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In SouthWest Ohio N-toes referred to 'Chocolate Drops' which were chocolate covered creme centered candy shaped similar to Hershey's Kisses but much larger and fatter.
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qbawl wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:56 pm In SouthWest Ohio N-toes referred to 'Chocolate Drops' which were chocolate covered creme centered candy shaped similar to Hershey's Kisses but much larger and fatter.
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somerset wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:40 pm
Gregg wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:30 pm

Anywho, the Restuarant eventually went away or changed their name but there is still at least one location in California somewhere,
My Grambo, from Memphis, used to take me there a lot when I was a wee lad (we lived in Los Angeles). It was also many years later than I learned that the big nuts she always called "N toes" are actually called Brazil nuts. Love my Southern heritage, but there are parts of it I'd rather leave behind.
I grew up in the San Fernando Valley and remember eating pancakes with tiger butter at Sambos when I was little. Too, also, I remember a kid calling Brazil nuts by the same name. But I learned young that the N word wasn't nice and the correct version of "eenie meenie miney mo" was to catch a tiger by his toe.
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My mother used "catch a Tigger by his toe" because of the Winnie the Pooh books. :)
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Sorry to say but y'all learned good manners and taste a lot younger than me.

Every single example here is something I remember from my childhood, and most of them didn't get completely erased from what I at least didn;t mind hearing until I was in college. :bag:
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neonzx wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:47 pm
somerset wrote: Mon Oct 30, 2023 10:40 pm My Grambo, from Memphis, used to take me there a lot when I was a wee lad (we lived in Los Angeles). It was also many years later than I learned that the big nuts she always called "N toes" are actually called Brazil nuts. Love my Southern heritage, but there are parts of it I'd rather leave behind.
SAME. And I expressed my disapproval when I was 8-9 once I realized. This was not south but NE Ohio.
Me three. My mom was born in Indiana and grew up in Michigan.

Our family was certainly a 'family of its time' - they did know and occasionally use terms that are now recognized as slurs - BUT they were conscious of the offense that could be caused and avoided their use. They did not ever, in my hearing, use them in a nasty way.

I don't know when she learned the 'alternative' name for Brazil nuts, but by the time she said it to me, it was just a common name, one used without the thought of the offensive content, and discarded when the offense is realized.

'Uncle Tom' and 'Little Black Sambo' and 'Aunt Jemima' I guess are similar. The stories are charming on the surface, and seemingly honouring the characters. But when the patronizing and colonialization bullshit those stories come from, one can see how the offense can occur.

On another hand I absolutely loved Amos and Andy, and I am personally affronted that they have been disappeared. I realize for many A&A represented tokenism and unflattering caricatures, but not one of the characters was any more of a caricature than in many of the 'whites only' sitcoms. Nobody was more slapstick than Lucy or more bumbling fools than the Three Stooges. "Sanford and Son" was no less offensive than A&A, to my way of thinking, but S&S came from their perspective not the white man's idea of what their perspective was. So theirs that.

But since I am not in the community that has demonstrated that they are offended by A&A, it isn't my business to complain and expect anyone to listen. I think cancelling A&A was an overreaction but there was a lot of pressure at the time from folks who were just figuring out how to make themselves heard in a way that could produce action.
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They forgot one. In the song. Colored Spade. They forgotted a slang word for African Americans.

Raymond Chandler is one of my favorite authors. He wrote gritty detective novels about Los Angeles in the 1920s and '30s, and his characters encountered blacks rarely, but they called them "shines," as in shoeshine boy. And yes, I see shoeshine in the lyrics, but not just plain shine. That was in the days when women were called frails. This has been your Foogie History of Slang moment. :biggrin:
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When my sister brought her now-husband home for dinner the first time, she was like, he’s from England where they have manners! There was a bowl of Brazil nuts on the coffee table, and before he showed up my sister lectured me about the proper name for the nuts. I didn’t know they were called Brazil nuts, but I would’ve just called them nuts.

Anyhoo, now-BIL showed up , saw the nuts, and said, “Do you know what we call these in England?” Manners, for sooth :roll:
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With a botanopedantical hat on: ha! they're not even nuts! and they're not from Brazil.

Well, they are often from Brazil, but they were first scientificially described in Venezuela.
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Maybenaut wrote: Tue Oct 31, 2023 9:03 am Anyhoo, now-BIL showed up , saw the nuts, and said, “Do you know what we call these in England?” Manners, for sooth :roll:
*thinks for a second*

Oh, ya. *mysterious smile*
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Oh, I get it. :blackeyebig:
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Yeah, that's what my father called 'em too, also.
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keith: 'Uncle Tom' and 'Little Black Sambo' and 'Aunt Jemima' I guess are similar. The stories are charming on the surface, and seemingly honouring the characters. But when the patronizing and colonialization bullshit those stories come from, one can see how the offense can occur.
Thanks for explaining this. I read "Little Black Sambo" to my first graders who lived in an economically depressed area in deep South Arkansas. They loved it. Of my 21 students 14 were black.

"Uncle Tom's Cabin" was written by abolitionist Harriet Beecher Stowe.
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Uncle Tom's Cabin; or, Life Among the Lowly is an anti-slavery novel by American author Harriet Beecher Stowe. Published in two volumes in 1852, the novel had a profound effect on attitudes toward African Americans and slavery in the U.S., and is said to have "helped lay the groundwork for the [American] Civil War".[1][2][3]

Stowe, a Connecticut-born woman of English descent, was part of the religious Beecher family and an active abolitionist. She wrote the sentimental novel to depict the reality of slavery while also asserting that Christian love could overcome slavery.[4][5][6] The novel focuses on the character of Uncle Tom, a long-suffering black slave around whom the stories of the other characters revolve.

In the United States, Uncle Tom's Cabin was the best-selling novel and the second best-selling book of the 19th century, following the Bible.[7][8] It is credited with helping fuel the abolitionist cause in the 1850s.[9] The influence attributed to the book was so great that a likely apocryphal story arose of Abraham Lincoln meeting Stowe at the start of the Civil War and declaring, "So this is the little lady who started this great war."[10][11]

The book and the plays it inspired helped popularize a number of negative stereotypes about black people,[12][13][3] including that of the namesake character "Uncle Tom". The term came to be associated with an excessively subservient person.[14] These later associations with Uncle Tom's Cabin have, to an extent, overshadowed the historical effects of the book as a "vital antislavery tool".[15] Nonetheless, the novel remains a "landmark" in protest literature,[16] with later books such as The Jungle by Upton Sinclair and Silent Spring by Rachel Carson owing a large debt to it.[17]
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She wrote the book in Cincinnati on a house now a museum on Gilbert Avenue. He brother was a prominent abolitionist preacher.
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After Stowe wrote Uncle Tom's Cabin, she was accused of fabricating the story. She responded by publishing THE KEY TO UNLCE TOM'S CABIN where she documented her primary sources. it included the image of the whipped scarred back of a slave.
We remember "Tom" via the stage parody/caricature(s) used to deride the story - even free blacks derided Tom. The actual toadies were named "Sambo" & "Quimbo" who beat gleefully Tom to death on orders of the Overseer.
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In March 1851, Stowe wrote to Gamaliel Bailey, editor and publisher of The National Era, a Washington antislavery paper, and offered him the story she had been working on, which she thought would run for three or four installments. The plot, at its most basic, details the journeys of two enslaved laborers on the precipice of being sold off by their owner, a Kentucky farmer in arrears. One, named Harry, flees with his mother, Eliza, to the North, eventually ending up in Canada, while the other, Uncle Tom, is transported down the Mississippi River, where he is eventually sold to a vicious Louisiana plantation owner. Tom’s faith nearly falters, but a pair of visions places him back on firm ground. After encouraging two women to escape north, Tom is beaten to death when he refuses to reveal where they’ve gone;
So, tell me, where the 'obsequiousness' of Tom?
Uncle Tom was based on a real escaped slave named Josiah P Henson, who once he made it to Canada, became a preacher, an abolitionist, founded the British American Institute in the city of Dawn and wrote about being honored to be the person Uncle Tom was based on.

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Trump Makes Bizarre Announcement About The Name Of Our 'Great Country'—And Whaaat??
In a bizarre Truth Social post, Donald Trump railed against the trials he's facing and announced the name of our 'great country' once he's elected again...and it sounds somewhat familiar.


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In a bizarre Truth Social post, former President Donald Trump tried to launch an attack on President Joe Biden while addressing his growing legal issues.

But what really had people scratching their heads was his peculiar announcement about the name of our "great country" in the event he is elected again: He mentioned that his election in 2024 would result in the creation of a geopolitical entity called "the United States."

Of course, that's the name of our country already but Trump nonetheless confidently stated:

"We're going to Make America Great Again and put America first."
"We’re gonna have a great country. It’s gonna be called the United States of America."
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If it's a new country, it will need a new Constitution.

Is that what he's talking about, constituting a new government for the new USA?
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Ahhhh, but will it be under Admiralty Law, barred The BAR and return America from it sold as a corporation.... :mrgreen:
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"We're going to Make America Great Again and put America first."
"We’re gonna have a great country. It’s gonna be called the United States of America."
Laugh, by Saturday 35 milion Americans are going to believe that nobody ever thought to call it that before. :bag:
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Well…

He is right…

Putin et al does support MAGA

Because it harms the USA and weakens democracy

So this is the last chance
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Hedge fund billionaire Leon Cooperman, in rare public rebuke of a Republican candidate, says Trump ‘belongs in jail’

By Matt Egan, CNN
Updated 11:16 PM EDT, Mon October 30, 2023

“I’m looking for centrists, not radical left or right,” said Cooperman, who donated to Republican Chris Christie’s 2024 campaign over the summer, according to federal records.

In response, Trump campaign spokesperson Steven Cheung said Trump “will be the nominee and will beat Biden because he’s the only person who can supercharge the economy, secure our border, safeguard communities and put an end to unnecessary wars.”

“Americans want to return to a prosperous nation and there’s only one person who can do that – President Trump,” Cheung said in a statement.

“I’m looking for centrists, not radical left or right,” said Cooperman, who donated to Republican Chris Christie’s 2024 campaign over the summer, according to federal records.

In response, Trump campaign spokesperson Steven Cheung said Trump “will be the nominee and will beat Biden because he’s the only person who can supercharge the economy, secure our border, safeguard communities and put an end to unnecessary wars.”

“Americans want to return to a prosperous nation and there’s only one person who can do that – President Trump,” Cheung said in a statement.
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Dr. Ken wrote: Wed Nov 01, 2023 6:01 pm
The resulting sentence is pretty funny, but it's not all that big of a head scratcher. The word between "tyrants" and "support" is supposed to be "and", not "that", and he really doesn't pronounce enough of it to be entirely sure which one he said. It sounds mostly like "that", but it's at least possible he actually said "and."
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Yeah that…

But enough excuses have been made for him for his entire life and look at what he has done..,

No more excuses..
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