1st 2024 Presidential Debate - 6/27/2024 on CNN

[Cyrus Breckenridge]

Sadly, given that appearances matter more than content to a depressingly large number of people and how the media will undoubtedly react, this does not bode well.

Even allowing for the general left-leaning of Fogbowers (in which I include myself), I am astonished that there is so little acknowledgment of just how disastrous that debate was for Joe Biden.

[Foggy]

Yeah, because you can't tell how disastrous it was until November. It might not turn out to be so bad. Joe had a cold and Trump delivered a firehose of lies. Time will tell.

[Suranis]

Maybe its just me, but I'm not seeing the usual flame wars erupting out there after this debate. The Trolls are not getting bites on either side, and even the usual Russian "Pretend to be arguing 2 people arguing extreme positions to start a flame war" stuff is pretty muted. The MAGA Trolls are just getting "You just keep voting for a Felon" responses.

I don't think, for all the effort of the media and everyone else to push Trump, that this debate is going to move the needle at all.

[pipistrelle]

Yeah, because you can't tell how disastrous it was until November. It might not turn out to be so bad. Joe had a cold and Trump delivered a firehose of lies. Time will tell.

I didn't see it. Biden hasn't had a strong voice for a while, so I'm guessing it was worse.

Cold/hoarse voice vs. January 6/COVID deaths/most anxious 4 years of my life. Hmmm, what to do, what to do . . .

Of course, I ain't afeard of Kamala Harris as MAGA is.

[pipistrelle]

Maybe its just me, but I'm not seeing the usual flame wars erupting out there after this debate. The Trolls are not getting bites on either side, and even the usual Russian "Pretend to be arguing 2 people arguing extreme positions to start a flame war" stuff is pretty muted. The MAGA Trolls are just getting "You just keep voting for a Felon" responses.

I don't think, for all the effort of the media and everyone else to push Trump, that this debate is going to move the needle at all.

That's how I see it. Or it's not going to move the needle toward the felon.

Dr. Jack Brown has caught the variety of facial expressions the felon uses when lying, etc.

Here's one:

[pipistrelle]

[pipistrelle]

And one for the other guy.

[p0rtia]

Sadly, given that appearances matter more than content to a depressingly large number of people and how the media will undoubtedly react, this does not bode well.

Even allowing for the general left-leaning of Fogbowers (in which I include myself), I am astonished that there is so little acknowledgment of just how disastrous that debate was for Joe Biden.

I get your drift that you think there should be more catastrophizing, but I'm not sure why. No one is saying he was great. Or good. Or passable. Saying he sucked is accurate, but to me not a necessity for credibility. Moreover, a lot of shit went down last night. Lots to process. A lot of hopes fell flat.

My beef is the relative silence on the horror show from the other guy (not here).

[John Thomas8]

[raison de arizona]

All 50 of Trump’s Lies Tonight

That's 16 More Lies Than He Has Felonies

That's 48 More Lies than He Has Impeachments

[p0rtia]

CNN said in the last hour that it was 30 lies for fuckhead, and 9 for Biden.

NB1 Some of Biden's "lies" were obvious mistakes in numbers and not an intent to deceive.

NB2 CNN can't count, either.

[RVInit]

CNN said in the last hour that it was 30 lies for fuckhead, and 9 for Biden.

NB1 Some of Biden's "lies" were obvious mistakes in numbers and not an intent to deceive.

NB2 CNN can't count, either.

Yup.

But he was on fire today in North Carolina. Way to go, Biden! He was badass.

[John Thomas8]

[raison de arizona]

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1806 ... 07134?s=19

Wtf are black jobs?

Yeah tfg casually throwing off racist tropes of “Black and Hispanic jobs” being the ones undocumented migrants are taking was fairly breathtaking. In a sea of breathtaking lies. I’m drowning.

https://x.com/IsisJai/status/1806527018328019359

CBS journalist just asked Marc Rubio, “What’s a Black Job?”

“You know migrants come in and work at a lower wage.”

Journalist: “So Senator are you saying Black jobs are low wage jobs?”

Senator: *stutters*

He’s fumbling! CLOCKED!!!

I mean, I'm not saying Marco Rubio is a racist duplicitous asshole, but...

Oh wait, yes I am.

Marco Rubio a racist duplicitous asshole.

Remember when Marco Rubio accused tfg of having a small penis? And then tfg defended the size of his penis?

Good times.

What have we sunk to? Who votes for these morons?

[Frater I*I]

What have we sunk to? Who votes for these morons?

The Dumbest Population of any Industrialized Nation....

[Dave from down under]

that relies on apathy and voter suppression and jerrymandering to ensure that true representative government never happens

[Dr. Ken]

Trump doubled down at this rally talking about black jobs and Latino jobs

[pipistrelle]

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[raison de arizona]

That's 'cause Biden may have trouble stammering getting his points out, but tfg's psychosis was on full display.
https://x.com/ChrisDJackson/status/1806846245987856528

BREAKING: Post Debate Morning Consult Poll Shows Biden Lead

Once again, the talking heads were wrong. In their post debate poll, @MorningConsult finds President leading:

Biden: 45%
Trump: 44%

538: #116 (1.8/3.0) | June 28 | 2,000 RV

Biden actually gained a point from their survey earlier this week.

Will the media report this or just keep yapping about unsupported narratives?

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[raison de arizona]

WTF? Ignore it and it will go away?

How did we have an entire debate without a single question about Project 2025?

Project 2025 is the single most dangerous agenda any of us have ever seen for a prospective president, and we just… didn’t talk about it?

[raison de arizona]

Word on the street is that tfg refused to participate in the debate if there were any fact checking.

[raison de arizona]

A reminder about what a great golfer tfg is. And also, how perhaps that isn't the best measure of fitness for office anyway.

Next time, just mock the absurdity of his claim that he won the last two Club Championships on his own golf course in his own tournaments. Also mock how cartoonish he is to use it as his best argument on fitness for office. Don’t tit for tat a psychopath.

[Suranis]

Word on the street is that tfg refused to participate in the debate if there were any fact checking.

Earlier on today, I was actually wondering whether that happened. It is pretty much on point, threatening the studio unless he got his own way. Typical narcissistic cowardice. He knew he would crash and burn if he was challenged in any way.

[raison de arizona]

"If I ask you a question and you lie to me with the answer, I ought to follow up and give you what the facts are and see what your reaction to that would be."

BREAKING: Jim Clyburn just slammed Dana Bash for not fact checking Donald Trump at all during the debate. Trump lied over and over again with little pushback. Retweet so all Americans know Trump’s running on lies.

[raison de arizona]

Put up or shut up.
https://twitter.com/donwinslow/status/1 ... 3005311166

Please send a tweet out asking @CNN to publish today the rules both parties agreed to for last week's debate and ask them to highlight the section where it says their journalists will completely stand down and allow Donald Trump to spew over 30 outrageous lies.