Rudy Giuliani

[somerset]

Rudy Rudy Tudy. When you deal with a trump, get paid before you leave in advance...

I thought that’s what a retainer is for. So sad for dumbass Rudy.

He trusted the OSG to pay him

[neonzx]

I thought that’s what a retainer is for. So sad for dumbass Rudy.

He trusted the OSG to pay him

It's his own damn fault. He's seen what Trump has done to many, many associates in the past. Did he really trust a verbal commitment Trump The Don? Rudy is supposed to be some great attorney so why didn't he get in writing(contract). One of my first bosses taught me that lesson: "If it's not written, it's not real."

[Maybenaut]

I thought that’s what a retainer is for. So sad for dumbass Rudy.

He trusted the OSG to pay him

It's his own damn fault. He's seen what Trump has done to many, many associates in the past. Did he really trust a verbal commitment Trump The Don? Rudy is supposed to be some great attorney so why didn't he get in writing(contract). One of my first bosses taught me that lesson: "If it's not written, it's not real."

Even people with written contacts can’t get paid by Trump. Giuliani should have had Trump’s money in his escrow account that he could bill against.

But the result is the same:

[Luke]

Here's the Michael Wolff excerpt mentioned a few pages ago in NY Magazine: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article ... cerpt.html

The one person Trump did have at his side, Rudy Giuliani, was drinking heavily and in a constant state of excitation, often almost incoherent in his agitation and mania.

Almost everyone who remained around the president understood that he, along with Giuliani, did in fact actually believe that there was yet a decent chance of upsetting the electoral count and having Trump declared the Electoral College winner or, failing that, prolonging the election and returning the fight to the disputed states. The president’s aides (and family) understood, too, that he was the only one (along with Giuliani, which only made the situation more alarming) in any professional political sphere to believe this. Hence — although they did not call it such and tried to see it as more nuanced — derangement.

There had been hardly a waking hour in the past 48 during which he and Giuliani had not been on the phone in pent-up nervousness and excitement over the coming battle in Congress on January 6. They were two generals poring over a map of the battlefield. Both men, egged on by hypotheticals ever nearer to fantasy and after exhausting all other options, had come to take it as an article of faith that the vice-president could simply reject Biden electors in favor of Trump ones and thereby hand the election to Trump; or, falling short of that, that the vice-president could determine that a state legislature ought to give further consideration to possible discrepancies in the state’s vote and send back the questioned electors for a reconsideration of their certification.

“There is no question, none at all, that the VP can do this. That’s a fact. The Constitution gives him the authority not to certify. It goes back to the state legislatures,” said Giuliani, as though on a loop. He kept repeating this to the president and to the others who were part of the continual conversation on his cell phone. (“Yes … Yes … Yes … Here’s the thing … Hold on a second … Hey, let me get back to you …”)

The president, in his own loop, kept similarly repeating this back to Giuliani.

And they both similarly repeated this to everyone else with such insistent determination that it overrode any opportunity to disagree with them or even engage in the conversation. Throughout, they continued to weigh the odds that the vice-president would come along: sometimes 50-50, sometimes as much as 60-40, even somewhat more. At the grimmest, 30-70. But always a solid shot.

Here's the Times of London excerpt, published 7/5 (paywall): https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/what ... -h86t8qgx5

Wolff sure knows how to get his publicity.

[noblepa]

I thought that’s what a retainer is for. So sad for dumbass Rudy.

He trusted the OSG to pay him

It's his own damn fault. He's seen what Trump has done to many, many associates in the past. Did he really trust a verbal commitment Trump The Don? Rudy is supposed to be some great attorney so why didn't he get in writing(contract). One of my first bosses taught me that lesson: "If it's not written, it's not real."

There's the old joke that an oral contract isn't worth the paper its written on.

IANAL, but it is my understanding that an oral contract CAN be valid, but the problem comes with trying to prove it exists and exactly what the terms are. But, yeah, an oral contract with TFG isn't worth very much.

[Dr. Caligari]

IANAL, but it is my understanding that an oral contract CAN be valid, but the problem comes with trying to prove it exists and exactly what the terms are.

There is something called "The Statute of Frauds" which renders certain kinds of contracts unenforceable unless written and signed. The SOF varies from state to state but generally, contracts to buy or sell real estate, contracts to be guarantee someone else's debts, contracts lasting longer than a year and a few other types of contracts must be written. Anything not covered by the SOF is, at least in theory, enforceable, but, as pointed out, there will be problems of proof.

[woodworker]

To buy, sell, lease real property, but not necessarily to build on it. You could have an oral contract to build a new auto factory because, theoretically, if you throw enough money at it you could do it in one year.

[Kendra]

[chancery]

This is what is known as reciprocal discipline, and for practical purposes it happens automatically.

[Uninformed]

“RUDY GIULIANI’S LEGAL DEFENSE FUND HAS RAISED $9,590 (JUST $4,990,410 TO GO!)”:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/07 ... legal-fees

July 6th.

[Jim]

This is what is known as reciprocal discipline, and for practical purposes it happens automatically.

Amazing...to discipline an attorney it seems like you have to jump through so many hoops it seems just easier to let it go, but if someone else has done all the hard work, it takes just a day or 2.

[neonzx]

“RUDY GIULIANI’S LEGAL DEFENSE FUND HAS RAISED $9,590 (JUST $4,990,410 TO GO!)”:
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/07 ... legal-fees

July 6th.

Looks like the fundraising link is no-more.

https://fundly.com/rudy-giuliani-freedom-fund now redirects to https://fundly.com/politics-and-public-office

[northland10]

This is what is known as reciprocal discipline, and for practical purposes it happens automatically.

Unless you're Larry Klayman.

[bob]

This is what is known as reciprocal discipline, and for practical purposes it happens automatically.

Unless you're Larry Klayman.

Most attorneys know to just take the L; you have to be a special kind of stupid to litigate the reciprocal discipline that extends beyond the original suspension.

[chancery]

Almost always, yes.

But I wonder if it ever happened, say in the early years of civil rights litigation, that a civil rights attorney was disciplined for the temerity of representing African Americans, and another jurisdiction balked. Or something else comparable.

[Luke]

Roodles sounds drunk, he can't get numbers right, at one point he says T**** has 85 thousand followers when he meant million. Five minutes of crazy on Newsmax. Somehow he gets to the Woolworth's counter.

Newsmax @newsmax 5h
@RudyGiuliani: Social media companies "contend they're private, I contend, garbage, they're not private." http://nws.mx/tv

[Slim Cognito]

trumps rips him off for thousands in legal expenses and yet the drunken troll still humiliates himself on camera for the OSG.

[RVInit]

So, when capitalistic privatization doesn't work for you, easy peasy, just nationalize the company!

And, keep screaming about Democrats being Socialists and Communists!

[Flatpoint High]

So, when capitalistic privatization doesn't work for you, easy peasy, just nationalize the company!

And, keep screaming about Democrats being Socialists and Communists!

Like all who have been conned, he's ashamed to admit it, he is doing the Dance of the Maybe He'll Still Toss Me a Pinky Toe Bone

[Tiredretiredlawyer]

[T]he Dance of the Maybe He'll Still Toss Me a Pinky Toe Bone

[Kendra]

https://www.yahoo.com/now/donald-trump- ... 52060.html

Donald Trump’s Reported Reaction to Rudy Giuliani’s Hair Dye Dripping Captures the Chaos of the Moment

[Dr. Ken]

So, when capitalistic privatization doesn't work for you, easy peasy, just nationalize the company!

And, keep screaming about Democrats being Socialists and Communists!

Don't you get it, right wing logic. Privatize the government and federalize corporations. They can't seem to make up their minds.

[RVInit]

So, when capitalistic privatization doesn't work for you, easy peasy, just nationalize the company!

And, keep screaming about Democrats being Socialists and Communists!

Don't you get it, right wing logic. Privatize the government and federalize corporations. They can't seem to make up their minds.

Yeah, I guess this is what happens when addiction to rwnj media turns the brain to mush.

[raison de arizona]

Grain of salt and all, but lol!

'No one' wanted Rudy Giuliani at Trump's debate prep because he 'passed gas constantly': Michael Wolff

Speaking to MSNBC on Tuesday, Michael Wolff explained that most Americans don't fully realize how far Rudy Giuliani has deteriorated.

He told Brian Williams that the man, formerly known as "America's Mayor," is always either drunk or buzzed. His new book, Landslide, goes into even more humiliating details.

"Rudy Giuliani came once, but no one wanted him back," the book describes. "His phone rang constantly, and he couldn't shut it off. He shuffled endless pieces of paper without being able to find what he was looking for. He couldn't work his iPad to bring up what he wanted to show, reliably stalling meetings. And he went down rabbit holes—they could get Hunter Biden, if they could just find the guy who signed the forms to get Hunter the waiver to get into the military. And he passed gas, constantly."

https://www.rawstory.com/rudy-giuliani-fart/

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[Phoenix]

Wolff has a wry sense of humor. I’m enjoying the book.