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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... 590829007/

I understand how Greenlanders have become frustrated with Denmark, the same old tired story where they aren't treated with respect by Danes who, sometimes, maintain an air of superiority about them.

But if they think trump and maga will improve on that, they are in for a huge disappointment.
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Slim Cognito wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:33 am https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... 590829007/

I understand how Greenlanders have become frustrated with Denmark, the same old tired story where they aren't treated with respect by Danes who, sometimes, maintain an air of superiority about them.

But if they think trump and maga will improve on that, they are in for a huge disappointment.
Making Greenland or any other country a part of the US does not automatically make them a state. They could very well be a part of the US, but have very little representation. Look at some of our island territories.
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Depends of course how the "making a part of America" were to happen. IFF taken by force, yes they would end up as a territory. But when the region were hypothetically agree to change sides, there will be some sort of a treaty, and the region could request to join as a next state. Considering that this likely needs a change to the Constitution, such an amendment will not happen in the lifetime of the MaL dictator.
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zekeb wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:49 am
Slim Cognito wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:33 am https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... 590829007/

I understand how Greenlanders have become frustrated with Denmark, the same old tired story where they aren't treated with respect by Danes who, sometimes, maintain an air of superiority about them.

But if they think trump and maga will improve on that, they are in for a huge disappointment.
Making Greenland or any other country a part of the US does not automatically make them a state. They could very well be a part of the US, but have very little representation. Look at some of our island territories.
Agreed. If they think it's bad now, show them how he treated Puerto Rico.
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Slim Cognito wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 1:07 pm
zekeb wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:49 am
Slim Cognito wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:33 am https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/wor ... 590829007/

I understand how Greenlanders have become frustrated with Denmark, the same old tired story where they aren't treated with respect by Danes who, sometimes, maintain an air of superiority about them.

But if they think trump and maga will improve on that, they are in for a huge disappointment.
Making Greenland or any other country a part of the US does not automatically make them a state. They could very well be a part of the US, but have very little representation. Look at some of our island territories.
Agreed. If they think it's bad now, show them how he treated Puerto Rico.
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Greenland PM ‘ready’ to talk with Trump
Greenland Prime Minister Múte Egede is brushing up on his English. I suspect that he's reading General McAuliffe's biography.
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The impression I got this morning when reading was Denmark admits they've been lax in security and they are willing to pump that up to satisfy American concerns, but theyre not negotiating on a sale price.
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Pipe Organs, Greenland has them.

They are small instruments with many having only one manual (keyboard), no pedals, and a few ranks. Are few are a bit bigger.

https://www.randallharlow.net/pipe-organs-of-greenland

The photos have arrows so you can see the outside and inside of the churches, including the organs.

Here is a small one:

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/cont ... rmat=1000w

And larger ones with pedals
https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/cont ... rmat=1000w

https://images.squarespace-cdn.com/cont ... rmat=2500w
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How Would all those US imperialists respond if Saudi Arabia wanted to buy the US and have it as a powerless part of the kingdom…
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RTH10260 wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:58 amBut when the region were hypothetically agree to change sides, there will be some sort of a treaty, and the region could request to join as a next state. Considering that this likely needs a change to the Constitution, such an amendment will not happen in the lifetime of the MaL dictator.
No constitutional amendment would be necessary. Throughout its history, the United States has added states, territories, unincorporated territories, possessions, etc., without needing an amendment.
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bob wrote: Mon Jan 13, 2025 3:59 pm
RTH10260 wrote: Sat Jan 11, 2025 11:58 amBut when the region were hypothetically agree to change sides, there will be some sort of a treaty, and the region could request to join as a next state. Considering that this likely needs a change to the Constitution, such an amendment will not happen in the lifetime of the MaL dictator.
No constitutional amendment would be necessary. Throughout its history, the United States has added states, territories, unincorporated territories, possessions, etc., without needing an amendment.
No amendment would be necessary. The Constitution outlines the procedure whereby a territory becomes a state. The Constitution is silent about how the US can acquire new territory. Of course, that hasn't prevented new territory being added over the years.

It isn't going to happen, but just for fun, let's go through the steps involved.

There would have to be a treaty, whereby Greenland became a territory of the US. A plebiscite of the voters in Greenland would probably be required. That would be a question of Greenland law, not US law. If the voters of Greenland and Denmark were smart, they would insist on a clause that the territory is only valid if/when Greenland is admitted to the union as a full-fledged state. Otherwise, the treaty would be void and Greenland would revert to Denmark.

I am not quite sure, but I believe that the treaty would have to be between Denmark and the US, not Greenland and the US. Greenland is an autonomous territory of the Kingdom of Denmark. So, Denmark would probably first have to agree to allow Greenland to leave the kingdom.

Once the treaty received all the neccessary ratifications, and Greenland became a territory, ala Puerto Rico, Congress would have to vote admit it to the union as a state.

Trump might be willing to leave it as a territory, rather than a state. That way he get whatever benefits of acquiring Greenland that he thinks might accrue.

If it ever got that far (it won't), the GOP would do a voter analysis. If they decided that more Greenlanders would vote for Democrats than for Republicans, they would not accept it as a state.

Anyway, that's my understanding of how the process would work.
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If it ever got that far (it won't), the GOP would do a voter analysis. If they decided that more Greenlanders would vote for Democrats than for Republicans, they would not accept it as a state.
This is (one) thing that blows my mind about Canada 51st state bullshit. After a hostile takeover, if it were to happen, do they think Canadians are going to support the GOP who took away their health care and (more) affordable higher education system?
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Slim Cognito wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 2:44 pm
If it ever got that far (it won't), the GOP would do a voter analysis. If they decided that more Greenlanders would vote for Democrats than for Republicans, they would not accept it as a state.
This is (one) thing that blows my mind about Canada 51st state bullshit. After a hostile takeover, if it were to happen, do they think Canadians are going to support the GOP who took away their health care and (more) affordable higher education system?
You are assuming that they would automatically become citizens with voting rights…

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That made my day. Thx!
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Let's keep in mind, he wants Greenland because it has large deposits of rare earth metals, vital for high tech manufacturing.

He wants Panama because his hotel there wasn't paying taxes, but the Panamanian government forced it to pay. Same for Canada, IIRC.

It's all about the personal greed and venality. He still doesn't have any actual policies. :roll:
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Foggy wrote: Wed Jan 22, 2025 2:06 pm Let's keep in mind, he wants Greenland because it has large deposits of rare earth metals, vital for high tech manufacturing.

He wants Panama because his hotel there wasn't paying taxes, but the Panamanian government forced it to pay. Same for Canada, IIRC.

It's all about the personal greed and venality. He still doesn't have any actual policies. :roll:
To note that those are only presumed deposits, not confirmed, and they still are covered by miles of thick ice. Ownership of Greenland will only become interesting several decades down the timeline of Climate Change. After which it is assumed that the bare rocks will be amenable to exploring what lies beneath. Will not happen in the lifetime of any current capitalists and robber barons. Possibly Barron T.'s grandchildren could profit from it.
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Yeah, but he doesn't know all that, or anything. He knows there is wealth in Greenland, and he wants it. Simple as that.
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Just the approach by DonOld must be infuriating. One does not pick up the phone on Day One and get hold of Denmarks president and tell him he needs "to sell" part of the countries territory. It's not the presidents ownership to begin with. Anyhow, that's why DonOld should have his cronies in the State Department lay the groundwork. Diplomats and special envoys doing the difficile work of convincing them that it's in a common interest and the interest of the territory to make a change, and preparing the signing of a treaty. That's when the Golden Boy gets to step in and get praise rather than his hard working officials.
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Trump says he believes US will 'get Greenland'

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crkez ... 0DQagU4AHQ
President Donald Trump has said he believes the US will gain control of Greenland, after showing renewed interest in acquiring the autonomous Danish territory in recent weeks.

"I think we're going to have it," he told reporters on Air Force One on Saturday, adding that the island's 57,000 residents "want to be with us".

His comments come after reports that Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen insisted Greenland was not for sale in a fiery phone call with the president last week.

Trump floated the prospect of buying the vast Arctic territory during his first term in 2019, and has said US control of Greenland is an "absolute necessity" for international security.

"I think the people want to be with us," Trump said when asked about the island in the press room on board the presidential plane.

"I don't really know what claim Denmark has to it, but it would be a very unfriendly act if they didn't allow that to happen because it's for the protection of the free world," he added.

"I think Greenland we'll get because it has to do with freedom of the world," Trump continued.

"It has nothing to do with the United States other than that we're the one that can provide the freedom. They can't."

Despite Trump's apparent confidence, the prime ministers of Greenland and Denmark have both previously said the island was not for sale.
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Volkonski wrote: Sun Jan 26, 2025 2:59 pm Trump says he believes US will 'get Greenland'

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/crkez ... 0DQagU4AHQ
President Donald Trump has said he believes the US will gain control of Greenland, after showing renewed interest in acquiring the autonomous Danish territory in recent weeks.

"I think we're going to have it," he told reporters on Air Force One on Saturday, adding that the island's 57,000 residents "want to be with us".

His comments come after reports that Danish Prime Minister Mette Frederiksen insisted Greenland was not for sale in a fiery phone call with the president last week.

Trump floated the prospect of buying the vast Arctic territory during his first term in 2019, and has said US control of Greenland is an "absolute necessity" for international security.

"I think the people want to be with us," Trump said when asked about the island in the press room on board the presidential plane.

"I don't really know what claim Denmark has to it, but it would be a very unfriendly act if they didn't allow that to happen because it's for the protection of the free world," he added.

"I think Greenland we'll get because it has to do with freedom of the world," Trump continued.

"It has nothing to do with the United States other than that we're the one that can provide the freedom. They can't."

Despite Trump's apparent confidence, the prime ministers of Greenland and Denmark have both previously said the island was not for sale.
Trump isn't at all about freedom, unless it's about him.
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Can Greenlanders take out a restraining order on Donnie?

He is making violent threats.

Also RICO is on line three (;P)
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