I heard that one of the conditions of his bail is that he fly commercial only. I guess he could hijack the plane or something, but short of that it should prevent him from leaving the country. I'd feel better if a US Marshal was on that plane with him. We can't afford any "mistakes."Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:14 pm Will someone of authority accompany him back to NY so his plane doesn't take a detour?
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And of course, he wasn't charged with a FARA violation.
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.The monitoring regime will be imposed at Barrack’s own expense. Specifically the court ordered GPS monitoring with a bracelet to be outfitted by the government. The defendant will also have to observe a curfew and remain home-bound as directed by pretrial services.
Perhaps the most case-specific prohibition here is that Barrack is barred from transferring any funds overseas. He also is not allowed to engage in any domestic financial transfer in excess of $50,000–except for normal and proper attorney’s fees–without the prior and written consent of the government
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He's not allowed to use a private jet, he has to ply with the demons and peasants.Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:14 pm Will someone of authority accompany him back to NY so his plane doesn't take a detour?
Which begs the question, if I'm a $75K a year pilot on Endeavor airlines operating as Delta, what do I do if they Flight Attendant brings me a note for the guy in 1C who says he'll give me $100,000,000 to fly to Guatemala instead of JFK?
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I fail to see how doing anything short of locking him up will keep Barrack in the U.S. If he anticipates that he's going to prison, my bet is that he will use any means necessary to flee the country. Can't use his own jet? What? They're going to fine him for doing that once he's safely flown to the UAE?
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I'd ask for cash in advance.Gregg wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:17 pmHe's not allowed to use a private jet, he has to ply with the demons and peasants.Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:14 pm Will someone of authority accompany him back to NY so his plane doesn't take a detour?
Which begs the question, if I'm a $75K a year pilot on Endeavor airlines operating as Delta, what do I do if they Flight Attendant brings me a note for the guy in 1C who says he'll give me $100,000,000 to fly to Guatemala instead of JFK?
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GG is the right person to ask, but I wonder if owning your own jet is really as good an escape route as it seems to be? Assuming the plane is being monitored, I'd think that turning off the plane's transponder or significantly deviating from a filed flight plan would raise an alarm. I'd also think there are ways of persuading a pilot to turn back and land.MN-Skeptic wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:30 pm I fail to see how doing anything short of locking him up will keep Barrack in the U.S. If he anticipates that he's going to prison, my bet is that he will use any means necessary to flee the country. Can't use his own jet? What? They're going to fine him for doing that once he's safely flown to the UAE?
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Or he gives trump the $$ to fix his 747?
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Short of shooting the plain down?somerset wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:51 pmGG is the right person to ask, but I wonder if owning your own jet is really as good an escape route as it seems to be? Assuming the plane is being monitored, I'd think that turning off the plane's transponder or significantly deviating from a filed flight plan would raise an alarm. I'd also think there are ways of persuading a pilot to turn back and land.MN-Skeptic wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:30 pm I fail to see how doing anything short of locking him up will keep Barrack in the U.S. If he anticipates that he's going to prison, my bet is that he will use any means necessary to flee the country. Can't use his own jet? What? They're going to fine him for doing that once he's safely flown to the UAE?
(And that requires the relevant Airforce aircraft being in range - and who would give such an order (other than trump/Putin/etc))
Surveillance and on ground interception is the best chance of stopping him leaving the country.
But so what if he flees?
He is tried in absentia
His actions won’t endear him to the jury.
The Government will move to seize his assets and put a bounty on him that will make his life more restricted and costly - and spring board against his associates.
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Not in the US, unless he flees after trial has already started.Dave from down under wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:25 pm
But so what if he flees?
He is tried in absentia
His actions won’t endear him to the jury.
The Government will move to seize his assets and put a bounty on him that will make his life more restricted and costly - and spring board against his associates.
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And then walk with the cash without doing the deed.bbflatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:43 pmI'd ask for cash in advance.Gregg wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 5:17 pmHe's not allowed to use a private jet, he has to ply with the demons and peasants.Slim Cognito wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 3:14 pm Will someone of authority accompany him back to NY so his plane doesn't take a detour?
Which begs the question, if I'm a $75K a year pilot on Endeavor airlines operating as Delta, what do I do if they Flight Attendant brings me a note for the guy in 1C who says he'll give me $100,000,000 to fly to Guatemala instead of JFK?
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I suspect it's hard to overstate the reluctance of the military to shoot down a civilian plane that is not a serious terrorism threat.Dave from down under wrote: ↑Fri Jul 23, 2021 7:25 pmShort of shooting the plain down?
(And that requires the relevant Airforce aircraft being in range - and who would give such an order (other than trump/Putin/etc))
OTOH, a pilot who did such a thing would be in a heck of a lot of trouble.
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I'm not super worried about him fleeing given these conditions. What people here need to understand is that Barrack is going to be under round-the-clock surveillance. Contra Jacob Wohl, Barrack is not charged with a FARA violation, he's charged with a much more serious violation of 18 USC 951, or being an active agent of a foreign government. Spies are charged under that statute. He's going to have babysitters everywhere he goes to make sure he doesn't 1) make contact with a foreign handler or 2) attempt to flee the jurisdiction. If he goes near a private jet, he's going to have friends very quickly.
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Make him take Amtrak. Lock him in a roomette for the trip.
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Make him travel coach.
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Amtrak coach is much nicer that Airline coach
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While I don't dispute your general point, I haven't seen any reports in the press about surveillance as part of the bail conditions, and certainly nothing comparable to the house arrest with private guards to which defendants like Madoff and Marc Drier were subject.fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:17 am I'm not super worried about him fleeing given these conditions. What people here need to understand is that Barrack is going to be under round-the-clock surveillance.
Or are you just saying that the U.S. Marshalls and the FBI will be following him around?
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The Marshals or the FBI will be following him. Not as a condition of bond, but as an investigative measure.chancery wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:18 pmWhile I don't dispute your general point, I haven't seen any reports in the press about surveillance as part of the bail conditions, and certainly nothing comparable to the house arrest with private guards to which defendants like Madoff and Marc Drier were subject.fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:17 am I'm not super worried about him fleeing given these conditions. What people here need to understand is that Barrack is going to be under round-the-clock surveillance.
Or are you just saying that the U.S. Marshalls and the FBI will be following him around?
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^^^This, if for no other reason than nobody wants to be the AUSA who let Barrack escape. If there aren't 10 guys assigned to watch him full time, I'd be shocked.fierceredpanda wrote: ↑Sat Jul 24, 2021 10:17 am I'm not super worried about him fleeing given these conditions. What people here need to understand is that Barrack is going to be under round-the-clock surveillance. Contra Jacob Wohl, Barrack is not charged with a FARA violation, he's charged with a much more serious violation of 18 USC 951, or being an active agent of a foreign government. Spies are charged under that statute. He's going to have babysitters everywhere he goes to make sure he doesn't 1) make contact with a foreign handler or 2) attempt to flee the jurisdiction. If he goes near a private jet, he's going to have friends very quickly.