E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump and United States of America (poll added!)
E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump and United States of America (poll added!)
The question is who funded it.
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E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump and United States of America (poll added!)
Personally I think E. Mush has decided to buy fuckhead, as part of his plan to rule the world.
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Someone pointed out something like that the other day but Judge Kaplan said it much better because he's the a Judge after all.judge Kaplan wrote:
Reality Check wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:29 pm Umm wouldn't a prudent attorney be spending time preliminarily arranging for bond just in case you don't get a free pass? Instead you run to the judge and demand a decision now dammit. Jesus H. Christ they are so arrogant.
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I just signed on a small insurance policy with Chubb Group yesterday. I'm sleeping with the enemy! Oh noes!
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https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/08/politics ... index.htmlInsurance company Chubb underwrote the bond for Trump, which the former president signed on Tuesday. Under the terms of the bond, Chubb will only secure the appeal of the $83.3 million judgment, not any future appeals.
The bond size is greater than the judgment because the district court generally requires a party to post 110% of the bond.
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Questions I have:
- Do Carroll's attorneys have the opportunity to review the bond agreement to make sure it is kosher and contains no gotchas?
- I assume Judge Kaplan will also review it unless these are pretty much boilerplate?
- Would it be wise for Carroll's attorneys to point out Habba or whomever had already arranged for bond when they filed for a stay w/o a bond in place? Or would that not be seen favorably by Judge Kaplan? Maybe Trumps attys were just trying to save their client the cost of a bond? But It certainly was not framed that way.
E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump and United States of America (poll added!)
My understanding of this is limited to teevee shows, so my question is about how bonds work.
My bottom line question is how much is trump actually out of pocket? I hear about bonds for court appearance...but it seems like those folks put up like 10% of the amount. How does it work with bonding for a judgment?
My bottom line question is how much is trump actually out of pocket? I hear about bonds for court appearance...but it seems like those folks put up like 10% of the amount. How does it work with bonding for a judgment?
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E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump and United States of America (poll added!)
Even if it was "just" $9 million he handed over, it would have stung him like nothing else.
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“Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” —John Adams
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Well that answers questions #1 and #2. Thank you Judge Kaplan.
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E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump and United States of America (poll added!)
I was thinking along the same lines, eg a prudent lawyer would have researched the correct path to appeal, and know that a significant bond would be required and advised their client to that point. But I guess tv appearances were mote important. Plus showing up in ketchup splattered dresses is not recommended, so better hide from the client just how bad things could turn out.Reality Check wrote: ↑Fri Mar 08, 2024 11:46 amSomeone pointed out something like that the other day but Judge Kaplan said it much better because he's the a Judge after all.judge Kaplan wrote: Screenshot 2024-03-08 at 11-41-38 E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump and United States of America (poll added!) - Page 56 - Fogbow.png
Reality Check wrote: ↑Tue Mar 05, 2024 4:29 pm Umm wouldn't a prudent attorney be spending time preliminarily arranging for bond just in case you don't get a free pass? Instead you run to the judge and demand a decision now dammit. Jesus H. Christ they are so arrogant.
E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump and United States of America (poll added!)
Ok so I found the answers to my questions about how bonds work (and easy to understand thorough info). My favorite pull quote:
Gift link: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/08/nyre ... =url-share“Though the illustrious Robbie Kaplan is strong enough to yank a golden toilet out of the floor at Trump Tower and toss it through the window, this bond saves Robbie the trouble of showing up with U.S. marshals on Monday to do so,” Ms Carroll wrote.
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MTN Ben Meiselas has been inspecting the docket and has seen a new lawer requesting pro hac visa vice access for Teh Donald. Habba on her way out?
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E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump and United States of America (poll added!)
If it’s indeed to handle the appeal, it’s not unusual at all, in fact prudent, to engage an attorney familiar with appeals to handle an appeal of a case.
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Oops he did it again.
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Trump will not shut up about E. Jean Carroll.
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Trump again claims E. Jean Carroll made false accusations about him
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His mouth keeps writing checks his checkbook can't cash.
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And the truth shall ever come uppermost,
And justice shall be done.
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As round and round we run;
And the truth shall ever come uppermost,
And justice shall be done.
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E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump and United States of America (poll added!)
Go for it E. Jean. Double the existing punitive damages.
E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump and United States of America (poll added!)
There was a chat on MSNBC this morning. Jennifer Rubin said there's an option to challenge the bond by tomorrow and judge would have a hearing that afternoon. That could be interesting twist.
E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump and United States of America (poll added!)
Prior to Trump calling Carroll a liar again, I thought that Trump’s best argument on post trial motion or Appeal was that the punitive damage award was too high. (Often courts limit such awards to some multiple of the compensatory damage award.) Given that the jury reportedly came up with its punitive damage number as a means of making sure Trump did not offend again, Trump’s latest descent into defamation appears to vindicate the jury’s punitive damage determination, or suggest it may have not been large enough.
E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump and United States of America (poll added!)
Yeah, the judge entered that order. I'd say it's unlikely to be challenged.
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E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump and United States of America (poll added!)
I don't know if it's legally available publicly but it would be interesting to see if and who a co-signer might be on that bond. I think Carroll can challenge it? Maybe that would open that info to the public.
One of the talking heads on MSNBC mentioned that it might be possible to explore an injunction as what happened with Guiliani in his defamation case re Georgia. Or file a new defamation case. Seems $83 million wasn't enough to shut him up.
One of the talking heads on MSNBC mentioned that it might be possible to explore an injunction as what happened with Guiliani in his defamation case re Georgia. Or file a new defamation case. Seems $83 million wasn't enough to shut him up.
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E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump and United States of America (poll added!)
Looking above at the copy of the order, it explicitly invites the plaintiffs to file any opposition within a time window. It's baked into the order itself.
But the sunshine aye shall light the sky,
As round and round we run;
And the truth shall ever come uppermost,
And justice shall be done.
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As round and round we run;
And the truth shall ever come uppermost,
And justice shall be done.
- Charles Mackay, "Eternal Justice"