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Since when were tweets out of the WH to solve a pre-presidency problem suddenly to become an "official act" :confuzzled:

Also too I believe the evidence was not just taken from the senders phone but from the recipients device.

May I ask if there are records of this communication in the archives of this interaction when done as "official act". Or did he shred them like he sent government documents down the toilette? I guess ignoring all these procedures is now classified under immunity.
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They were not on the official POTUS twitter account. So fuck him.
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:bag: my bad, did write Tweet when I really was meaning to say messaging, like sms or whatsapp etc. - a private conversation, not public.
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Suranis wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:05 am They were not on the official POTUS twitter account. So fuck him.
Doesn't matter.
White House: Trump’s tweets are ‘official statements’

White House press secretary Sean Spicer said Tuesday President Donald Trump’s tweets are indeed official statements.

“The President is the President of the United States, so they’re considered official statements by the President of the United States,” Spicer said, when asked during his daily briefing how they should be characterized. Spicer did not indicate whether that included both of the President’s Twitter handles: @realDonaldTrump and @POTUS.

Spicer, who fields a lot of questions about the meaning of the President’s tweets, was asked if Trump undermines his own agenda-setting when he tweets. On Monday, for example, rather than focusing on his administration’s planned roll out of a week focused on infrastructure, Trump knocked his Justice Department’s handing of his travel ban in the wake of a terrorist attack in London.

“The President is the most effective messenger on his agenda,” Spicer said. He then touted Trump’s 110 million followers across social media platforms.

“And the same people critiquing his use of it now critiqued it during the election and it turned out pretty well for him,” Spicer said.

After his aides rolled out a week on infrastructure rebuilding, the President has undercut their messages and briefings, taking to social media to admonish the “MSM” (mainstream media) and call forcefully for a travel ban from certain countries.

In a follow-up question, another reporter asked about the ACLU’s tweet that they will use the President’s tweets in building a case in the Supreme Court: “Yes, we may incorporate @realDonaldTrump’s tweets about the ban into our Supreme Court argument.”

“We’ve made it clear that the danger is real the law is clear, and there is no question that we should prevail,” Spicer said.
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RTH10260 wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 3:49 am Since when were tweets out of the WH to solve a pre-presidency problem suddenly to become an "official act" :confuzzled:
Since July 1, 2024.
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A good (and salty) explainer:
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Sound like he admitted that it was not an "official act", was that reflected in the evidence?
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:fingerwag: The outer perimeter of official acts isn’t for him to decide.

That's a job for SCOTUS.
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ABC: Trump asks judge to toss hush money conviction and dismiss case following Supreme Court immunity ruling:
Trump's lawyers say "official-acts evidence" was used to fill "glaring holes."

Former President Donald Trump has asked a New York judge to dismiss his criminal hush money case and vacate his conviction on 34 felony counts by arguing the trial was "tainted" by evidence and testimony that the Supreme Court's landmark ruling on presidential immunity now makes off-limits.

In a 52-page filing made public on the same day the former president was originally scheduled to be sentenced, Trump's lawyers argued that prosecutors violated the Supreme Court's immunity doctrine by using evidence related to official acts -- including testimony from former White House aides-- to fill "glaring holes in their case."

"Because of the implications for the institution of the Presidency, the use of official-acts evidence was a structural error under the federal Constitution that tainted [the District Attorney's] grand jury proceedings as well as the trial," defense lawyers Todd Blanche and Emil Bove wrote.

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The Manhattan district attorney's office, which was given until July 24 to respond in writing, has not commented on the filing.

Defense attorneys emphasized the importance of former White House Communications Director Hope Hicks' testimony, including her recounting of interactions with Trump in 2018 when reporting about an alleged hush-money payment to adult film actress Stormy Daniels broke, to demonstrate Trump's knowledge of the payment and preference the story came out after the election.

Trump's lawyers argued that Hicks' testimony was "categorically inadmissible" because she was advising Trump on his official communications, and the Supreme Court's ruling placed limits on the use of testimony from presidential advisors related to official acts.

"This testimony concerned efforts by President Trump to work with Hicks to use the 'long-recognized aspect of Presidential power' known as the 'bully pulpit' to 'persuade Americans, including by speaking forcefully or critically, in ways that the President believes would advance the public interest,'" the filing said.

Defense lawyers used a similar argument to argue that tweets from Trump -- which prosecutors used to demonstrate an alleged "pressure campaign" to prevent former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen from cooperating with authorities in 2018 -- were official communications protected by immunity because the posts "fall well within the core authority of the Nation's Chief Executive."

Trump's lawyers also argued that the Manhattan district attorney's case theory required jurors to assess Trump's motive to actions while serving as president -- an inquiry that the Supreme Court prohibited in their ruling.
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Oh, for fucks sake, when did paying off a porn star to keep her from telling her (Really Disgusting) story to the press become an official presidential act?

I mean, other than the fuckwits sitting on Scotus.
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Slim Cognito wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:13 pm Oh, for fucks sake, when did paying off a porn star to keep her from telling her (Really Disgusting) story to the press become an official presidential act?
The defendant claims the post-inaugural evidence was (1) inadmissible evidence of official acts, and (2) necessary for the convictions.

I expect the judge to rule "even assuming the first point is true, the second point isn't." DENNIED.
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bob wrote: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:20 pm I expect the judge to rule "even assuming the first point is true, the second point isn't." DENNIED.
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Longer (but also unimpressed) explainer:
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TheNewSaint wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 5:12 pm
RTH10260 wrote: Tue Jul 02, 2024 3:49 am Since when were tweets out of the WH to solve a pre-presidency problem suddenly to become an "official act" :confuzzled:
Since July 1, 2024.
I would argue that the White House and POTUS have an actual official account to use for official business. Trump used his personal Twitter account, which seems to suggest that he wasn't intended any of those tweets to be taken as official presidential spewings.
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RVInit wrote: Sat Jul 13, 2024 8:54 am I would argue that the White House and POTUS have an actual official account to use for official business. Trump used his personal Twitter account, which seems to suggest that he wasn't intended any of those tweets to be taken as official presidential spewings.
I seem to remember Sean Spicer arguing otherwise.

Yep, quick search confirms https://time.com/4808270/sean-spicer-do ... tatements/
June 6, 2017 5:56 PM EDT President Donald Trump considers his tweets to be official White House statements, according to Press Secretary Sean Spicer.

When asked at a press briefing whether Trump’s tweets qualify as official statements on behalf of the White House, Spicer said that he “is the President of the United States, so they’re considered official statements by the President of the United States.”

The reporter then inquired if Trump is concerned that his tweets could be used against him in matters like the proposed travel ban. On Monday, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) said on Twitter that it might include Trump’s tweets about the ban in their Supreme Court argument. The ACLU was referencing a series of tweets from the president on Saturday in which he reiterated his definition of the executive order as a “ban,” rather than the “vetting system” label Spicer gave it earlier this year.

“I think we’ve made it clear with respect that the court should follow the law,” Spicer replied. “And I think the danger is real, the law is clear, and there’s no question that we should prevail at the Supreme Court.”
The reason he didn't use the official POTUS account is that he knew his twits would look idiotic next to the Writings of other Presidents and he couldn't handle the implied comparison. That's actually fairly typical malignant narcissist behaviour.

Later when a court told him to start using the official WH POTUS account if he wanted to have them considered official posts, Turnip only posted 2 or 3 times on it and never used it again.
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The WH account ones are archived for posterity. I assume the personal account ones are not.

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Here's a snopes article about that

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump ... r-archive/

I think I remember reading once that his Twitter Ban helped the various espionage cases on him since the posts still existed and he was not able to access them to delete them.
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I think this relates to this case.

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For the benefit of those who lack the bandwidth to dive deeper here, was there any *attempt* at a substantive reason for the review/appeal/replay?
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Ben-Prime wrote: Fri Aug 02, 2024 2:37 pm For the benefit of those who lack the bandwidth to dive deeper here, was there any *attempt* at a substantive reason for the review/appeal/replay?
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