Derek Chauvin trial: The murder of George Floyd

[DrIrvingFinegarten]

How do I respond to this? I mean.I’m pretty Street-smart and I know that coroners don’t alter the results of autopsies.

“Yeah, he's not the guy who examined the body. You can post all the opinion pieces you want. Doesn't change the fact that the dude who DID HIS FUCKING AUTOPSY confessed he changed it to save his career. You people are the most dense motherfuckers on the planet.‘

[Dave from down under]

One way to respond…

“Why do you prefer to believe that Chauvin didn’t kill him by kneeling on Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes as Floyd died?”

[DrIrvingFinegarten]

One way to respond…

“Why do you prefer to believe that Chauvin didn’t kill him by kneeling on Floyd’s neck for 9 minutes as Floyd died?”

Am I naive to think Dr Baker couldn’t have been coerced to change his findings?

[raison de arizona]

Don’t talk to that person, they are beyond reason. If you must, here are the facts: https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-g ... 2530421961

They won’t believe them.

[DrIrvingFinegarten]

Don’t talk to that person, they are beyond reason. If you must, here are the facts: https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-g ... 2530421961

They won’t believe them.

The guy thinks AP has an agenda.

And am I naive to think the jury wasn’t intimidated into finding Chauvin guilty?

Why do these people think the world works that way?

[RVInit]

The ER doctor who treated George Floyd and attempted to save his life had the opinion that his cardiac arrest was caused by hypoxia, lack of oxygen. He was in a state known as PEA (Pulseless Electrical Activity) and the most common cause of that is either oxygen deprivation or blood loss. Drug overdose has easily detectible qualities which paramedics saw no sign or symptoms of. Those signs are unmistakable and paramedics are easily able to tell if someone is exhibiting signs of drug overdose, which he was not. Had he displayed any sign of overdose, paramedics are well trained in how to deal with that. They did not treat him for drug overdose because he clearly displayed no evidence of having an overdose.



Testimony under oath at his trial by several other doctors also revealed they all had the same opinion as to the cause of Floyd's death being caused by cardiac arrest caused by oxygen deprivation due to neck compression:

“Mr. Floyd’s use of fentanyl did not cause the subdual or the neck restraint, his heart disease did not cause the subdual or the neck restraint,” Baker told the jury. He added that while Floyd suffered from heart disease, and fentanyl and methamphetamine found in his blood may have played a role in the death, they “were not direct causes.”

Dr. Daniel Isenschmid, a forensic toxicologist, testified during Chauvin’s trial that the level of methamphetamine found in Floyd’s blood was comparable to levels found in samples taken from living people detained for driving under the influence of narcotics (here).

The sheer volume of videos of Floyd’s arrest makes it clear that physical signs associated with opioid overdose were not seen in the moments before his death, Dr. Lindsey Thomas, an assistant Hennepin County medical examiner until 2017, also testified during Chauvin’s trial.

Under cross examination by Chauvin’s lead lawyer, Baker said that certain heart diseases or use of opioids can be fatal but that neither directly caused Floyd’s death. Instead, he believed it was the holds and compression by police officers.

“My opinion remains unchanged: it’s what I put on the death certificate last June,” Baker said to the jury. “That was my top line then. It would stay my top line now.”

Other medical experts supported Baker’s findings during the trial. Dr. Martin Tobin, a critical care doctor, testified that any “healthy person subjected to” Floyd’s circumstances “would have died” (here).

Here is Reuter's fact check complete with videos and a massive amount of links to details of medical expert's findings as to the cause of George Floyd's death. All the testimony videos are embedded within this article and numerous articles with additional medical expert explanation are linked throughout the article.

The cause of George Floyd's death was put to bed long ago and Tucker Carlson is a White Supremacist asshole.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factche ... SL1N3241XJ

[DrIrvingFinegarten]

The ER doctor who treated George Floyd and attempted to save his life had the opinion that his cardiac arrest was caused by hypoxia, lack of oxygen. He was in a state known as PEA (Pulseless Electrical Activity) and the most common cause of that is either oxygen deprivation or blood loss. Drug overdose has easily detectible qualities which paramedics saw no sign or symptoms of. Those signs are unmistakable and paramedics are easily able to tell if someone is exhibiting signs of drug overdose, which he was not.



Testimony under oath at his trial by several other doctors also revealed they all had the same opinion as to the cause of Floyd's death being caused by cardiac arrest caused by oxygen deprivation due to neck compression:

“Mr. Floyd’s use of fentanyl did not cause the subdual or the neck restraint, his heart disease did not cause the subdual or the neck restraint,” Baker told the jury. He added that while Floyd suffered from heart disease, and fentanyl and methamphetamine found in his blood may have played a role in the death, they “were not direct causes.”

Dr. Daniel Isenschmid, a forensic toxicologist, testified during Chauvin’s trial that the level of methamphetamine found in Floyd’s blood was comparable to levels found in samples taken from living people detained for driving under the influence of narcotics (here).

The sheer volume of videos of Floyd’s arrest makes it clear that physical signs associated with opioid overdose were not seen in the moments before his death, Dr. Lindsey Thomas, an assistant Hennepin County medical examiner until 2017, also testified during Chauvin’s trial.

Under cross examination by Chauvin’s lead lawyer, Baker said that certain heart diseases or use of opioids can be fatal but that neither directly caused Floyd’s death. Instead, he believed it was the holds and compression by police officers.

“My opinion remains unchanged: it’s what I put on the death certificate last June,” Baker said to the jury. “That was my top line then. It would stay my top line now.”

Other medical experts supported Baker’s findings during the trial. Dr. Martin Tobin, a critical care doctor, testified that any “healthy person subjected to” Floyd’s circumstances “would have died” (here).

Here is Reuter's fact check complete with videos and a massive amount of links to details of medical expert's findings as to the cause of George Floyd's death. All the testimony videos are embedded within this article and numerous articles with additional medical expert explanation are linked throughout the article.

The cause of George Floyd's death was put to bed long ago and Tucker Carlson is a White Supremacist asshole.

https://www.reuters.com/article/factche ... SL1N3241XJ

There’s no chance Chauvin might be freed as a result of Carlson’s latest report is there?

[chancery]

https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/ ... 9944231157

Radley Balko
@radleybalko
This is exploding on right-wing Twitter as if it’s some new revelation. It isn’t.

The thing is, there’s actually a nugget of truth here. But it doesn’t exonerate Chauvin. Instead, its an indictment of how cops are reflexively cleared for in-custody deaths.

A quick

The Minneapolis ME’s office did indeed give prosecutors an improper, preliminary report that appeared to downplay Chauvin’s role in Floyd’s death. (A judge later scolded the DA’s office for this.)

This happens often with in-custody deaths.

They’re also right that public and political pressure may have altered the ME’s early analysis. But that pressure didn’t result in an incorrect manner of death determination. Instead, it turned what looked to be a false, knee jerk exoneration of cops too common in these cases.

The manner of such deaths is are often called “undetermined” if MEs can find any contributing factor in the victim at all — “excited delirium,” “sickle-cell trait,” drug use, a heart condition, etc. And that’s often enough to preclude any criminal investigation.

The only medical examiner who testified for Chauvin’s defense (the former state ME for Maryland), for example, gave testimony so misguided that the state is now reviewing other autopsies he conducted after in-custody deaths.

The overwhelming consensus in the medical community — among MEs, heart specialists, pulmonologists, and on and on . . . is that George Floyd would not have died but for Chauvin’s excessive force. That’s a homicide.

This is what right-wing defenders of Chauvin are glossing over.

They’re correct that this case is an aberration. They’re wrong that it was an injustice.

Public scrutiny prompted state officials to actually get it right this time. The outcome here was just. But *that* —the just outcome — is the aberration.

I’ll have more on this soon.

[Suranis]

There’s no chance Chauvin might be freed as a result of Carlson’s latest report is there?

I'm tempted to say "laughs hysterically." But no. Clucker Tarlson has zero power anymore. Anyone who would have paid attention to him would have fled when he had Larry Sinclair on. He has gone from 2 million people watching and a full media empire pushing him, to having hardly anyone paying any attention anymore. And, as the thread up there is saying, its nothing that trolls weren't saying during the Derek C trial. I had idiots say it to me.

Your friend is probably one of the few people who is even aware of what Tarlson even said. Your friend got his fill of outrage and false injustice and has got a high from it, but that's about it.

[keith]

How do I respond to this? I mean.I’m pretty Street-smart and I know that coroners don’t alter the results of autopsies.

“Yeah, he's not the guy who examined the body. You can post all the opinion pieces you want. Doesn't change the fact that the dude who DID HIS FUCKING AUTOPSY confessed he changed it to save his career. You people are the most dense motherfuckers on the planet.‘

Hi DR. I.F.

I remember you from Doc Conspiracy's site. I don't remember what I remember, but I do remember.

As for responding to weirdos, my Pappy always said:

Don’t wrestle with pigs. You both get filthy and the pig likes it.

[DrIrvingFinegarten]

How do I respond to this? I mean.I’m pretty Street-smart and I know that coroners don’t alter the results of autopsies.

“Yeah, he's not the guy who examined the body. You can post all the opinion pieces you want. Doesn't change the fact that the dude who DID HIS FUCKING AUTOPSY confessed he changed it to save his career. You people are the most dense motherfuckers on the planet.‘

Hi DR. I.F.

I remember you from Doc Conspiracy's site. I don't remember what I remember, but I do remember.

As for responding to weirdos, my Pappy always said:

Don’t wrestle with pigs. You both get filthy and the pig likes it.

The thing is the sheer volume of people insisting he died due to an overdose of fentanyl is so overwhelming it seems like people like me are the ones who are willfully ignorant.

[raison de arizona]

That’s frightening. I like to think that there really aren’t that many people, they are just very loud.

[bob]

The thing is the sheer volume of people insisting he died due to an overdose of fentanyl is so overwhelming it seems like people like me are the ones who are willfully ignorant.

There are many stupid people who believe many stupid things. They won't change their minds, ever.

Which is when I troll, I just remind them that nobody cares what they believe.

[Slim Cognito]

Just repeating one of my mantras, which is repetitive of others' posts above.

You can't reason with the unreasonable. Walk away. Your mental health will thank you.

[DrIrvingFinegarten]

Just repeating one of my mantras, which is repetitive of others' posts above.

You can't reason with the unreasonable. Walk away. Your mental health will thank you.

I remember the judge who ruled in favor of Carlson in a defamation suit where the defense was that no reasonable person would believe anything he said.

It’s been my experience that his fans are quite unreasonable.

Sadly millions of these unreasonable people hang on his every word.

[Suranis]

Millions used to. Now only a few thousand do, if that.

[DrIrvingFinegarten]

Millions used to. Now only a few thousand do, if that.

Still too many.

[RVInit]

Millions used to. Now only a few thousand do, if that.

Still too many.

[Volkonski]

Supreme Court declines to review Derek Chauvin’s conviction in George Floyd’s murder

https://thehill.com/homenews/4318639-su ... press.coop

The Supreme Court on Monday declined to review former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin’s conviction for the murder of George Floyd, whose killing reignited the Black Lives Matter movement and sparked worldwide protests in summer 2020.

Chauvin had asked the justices to hear his case after Minnesota’s top court declined to do so.

The justices declined to take up Chauvin’s appeal, letting his conviction stand.

[W. Kevin Vicklund]

Burn, muthafucka

[Rolodex]

On what basis was he tying to have his case overturned/reheard/whatever?

[raison de arizona]

On what basis was he tying to have his case overturned/reheard/whatever?

Chauvin had argued that jury bias and certain rulings by the presiding judge deprived him of his right to a fair trial under the U.S. Constitution's Sixth Amendment.

https://reuters.com/legal/us-supreme-co ... 023-11-20/

[bob]

On what basis was he tying to have his case overturned/reheard/whatever?

"For compeleteness":

Although a slightly similar question was presented to this Court in Skilling* v. U.S., 558 U.S. 945 (2009), questions remained unresolved regarding the presumption of presumed prejudice and the meaning of an “extreme case.” While Skilling identified four non-exclusive factors to presume prejudice and warrant a change of venue, issues related to community harm and juror vested interests as presumptive bias factors prior to voir dire were not addressed. A community from which the jurors will be chosen experienced catastrophic violent riots resulting from a police officer’s acts and believed that further rioting or harm to them or their families will result if they acquit the police officer as a criminal defendant. The defendant’s motion for a change of venue was denied. The questions presented are:

1. Whether catastrophic-widespread community harm and threat of harm is a presumed community bias and must be considered as a singular inquiry as an extreme case creating circumstances so inherently prejudicial that jury bias must also be presumed because jurors have a vested interest in the outcome of the case, thereby narrowing a trial court’s discretion and mandating a change of venue, without voir dire, to ensure a constitutionally fair trial under the Sixth Amendment.

2. Whether when evidence of juror prejudice and voir dire misconduct found after trial indicates a juror stereotyped, prejudged, or carried an undisclosed animus against the criminal defendant, the Sixth Amendment requires the trial court to consider that evidence and any resulting denial of the right to trial by an impartial jury.

* Enron's Jeffrey Skilling.

[Rolodex]

thanks. I guess it's just boilerplate Hail Mary stuff. Surprised it got that far. Hope he enjoys thanksgiving in prison. /s

Speaking of prison I wonder if he's in some kind of separate wing or something. Being a cop probably doesn't make you very popular in a place filled by people arrested (and possibly abused) by cops.

[bob]

I guess it's just boilerplate Hail Mary stuff.

Basically, yes. Most likely done so the issues later can be raised in a federal habeas corpus petition.

Surprised it got that far.

Literally any loser can file in SCOTUS. This was just a routine denial of one of the approximately 10,000 cert. petitions SCOTUS receives annually.