I'm going to go further and state that a stay pending appeal is the right and proper action to take. Although I could see something put into place to prevent the transfer of assets during appeal.chancery wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:01 pm What surprises me is that the judge has ordered the instant cancellation of the certificates of incorporation before there's been a determination of what procedure to follow for winding up the Trump companies -- or indeed, whether an appeals court has passed on whether the drastic step of corporate cancellation rather than a lesser penalty is appropriate. Both the finding of liability and the decision as to remedy will receive a good deal of attention from the Appellate Division, and likely also from the Court of Appeals.
I think I'm on safe ground in predicting that at least re remedy portion of the order will be stayed pending appeal by the Appellate Division.
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That may be covered.W. Kevin Vicklund wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:44 pmI'm going to go further and state that a stay pending appeal is the right and proper action to take. Although I could see something put into place to prevent the transfer of assets during appeal.chancery wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:01 pm What surprises me is that the judge has ordered the instant cancellation of the certificates of incorporation before there's been a determination of what procedure to follow for winding up the Trump companies -- or indeed, whether an appeals court has passed on whether the drastic step of corporate cancellation rather than a lesser penalty is appropriate. Both the finding of liability and the decision as to remedy will receive a good deal of attention from the Appellate Division, and likely also from the Court of Appeals.
I think I'm on safe ground in predicting that at least re remedy portion of the order will be stayed pending appeal by the Appellate Division.
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I was just coming back to point that out. Good catch!
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I haven't been following this case closely, but the court granted partial summary judgment on the first cause of action "in part."W. Kevin Vicklund wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 5:44 pmI'm going to go further and state that a stay pending appeal is the right and proper action to take. Although I could see something put into place to prevent the transfer of assets during appeal.
Summary judgment means there's no need for a trial, at least for the subject matter covered by the ruling. And I don't know what remains after this ruling. (My WAG is damages/fine computation.)
I would assume the normal course of action would have been to grant the motion but defer on the details of the judgment until after the trial is over. That way, the defendant could move for a stay (or a stay pending appeal) from the final judgment, and not an interlocutory order.
So this suggests the judge is tired of this case's nonsense; they FA'd, so now they FO.
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I'll be dead before this case is adjudicated, just another instance of no justice available.
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Why? Its long past time people stopped pretending to be civilized in the face of this Gibbering Dingbat. The only way to shut down this coward is to actually shout in his face. His deepest fear is that people see through his shit, it's long past time to show him you are seeing through his shit.
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and, here he thought he'd make bank: https://sports.yahoo.com/liv-golfs-2024 ... 38360.html
A preliminary version of the 2024 LIV Golf schedule shows some stark changes from the upstart league's first two years, including a lack of Trump-owned golf courses and a series of dates that go head-to-head with established PGA Tour events.
The preliminary schedule, first obtained by Sports Illustrated, shows 14 tournaments, the same as this year. However, no properties owned by former president Donald Trump are on the schedule. Trump-owned properties hosted two events last year and two so far this year, with the team championship slated for next month at Trump's Doral property in South Florida.
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Me no lawya boss – but wasn't the judge's order more about the companies losing their certifications to do business in NY rather than winding up and unincorporating? Maybe both, I didn't read it all.
But even this non-law-guy is confident that there will be a stray and much delay. Chug chug whirr whirr, the grinder is starting.
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Respect is similar to loyalty, in the sense that, in order to receive either one, you must give it in return.Suranis wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 6:18 pm Why? Its long past time people stopped pretending to be civilized in the face of this Gibbering Dingbat. The only way to shut down this coward is to actually shout in his face. His deepest fear is that people see through his shit, it's long past time to show him you are seeing through his shit.
To deserve respect, you have to be respect-able.
TFG gives neither respect or loyalty to anyone except TFG.
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IANAL either. When I first read that, I thought that he was ordering the dissolution of the companies. Upon re-reading it, however, it simply says "certificates filed under GPL 130". Are there any New York lawyers here who can tell us what that statute is? Is that the statute that defines the process of incorporating in NY? If so, then, yes, the ruling seems to call for the complete dissolution of TFG's NY companies.Sam the Centipede wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:10 pmMe no lawya boss – but wasn't the judge's order more about the companies losing their certifications to do business in NY rather than winding up and unincorporating? Maybe both, I didn't read it all.
But even this non-law-guy is confident that there will be a stray and much delay. Chug chug whirr whirr, the grinder is starting.
Later in the ruling, it mentions finding a suitable receiver to handle the disposition of the assets. This seems to support the idea that the judge did, indeed, call for dissolution.
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Da Judge calling out Trump on his bullshit:
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Well, here's a link to the law in question: https://codes.findlaw.com/ny/general-bu ... -sect-130/noblepa wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:23 pmIANAL either. When I first read that, I thought that he was ordering the dissolution of the companies. Upon re-reading it, however, it simply says "certificates filed under GPL 130". Are there any New York lawyers here who can tell us what that statute is? Is that the statute that defines the process of incorporating in NY? If so, then, yes, the ruling seems to call for the complete dissolution of TFG's NY companies.Sam the Centipede wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 7:10 pmMe no lawya boss – but wasn't the judge's order more about the companies losing their certifications to do business in NY rather than winding up and unincorporating? Maybe both, I didn't read it all.
But even this non-law-guy is confident that there will be a stray and much delay. Chug chug whirr whirr, the grinder is starting.
Later in the ruling, it mentions finding a suitable receiver to handle the disposition of the assets. This seems to support the idea that the judge did, indeed, call for dissolution.
Edit: A quick read through, it looks like it's how to get your certificates to do business, either individually, as an LLC, Corp, etc. So, it's how he filed his business license, I guess?
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Perhaps an "A Few Good Men" reference?
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“Trump liable for fraud, judge finds in New York civil case”:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66931855
“As part of Tuesday's decision, the Trump Organization was ordered to cancel its New York business licenses and, within 10 days, recommend independent monitors who could oversee that process.
That is a legal loss for the New York native, who now lives in Florida.
The judge's ruling will not dissolve his company but could end his control over signature New York properties like the Trump Tower and the Trump Building at 40 Wall Street.”
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-66931855
“As part of Tuesday's decision, the Trump Organization was ordered to cancel its New York business licenses and, within 10 days, recommend independent monitors who could oversee that process.
That is a legal loss for the New York native, who now lives in Florida.
The judge's ruling will not dissolve his company but could end his control over signature New York properties like the Trump Tower and the Trump Building at 40 Wall Street.”
If you can't lie to yourself, who can you lie to?
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Apparently I’m no longer even someone upthread.Maybenaut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:17 pm Here’s the ruling:
https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-conte ... upreme.pdf
What's the Frequency, Kenneth?
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From Trump's statement in response to the summary judgment decision.
Today's action is a refutation of my status as the leading Candidate for President ....
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I didn't say it, but I THOUGHT it!Greatgrey wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:33 pmApparently I’m no longer even someone upthread.Maybenaut wrote: ↑Tue Sep 26, 2023 8:17 pm Here’s the ruling:
https://www.courthousenews.com/wp-conte ... upreme.pdf
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The best part of that one, Dr. Ken, turns out to be the footnote!
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Love this one, it sums up Trumpism. Who are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes?
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