INDICTED (INDICATED) #4 - Quadfecta! Perfecta? - Judge Scott McAfee - Georgia v. Trump ET AL - P01135809- Fani Willis

[bob]

"Voluntary" is a key modifier.

The grand jurors can tell the defendants to stop bothering them, and the judge can step in to prevent harassment.

[Dave from down under]

If I was on the grand jury there is no way in the world would I allow myself to be subjected to potential doxing etc from defence council.

[bob]

If I was on the grand jury there is no way in the world would I allow myself to be subjected to potential doxing etc from defence council.

IIRC, the grand jurors' names already are known (and public).

Presumably the jurors' other person information will remain under seal, but it is possible for it to get leaked. And then defense counsel could blame an unassociated "motivated" person discovered it on their own.

[keith]

If I was on the grand jury there is no way in the world would I allow myself to be subjected to potential doxing etc from defence council.

IIRC, the grand jurors' names already are known (and public).

Presumably the jurors' other person information will remain under seal, but it is possible for it to get leaked. And then defense counsel could blame an unassociated "motivated" person discovered it on their own.

Aw heck. What could go wrong?

[Flatpoint High]

Lin Wood? https://themessenger.com/politics/pro-t ... orgia-rico

[raison de arizona]

Lin Wood? https://themessenger.com/politics/pro-t ... orgia-rico

I did not see that coming!

Pro-Trump Lawyer Lin Wood Turned State’s Witness in Georgia Racketeering Case, DA Reveals

He posted this last night?

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[Maybenaut]

Just because the State put someone on its witness list doesn’t necessarily mean they’ve “turned,” or otherwise agreed to cooperate.

[pipistrelle]

Just because the State put someone on its witness list doesn’t necessarily mean they’ve “turned,” or otherwise agreed to cooperate.

[raison de arizona]

Ah, thanks. Overzealous reporting.

[Dave from down under]

Ah, thanks. Overzealous reporting.

It would be irresponsible to continue to suggest that he has flipped, sold Donnie down the river, done the dirty, ratted on them, etc to the MAGA mob…

[p0rtia]

Just because the State put someone on its witness list doesn’t necessarily mean they’ve “turned,” or otherwise agreed to cooperate.

I wondered about this. I've been surprised to see all the stories this week about how Molly Micheal (to do lists on the backs of classified note cards) has "flipped." Is telling the truth now known as flipping? I can see her answering their questions truthfully but still not offering every gory detail they don't ask about. Not that she is a target.

Jenna Ellis is a target--and indicted. She seems to have signaled that she's answering all the questions honestly, but remains (she lies) in the fuckhead camp. Is covering your own ass now flipping?

[raison de arizona]

Ken Chesebro says in a new court filing that when the false Georgia electors claimed to be "duly elected and qualified" that wasn't a lie because they *had* been elected ... by the Republican Party.

Haven't heard this one before.

https://documentcloud.org/documents/239 ... -motion-11

[AndyinPA]

Ya gotta give him points for imagination.

[SuzieC]

Yabbut, I believe all litigation was over by December 14.

[Suranis]

Political Parties don't appoint electors. Even I know that.

[New Turtle]

Political Parties don't appoint electors. Even I know that.

In some states they can run at the state convention and maybe in 1 or 2 states can get voted to the slate in the primary, but this just means they get their names on the ballot in the general. They still have to win in the general election (on behalf of their candidate) before they can actually do anything to the electoral vote count.

[raison de arizona]

Chesebro asks court to suppress use of emails in Trump Georgia election case

Attorneys for Kenneth Chesebro, a pro-Trump lawyer, argued the search warrant used to obtain emails from his MSN email account ahead of his indictment “is defective” and the search and seizure of the emails was “illegal.”

In their Fulton County Superior Court filing, Chesebro’s attorneys said Georgia rules only allow the use of search warrants where there is probable cause to believe that the evidence sought would otherwise be deleted.

But there was “no such concern” in this case, they argued, ”because months earlier Microsoft had archived all the e-mails in Fulton County Superior Court.”

Chesebro’s lawyers also argued they were not “contacted to schedule a hearing for review of the obtained documents in order to minimize review of documents falling outside the scope of the warrant,” and to make sure prosecutors would not see emails protected by attorney-client privilege.

Those two factors are “fatal to the search warrant,” they argued.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/21/trump-l ... -case.html

[RVInit]

If Trump never paid Cheseboro and they have no written agreement can he really claim he was Trumps attorney

[Kendra]

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/p ... 234829429/

LAST MONTH, WHEN Donald Trump parted ways with “Billion Dollar Lawyer” Drew Findling as his lead criminal defense attorney in the Fulton County, Georgia, case, the decision was then met with surprise and dismay, including among some of Trump’s closest advisers and lawyers.

At first, the reasons behind the departure were opaque, with several high-ranking members of Team Trump asking one another why the ex-president would ditch someone who was internally viewed as perhaps Trump’s single most competent attorney. Findling was in the middle of leading the legal defense against the one prosecution that is likely the most perilous for Trump — and the lawyer was replaced just as the former president was about to have his historic mug shot taken in Georgia.

But as the dust settled, some of the reasons behind this shakeup became clearer. According to three sources with knowledge of the matter, the high-profile departure was largely driven by the same kind of power struggles that have long plagued Trump’s legal teams, even (or, especially) during times when Trump is trying his hardest to stay out of prison. Those problems only intensified when it became clear that Fulton County prosecutors were going to pursue a wide-ranging indictment of Trump and many of his confidants; it was the kind of nightmare scenario that Findling, well-known for his successful defenses of Cardi B and Offset, was hired to attempt to prevent.

[RTH10260]

Chesebro asks court to suppress use of emails in Trump Georgia election case

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/09/21/trump-l ... -case.html

Michael Popok comments on this Cheseboro motion and expands on details of supporting documents filed. Like the document search warrant against his email, details formerly not known.

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[Gregg]

Political Parties don't appoint electors. Even I know that.

In some states they can run at the state convention and maybe in 1 or 2 states can get voted to the slate in the primary, but this just means they get their names on the ballot in the general. They still have to win in the general election (on behalf of their candidate) before they can actually do anything to the electoral vote count.

In Ohio at least, they are not on the ballot. Our ballot says something like The Electors pledged to support" or something like. They are duly elected when the Secretary of State certifies the election.

[raison de arizona]

NEW: Judge McAfee in Fulton County orders that no identifying info of jurors/prospective jurors shall be disclosed.

Jurors shall be identified by number. No addresses or other personal info shall be disclosed.

No drawings or photos or videos of jurors/prospective jurors.

[Dave from down under]

Donnie will Dox them.

[bob]

If Trump never paid Cheseboro and they have no written agreement can he really claim he was Trumps attorney

Yes, he could claim.

Proving with competent, credible evidence is altogether different.

[Sam the Centipede]

If Trump never paid Cheseboro and they have no written agreement can he really claim he was Trumps attorney

Yes, he could claim.

Proving with competent, credible evidence is altogether different.

That's our bob!

I guess any such claim carries more weight if both alleged client and alleged attorney make the same claim. Without paper or payments, I can't imagine a court accepting the claim if one party says "no, that's not what happened". But surely Trump has never thrown anybody under the bus, has he? Except everybody.

Yeah, FAFO has a specific instantiation in WFTAFO (work for Trump…).

Poor darlings, if only my sympathy tank wasn't completely empty, I'd … who am I kidding? … I'd never care!