BLM ANTIFA mobile book library and armoury.
It also serves a mean soy latte with bleach Bomb chaser..

Dave From Oz wins the internets!

[Dave from down under]

I aim to please

[Foggy]

So I'm guessing testimony will be over today, and then jury instructions and final arguments mañana.

And then godonlyknowswhat the jury is going to do.

[Sam the Centipede]

I aim to please

Rather the opposite of Rittenhouse, eh?

[andersweinstein]

Defense calling Kyle Rittenhouse!

[filly]

For the record, I AM NOT GETTING MY TAKES IN THIS CASE FROM TWITTER! I don’t know why anyone thought that. And I am concerned.

[Dr. Ken]

You guys are right. All the twitter comments are favorable to Kyle. I'm getting flooded by Jack P and Dinesh D'Souza in my timeline.