Marc E. Elias @marceelias wrote: Donald Trump asked for immunity to assassinate his political opponents. Today, the Supreme Court took a big step in his direction.
Like Justice Sotomayor, I fear for our country and the future of democracy.
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“Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” —John Adams
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https://x.com/ElieNYC/status/1807852538579820598
Elie Mystal @ElieNYC wrote: Look, I appreciate that people still want to find *some way* to think that Trump is going to be brought to justice for January 6.
But he WILL NOT be brought to justice. That part of the conversation is OVER. Trump won. People need to deal with that in their own way, but he WON.
The more relevant question is "NOW... WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO?" Trump won. He iced the bookeeper. He killed Sean Connery. NOW, WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO?
Are you prepared to go to the mattresses against the Supreme Court? Are you prepared to DEMAND court expansion as a condition for your next vote, in your next primary? Yes? Then we can talk. NO? Then there is no point.
Maybe it's because I'm Black. Maybe it's because I'm a Mets fan. But, like, SOMETIMES WE LOSE. Often, even. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THE BAD GUYS WIN.
They won today. Now, what are you prepared to do?
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https://x.com/hugolowell/status/1807896768459559229
Hugo Lowell @hugolowell wrote: New: President Biden will deliver remarks on the Supreme Court's immunity ruling at 7:45pm, per White House
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There was talk about how he wanted to kill protesters and kill the leaker of him running to the bunker. Now there's nothing really stopping him from doing so if he winsraison de arizona wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 6:07 pmMarc E. Elias @marceelias wrote: Donald Trump asked for immunity to assassinate his political opponents. Today, the Supreme Court took a big step in his direction.
Like Justice Sotomayor, I fear for our country and the future of democracy.
Watch our full episode.
https://youtu.be/79uRRckWrfs
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Both alito and Kavanaugh during their confirmation pretended they were adamant about the president not being above the law and not having this kind of immunityraison de arizona wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 6:02 pm Wow, bet this guy feels pretty dumb about now.
Republicans against Trump @RpsAgainstTrump wrote: Mitch McConnell, Feb. 2021: “Trump is still liable for everything he did while he was in office…We have a criminal justice system in this country. We have civil litigation and former presidents are not immune from being held accountable by either one”
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Stop electing assholes
Fill the executive branch with non-assholes
Fill the Congress with non-assholes
Nominate and confirm non-assholes to the judicial branch who want to be there.
Fill the executive branch with non-assholes
Fill the Congress with non-assholes
Nominate and confirm non-assholes to the judicial branch who want to be there.
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"Brought to justice" for me would be if the motherfucker got nailed by a garbage truck and spent the next many, many more years of his life in constant pain, unable to speak and incontinent.raison de arizona wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 6:20 pm https://x.com/ElieNYC/status/1807852538579820598Elie Mystal @ElieNYC wrote: Look, I appreciate that people still want to find *some way* to think that Trump is going to be brought to justice for January 6.
But he WILL NOT be brought to justice. That part of the conversation is OVER. Trump won. People need to deal with that in their own way, but he WON.
The more relevant question is "NOW... WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO?" Trump won. He iced the bookeeper. He killed Sean Connery. NOW, WHAT ARE YOU PREPARED TO DO?
Are you prepared to go to the mattresses against the Supreme Court? Are you prepared to DEMAND court expansion as a condition for your next vote, in your next primary? Yes? Then we can talk. NO? Then there is no point.
Maybe it's because I'm Black. Maybe it's because I'm a Mets fan. But, like, SOMETIMES WE LOSE. Often, even. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, THE BAD GUYS WIN.
They won today. Now, what are you prepared to do?
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sugar magnolia wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 6:41 pm
"Brought to justice" for me would be if the motherfucker got nailed by a garbage truck and spent the next many, many more years of his life in constant pain, unable to speak and incontinent.
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VoteVets @votevets wrote:GEN (Ret.) Mark Milley says what EVERYONE who's ever served should be saying right now:
"We don't take an oath to a king or queen or tyrant...We don't take an oath to a wannabe dictator. We take an oath to the Constitution!"
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I have GOT to watch that movie one day.John Thomas8 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 6:50 pmsugar magnolia wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 6:41 pm
"Brought to justice" for me would be if the motherfucker got nailed by a garbage truck and spent the next many, many more years of his life in constant pain, unable to speak and incontinent.
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So I've heard, but the last time I was able to sit through a movie was at least 3 decades ago. I finally gave up trying.
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Norman Ornstein @NormOrnstein wrote: Yes. He can also command the IRS to go after the assets of the Washington Post or New York Times if they criticize him. The slightly more benign model here is the way in which Viktor Orban has used a pliant court to go after enemies and distort democracy. Then there is the Putin model.Greg Sargent @GregTSargent wrote: Question for legal experts: Does this from SCOTUS's ruling mean that in a second term, Trump can command the Justice Department to prosecute anyone at all without any factual basis whatsoever, while knowing he will enjoy absolute immunity for it after leaving office?
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Sheesh. As if any US President would accept bribes for pardons.
https://x.com/CREWcrew/status/1807912209055392049
https://x.com/CREWcrew/status/1807912209055392049
Citizens for Ethics @CREWcrew wrote: The Supreme Court has effectively just ruled that a president could accept a $500,000 bribe to pardon someone.
Because the pardon power is a core constitutional function, that means the president has absolute immunity from prosecution for accepting that bribe.
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So does this mean that his immunity powers are stronger than our laws? If he orders his DOJ to do something that is patently illegal, and they follow his orders, will they be held to the laws even though he has immunity? If they disregard his illegal order, can he then mete out some sort of punishment to them?
Orders his DOJ to shoot someone on 5th Ave.
They do it.
They get caught.
Then?????...
Or...
They refuse to do it...
trump gets pissed off and orders them beheaded (or fired, or whatever)....
Then???...
Orders his DOJ to shoot someone on 5th Ave.
They do it.
They get caught.
Then?????...
Or...
They refuse to do it...
trump gets pissed off and orders them beheaded (or fired, or whatever)....
Then???...
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He can just pardon them, no?sugar magnolia wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:13 pm So does this mean that his immunity powers are stronger than our laws? If he orders his DOJ to do something that is patently illegal, and they follow his orders, will they be held to the laws even though he has immunity? If they disregard his illegal order, can he then mete out some sort of punishment to them?
Orders his DOJ to shoot someone on 5th Ave.
They do it.
They get caught.
Then?????...
One of the examples in SCOTUS case was ordering Seal Team Six to assassinate someone, I think this one is A-OK.Or...
They refuse to do it...
trump gets pissed off and orders them beheaded (or fired, or whatever)....
Then???...
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Mark Hertling @MarkHertling wrote: As a former military guy, I’m trying to figure out how a commander can refuse an illegal order from someone who is issuing it as an official act.
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Elie Mystal, much like the rest of us, is having A Day.
https://x.com/ElieNYC/status/1807818986395951190
https://x.com/ElieNYC/status/1807818986395951190
Elie Mystal @ElieNYC wrote: By the way, everybody who has been pushing this narrative that the Conservative court was somehow "moderate" and there's a 3-3-3 split with Roberts, Brett & Amy being reasonable need to form a line behind me to kiss my black ass.
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https://twitter.com/tribelaw/status/1807936604624826608
They are breaking the law. The executive, and the executive branch enforce the law. Why not arrest Alito and Thomas, if not the other three as well, declare their seats vacant, and replace them? Surely that is within the newfound powers of the executive in their official duties?
Laurence Tribe 🇺🇦 ⚖️ @tribelaw wrote: Of the 6-Justice majority in today’s terrible immunity decision, two justices (Thomas, Alito) were violating federal law (28 USC 455) by not recusing from the case and three (Gorsuch, Kavanaugh, Barrett) were appointed by the man whom the decision essentially immunized. Hmmm.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/28/45528 USC 455 wrote:28 U.S. Code § 455 - Disqualification of justice, judge, or magistrate judge
(a)Any justice, judge, or magistrate judge of the United States shall disqualify himself in any proceeding in which his impartiality might reasonably be questioned.
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They are breaking the law. The executive, and the executive branch enforce the law. Why not arrest Alito and Thomas, if not the other three as well, declare their seats vacant, and replace them? Surely that is within the newfound powers of the executive in their official duties?
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FIFYraison de arizona wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 8:06 pm Sheesh. As if any US President would accept bribes gratuities for pardons.
https://x.com/CREWcrew/status/1807912209055392049Citizens for Ethics @CREWcrew wrote: The Supreme Court has effectively just ruled that a president could accept a $500,000 bribe to pardon someone.
Because the pardon power is a core constitutional function, that means the president has absolute immunity from prosecution for accepting that bribe.
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I wonder how James Comey is feeling today?
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A follow-up Question
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How illegal must an order by a POTUS now be that government employees can reject to perform it without getting harmed, how will performing it get them excused in court from doing it? Especially when it's the Commander-in-Chief? Is only the POTUS in person protectected or are assisting persons too?
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How illegal must an order by a POTUS now be that government employees can reject to perform it without getting harmed, how will performing it get them excused in court from doing it? Especially when it's the Commander-in-Chief? Is only the POTUS in person protectected or are assisting persons too?
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Dude. Have you been listening? If POTUS gives an order, IT'S NOT ILLEGAL. Period.RTH10260 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:18 pm A follow-up Question
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How illegal must an order by a POTUS now be that government employees can reject to perform it without getting harmed, how will performing it get them excused in court from doing it? Especially when it's the Commander-in-Chief? Is only the POTUS in person protectected or are assisting persons too?
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ETA: I want to see drone strikes on Mar-a-Lago. Posthaste.
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Geez, I was worried there for a hot minute.
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Easier said than done? Would you like to revisit that, Politico?
Easier said than done? Would you like to revisit that, Politico?
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https://x.com/TeaPainUSA/status/1807832786167890101
Tea Pain @TeaPainUSA wrote: TRUMP: "I can shoot someone on 5th Avenue and get away with it."
SCOTUS: "Here, use our gun."
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That's the point being made here:raison de arizona wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:19 pmDude. Have you been listening? If POTUS gives an order, IT'S NOT ILLEGAL. Period.RTH10260 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2024 10:18 pm A follow-up Question
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How illegal must an order by a POTUS now be that government employees can reject to perform it without getting harmed, how will performing it get them excused in court from doing it? Especially when it's the Commander-in-Chief? Is only the POTUS in person protectected or are assisting persons too?
"The president told me to murder babies. The president isn't going to be prosecuted if I do that, but I will be prosecuted if I do that. And if I refuse to murder babies, the president will have me murdered. And the president won't be prosecuted for having me murdered. So ... murder babies?"Mark Hertling @MarkHertling wrote: As a former military guy, I’m trying to figure out how a commander can refuse an illegal order from someone who is issuing it as an official act.
Or, slightly more lightheartedly:
Terry Lakin: "I refuse to deploy because President Obama isn't really the president."
Obama: "Hang Lakin from the nearest yardarm."
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