Bragg Manhattan DA charges tfg? Hush money. tfg “INDICATED!” - CONVICTED!!

[Dr. Ken]

@realDonaldTrump

I DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT THE CHARGES ARE IN THIS RIGGED CASE—I AM ENTITLED TO SPECIFICITY JUST LIKE ANYONE ELSE. THERE IS NO CRIME!

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrum ... 2887767619

Maybe he shouldn't have slept through jury instructions

[Suranis]

So, yeah, maybe he just did the dirty, got up and left, and is now relying on a techicality that he did not sleep with her.

They were in his room, he pressured her into the nasty and then dismissed her. He didn't even escort her to her room nor did he get any of his bodyguards to do it. He left that duty to Ben Roethlisberger, then Quarterback for the Pittsburgh Steelers American Football team. Who asked her for a "goodnight Kiss" and when she refused and went into her room, Ben knocked on her room for a few minutes.

This whole thing has a pile of grease a mile high.

So no, Turnip didn't "sleep" with her. And he tried to ensure that no-one directly associated with him was seen with her after the deed.

[Kendra]

If anyone wants to see this morning's rant

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrum ... 3198639125

Mother Teresa could not beat these charges. These charges are rigged. The whole thing is rigged!

[Reality Check]

The case went to the jury at 11:28 AM ET. I wouldn't even try to guess the outcome. I thought the prosecutor did a very good job in closing of simplifying a rather complex legal case. I hope the jury paid attention. They had a long day.

[Kendra]

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrum ... 8929412796

IT IS RIDICULOUS, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, AND UNAMERICAN that the highly Conflicted, Radical Left Judge is not requiring a unanimous decision on the fake charges against me brought by Soros backed D.A. Alvin Bragg. A THIRD WORLD ELECTION INTERFERENCE HOAX!

[MN-Skeptic]

Link to the jury instructions - https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/pre ... -23-24.pdf

[Kendra]

CNN says the buzzer has gone off in the courtroom. A question? A verdict?

[SuzieC]

Jury sends a note.

[sterngard friegen]

Link to the jury instructions - https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/pre ... -23-24.pdf

New York, like most states, has form jury instructions. I haven't heard any of the talking heads mention that fact. Justice Merchan didn't create the instructions out of whole cloth but used form instructions and in many cases adapted them to this trial.

Here's a link: https://www.nycourts.gov/judges/cji/index.shtml

[SuzieC]

They want some testimony from Pecker read back.

[sterngard friegen]

They want some testimony from Pecker read back.

Yes. Testimony that proves the conspiracy which Bragg didn't charge. Still relevant to Trump's subsequent conduct and guilt, but Bragg should have charged the conspiracy as well.

[Reality Check]

They want some testimony from Pecker read back.

and Cohen.

Katie Phang
@KatiePhang
THE FOUR REQUESTS:
1) David Pecker’s testimony regarding the phone conversation with Donald Trump while Pecker was in the investor meeting
2) David Pecker’s testimony re: life rights for McDougal.
3) Pecker testimony regarding TT meeting
4) Michael Cohen’s testimony regarding TT meeting


Katie Phang
@KatiePhang
Merchan will bring the jurors out for the reading of the requested testimony and a court reporter will do the read backs, but only after there is a decision as to what portions will be read back.

[Maybenaut]

They want some testimony from Pecker read back.

Yes. Testimony that proves the conspiracy which Bragg didn't charge. Still relevant to Trump's subsequent conduct and guilt, but Bragg should have charged the conspiracy as well.

Isn’t conspiracy a lesser included offense - that is, all of the elements of conspiracy are included in the greater offense? Where I practiced, the jury would have been instructed that if they did not find that the government proved the greater offense, they could still find the defendant guilty of the lesser offense. Sometimes the gov’t wanted to roll the dice rather than allow the jury to reach a compromise verdict.

The jury in this case was not instructed on LIOs.

[andersweinstein]

1. False records done with intent to conceal ==>
2. NYS misdemeanor conspiracy to influence election by illegal means ==>
3. with illegal means = choice of (a) FECA violation or (b) tax fraud [no need for unanimity]

I see from jury instructions, I left out a THIRD option for illegal means 3:

3 ... or (c) cause falsifcation of OTHER business records

I gather that is the same offense as 1, but applied to OTHER records. Also need only be misdemeanor level (2nd degree) falsification. Oh what a tangled web we weave, when first we practice to falsify business records!

For purposes of determining whether Falsifying Business Records in the Second Degree was an unlawful means used by a conspiracy to promote or prevent an election here, you may consider: (i) the bank records associated with Michael Cohen’s account formation paperwork for Resolution Consultants LLC and Essential Consultants LLC accounts; (ii) the bank records associated with Michael Cohen’s wire to Keith Davidson; (iii) the invoice from Investor Advisory Services Inc. to Resolution Consultants LLC; and (iv) the 1099-MISC forms that the Trump Organization issued to Michael Cohen.

[p0rtia]

CNN says the buzzer has gone off in the courtroom. A question? A verdict?

One buzz for question.

Two buzzes for verdict.

(The NY legal heads tell me.)

[andersweinstein]

Isn’t conspiracy a lesser included offense - that is, all of the elements of conspiracy are included in the greater offense? Where I practiced, the jury would have been instructed that if they did not find that the government proved the greater offense, they could still find the defendant guilty of the lesser offense. Sometimes the gov’t wanted to roll the dice rather than allow the jury to reach a compromise verdict.

I wouldn't think the conspiracy is an included offense, since, as has been mentioned, conviction for felony falsification does not require proving the conspiracy beyond reasonable doubt. Or even that it ever occurred. Suppose somebody falsifies records for the purpose of concealing a planned bank robbery, then backs out of the robbery plan. No robbery occurred, but as I understand it they could still be guilty of falsification done with intent to conceal crime.

According to the lawfare explainer, there are NYS cases in which both falsification AND some "object offense" bumping falsification to a felony were charged, defendant was acquitted on the object offense, but convicted on felony-level falsfication (with its intent to conceal crime) and appellate courts upheld. ETA:

A series of additional cases from New York’s Fourth Department provides further support for this read of the statute. These cases aren’t precedential for Merchan, but they’re still a helpful guide for how New York courts have previously interpreted the statute. In People v. McCumiskey, People v. Houghtaling, People v. Crane, and People v. Holley, a jury convicted a defendant under § 175.10 but deadlocked or acquitted on the charged object offense. And in each of those cases, the appellate court upheld the conviction. In McCumiskey, for example, the Fourth Department held, “The jury could therefore convict defendant of falsifying business records if the jury concluded that defendant had the intent to commit or conceal another crime, even if he was not convicted of the other crime.” Justice Merchan cites McCumiskey alongside Thompson in his ruling on Trump’s motion to dismiss.

These rulings from the Fourth Department are terse, but the appeals court expanded on its reasoning in greater depth in Holley, in which the defendant argued that his conviction under § 175.10 but acquittal on the object offense of insurance fraud constituted a “repugnant verdict” under New York law—meaning a verdict in which a defendant is convicted of a crime “on which the jury has actually found that the defendant did not commit an essential element.” Pointing to McCumiskey and Crane, the appeals court held that “the jury's not guilty verdict on the counts of insurance fraud did not necessarily negate an essential element of the falsifying business records in the first degree counts.”

What must prosecutors prove in Trump's NY Trial?

[sugar magnolia]

Link to the jury instructions - https://www.nycourts.gov/LegacyPDFS/pre ... -23-24.pdf

New York, like most states, has form jury instructions. I haven't heard any of the talking heads mention that fact. Justice Merchan didn't create the instructions out of whole cloth but used form instructions and in many cases adapted them to this trial.

Here's a link: https://www.nycourts.gov/judges/cji/index.shtml

Tapper mentioned it and pointed out at least one example of where Marchan had changed (added?) something. That was right before I started screaming "For god's sake, Jake, shut the fuck up!" at the tv so I don't remember the details.

[Kendra]

The buzzer was rung again. Another note?

[Rolodex]

A comment: I read a slightly amusing article that there was another "doctored records" case going on in the same courthouse. This one involved an administrator at Bellevue Hospital who falsified records regarding a security guard who apparently beat up a patient while releasing him. Admin guy plead guilty.

Question for IALs or maybe history-oriented people: In this case (and in all the cases where I've served as a juror), the judge reads the jury instructions. Definitely needed for the court record. But what is the reason jurors can't have a written copy in the jury room? I am one who needs to read things to understand them and don't do well just hearing information; this part was a real struggle for me. [when I look for how-to info or reviews, etc I look for written articles, never videos]. It doesn't seem fair to people who have different learning modes; when I was teaching class music, I taught each concept at least 3 different ways - one for my aural learners, another for kinesthetic learners and another for visual learners.

So what's the reason for jurors to have no written copy of their charge? When/if they ask the judge about it, all they get is a reading of the exact sentence - no explanation, so why not just have it in front of you?

[realist]

A comment: I read a slightly amusing article that there was another "doctored records" case going on in the same courthouse. This one involved an administrator at Bellevue Hospital who falsified records regarding a security guard who apparently beat up a patient while releasing him. Admin guy plead guilty.

Question for IALs or maybe history-oriented people: In this case (and in all the cases where I've served as a juror), the judge reads the jury instructions. Definitely needed for the court record. But what is the reason jurors can't have a written copy in the jury room? I am one who needs to read things to understand them and don't do well just hearing information; this part was a real struggle for me. [when I look for how-to info or reviews, etc I look for written articles, never videos]. It doesn't seem fair to people who have different learning modes; when I was teaching class music, I taught each concept at least 3 different ways - one for my aural learners, another for kinesthetic learners and another for visual learners.

So what's the reason for jurors to have no written copy of their charge? When/if they ask the judge about it, all they get is a reading of the exact sentence - no explanation, so why not just have it in front of you?

Perhaps a NY (and/or other jurisdicitons) thing?

On the juries I've served on here, in state court, both civil and criminal, the jury was given a written copy of the instructions to refer to.

[Maybenaut]

The military jury gets a copy.

[W. Kevin Vicklund]

Off Topic

Dr. Vicklund has to check in for jury duty all next week. She has to call every night starting this Friday to find out if she has to go in the next business day.

[bob]

On the juries I've served on here, in state court, both civil and criminal, the jury was given a written copy of the instructions to refer to.

And in at least some jurisdictions, if there's conflict between the written and oral instructions, the written instructions prevail.

(This is a common enough claim, when the judge inadvertently doesn't say an important word, like "not.")

[Kendra]

https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump

I'm not gonna post individual links, just quote some of the most vile stuff.

Neil Cavuto and Shannon Bream should team up and do a Show together. The Ratings wouldn’t be good, because they’re anti-MAGA, but it’s not all about the Ratings!

I never knew Shannon Bream was so “naïve.” In her interview with my Representative, Alina Habba, Shannon just suggested that Crooked Joe Biden was not involved in my Show Trial. HOW STUPID! Not only is he involved, he is virtually leading it, and all of the other Trials as well - Meaning, his people, because he’s not mentally sharp enough to lead anything! Just take a look at the DOJ/White House Thugs involved, and everything else. Biden is incompetent, and feels that Weaponization is the only way he can win. He’s counting on the Shannon Breams of the World to get him there. Bad day for Shannon!

You can view a clip of the Bream/Habba interview at the link above.

[neonzx]

Where did tfg have these women imported from to mourn?