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Ben-Prime wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:02 am
andersweinstein wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:56 am I personally think it is much more probable that she was being blocked from entering the encampment, since protestors are using this tactic all over, and this illegal restriction of the rights of others is an issue for opponents of the protests.
Except she didn't claim she was prevented from entering. She claimed she was prevented from *leaving*.
If you watch the video, you'll notice she never says that.
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andersweinstein wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:40 am
Ben-Prime wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:02 am
andersweinstein wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:56 am I personally think it is much more probable that she was being blocked from entering the encampment, since protestors are using this tactic all over, and this illegal restriction of the rights of others is an issue for opponents of the protests.
Except she didn't claim she was prevented from entering. She claimed she was prevented from *leaving*.
If you watch the video, you'll notice she never says that.
Listen to what she says…

But just as with Killer Kyle you can gaslight as much as you like.
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“They are surrounding me, they won’t let me move”.

She lies to the police.

Just as Kyle lied.

Except here it is on video.
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“I need help”

True

Psychiatric

She is pathological/delusional liar and is a danger to herself, others and her dog.

Keep defending the indefensible
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https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/

https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/202 ... straction/
We’re fighting to stop a genocide. Slanders against our movements are a distraction.

People of conscience across the country are organizing in unprecedented numbers to demand divestment from Israeli apartheid and genocide. Our elected officials and the U.S. media, desperate to maintain unquestioning support for the Israeli war machine in service of their own interests, have responded by exploiting fears of rising antisemitism and smearing peaceful, anti-war protests as dangerous, anti-semitic mobs.

As the largest anti-Zionist Jewish organization in the world, we unequivocally reject the conflation of antisemitism with anti-Zionism and reaffirm in the strongest terms that there is no place for antisemitism in our movements. We condemn the false accusations of antisemitism leveled against principled, anti-war protesters to discredit our movements.
Much, much more at the link.
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Columbia has set a deadline of 2PM today for students to leave the encampment, on pain of suspension. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.

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Good luck with that....
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Prem Thakker @prem_thakker wrote: There have now been Palestine solidarity & anti-war student actions on at least 120 U.S. college campuses in the past week and a half
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raison de arizona wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 12:55 pm
Seems to me like distorted news. Perhaps the person has newer information, but according to https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/mass ... rcna149110 from April 27 there were 10 people unearthed that had been handcuffed. There is no information that exactly those people had been shot. It's not surprising that in a war zone people with headshots will be discovered in graves. There is no information that those may have been inpatients at the time of their demise.
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They're back...
Tony Plohetski @tplohetski wrote: BREAKING: Law enforcement moving in at the University of Texas campus in Austin to clear an impromptu encampment.
Jairo I Fúnez-Flores @Jairo_I_Funez wrote: This is what the militarization of the most liberal university in Texas looks like. These fascist state troopers are back at UT Austin to disperse protestors.
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There are NYPD officers massing in the area, not sure if we are going to see a showdown or what.
Steven Donziger @SDonziger wrote: BREAKING: Hundreds of Columbia students and faculty have streamed in to the center of campus to protect pro-Palestinian student protesters after the administration threatened to suspend anyone who did not vacate the area by 2 pm. Faculty are blockading the entrance to the camp.👊
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UT Austin says they are going to begin arrests.
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Looks like Things are about to go down at Columbia as well.
https://x.com/readytoescalate/status/17 ... 6185660830
escalatenetwork @readytoescalate wrote: BREAKING: At Columbia, public safety officers just kicked out students from their classes and are locking down buildings. NYPD assembling outside university gates as 100s of students and faculty prepare to defend the camp. #escalate4Gaza
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Ryan Chandler @RyanChandlerTV wrote: Incredible scene here at UT as 50 or so protesters cower together in the center as DPS pulls them from the pack to detain them one by one
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Unsurprisingly, things are getting ugly at UT Austin.
Lina Fisher @11nafisher wrote: As arrest vans try to leave a struggle breaks out on 22nd and cops use pepper spray on protestors
Ryan Chandler @RyanChandlerTV wrote: Pepper spray and flashbangs have been used
Anthony Larraga @anthony_larraga wrote: THIS POLICE OFFICER WAS BRUTALLY BEATING ON A STUDENT OR PERSON WHILE PUSHING THEM AGAINST A TRUCK AT UT AUSTIN CAMPUS. THIS IS AN EXCESSIVE USE OF FORVE AGAINST STUDENTS
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RTH10260 wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:23 pm
raison de arizona wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 12:55 pm
Seems to me like distorted news. Perhaps the person has newer information, but according to https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/mass ... rcna149110 from April 27 there were 10 people unearthed that had been handcuffed. There is no information that exactly those people had been shot. It's not surprising that in a war zone people with headshots will be discovered in graves. There is no information that those may have been inpatients at the time of their demise.
So you think maybe they suffocated?
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RTH10260 wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:23 pm
raison de arizona wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 12:55 pm
Seems to me like distorted news. Perhaps the person has newer information, but according to https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/mass ... rcna149110 from April 27 there were 10 people unearthed that had been handcuffed. There is no information that exactly those people had been shot. It's not surprising that in a war zone people with headshots will be discovered in graves. There is no information that those may have been inpatients at the time of their demise.
The first paragraph of the story you linked:
At mass graves in southern Gaza’s Nasser Hospital, Palestinian authorities say they are uncovering bodies that bear signs of having been shot in the head, their hands bound by zip ties, stripped of their clothes, or buried in hospital gowns with tubes or needles still in their skin. Among the dead are women and children.
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Protestors have retaken the south lawn at UT Austin.
Mister Frooby @buckets_of_baby wrote: Incredible sights at UT Austin as the growing protest marches against retreating (and mace wielding) cops, to retake the south lawn they were forced from earlier. Protests will not stop until UT divests from all interests in Israel. Hartzell and Abbot can't intimidate us.
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An iconic arrest at Virginia Tech last night.
thenotsoplainjane @realslimjanie wrote: Getting arrested in her cap and gown. The Virginia Tech admin are wimps compared to their student body. They should be so lucky to have these students on their campus.
Justin Fleenor 🔁 @JustinFleenor wrote: ARRESTS NOW: A Virginia Tech student in her graduation cap and gown being arrested right now at the Virginia Tech Gaza Liberation Protest
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It would appear the police force pushed in and arrested everyone in the tent area.
https://x.com/tplohetski/status/1785089417763279100
Tony Plohetski @tplohetski wrote: BREAKING: Travis County officials have been informed that 100+ protesters may be soon brought to jail, and charges likely will be more serious than last week, including resisting arrest and possibly assault.
That could mean signifcantly longer release times than Wednesday.
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raison de arizona wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 6:06 pm
RTH10260 wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 2:23 pm according to https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/mass ... rcna149110 from April 27 there were 10 people unearthed that had been handcuffed. There is no information that exactly those people had been shot. It's not surprising that in a war zone people with headshots will be discovered in graves.
The first paragraph of the story you linked:
At mass graves in southern Gaza’s Nasser Hospital, Palestinian authorities say they are uncovering bodies that bear signs of having been shot in the head, their hands bound by zip ties, stripped of their clothes, or buried in hospital gowns with tubes or needles still in their skin..
The article says "At least 165 [bodies] have been identified, with about 10 of them with their hands bound, said Dr. Muhammad Al-Mughair, head of evidence at Civil Defense, though he did not specify how many of the dead had bullet wounds to the head."

It looks to me like there is very good evidence Palestinians earlier had to bury lots of bodies in mass graves near the hospital. IDF bulldozed some grave sites, reportedly in search of bodies of hostages. So it is *possible* that IDF added bodies to the existing mass graves, but unconfirmed. See thread below, w/later update here: https://x.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1784735589364859140

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What is it that the students are doing that is illegal; that's getting them arrested? Is it against the law to set up the tents? To gather on campus somewhere? Are some protests getting violent (on their own without/before cops show up)? Besides obvious authoritarian violence-loving politicians (Abbott) who are gleeful about a show of force.
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andersweinstein wrote: Mon Apr 29, 2024 7:52 pm The article says "At least 165 [bodies] have been identified, with about 10 of them with their hands bound,
Also, the updated GeoConfirm thread concludes:
Another example are the claims about handcuffs.
(We do not state that this did not occur) (Picture: [Tweet with partial image of body with hands bound in front with bandage-like cloth] We know that most of the bodies needed to be buried because they were starting to decompose (ref tweet 023). If a body that is decomposing needs to be transferred with a stretcher, for example, its easier to make sure the hands (and sometimes legs) are fixated during the transport. We also looked into footage of zip tied Palestinians when captured by IDF and we only found them with hands zip tied behind their back. We do not excluded did this not happen with people exhumed in Nasser Hospital, we just didn't saw any evidence.
https://x.com/GeoConfirmed/status/1784796859258556534
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