E. Jean Carroll v. Donald J. Trump and United States of America (poll added!)

[bob]

So did they do DNA testing on Monica's dress?

After some initial confusion, yes.

[Gregg]

I want something, anything to shut him up.

Narrator: But there was nothing, not anything, that could shut him up.

The only thing that will ever shut him up is the Grim Reaper. NADT.

Even if he actually goes to prison, he will find a way to loudly and publicly claim that he is being persecuted and mistreated in prison. Probably via Junior and Eric.

Unless we can send them to prison too. Then we can talk about a "Crime Family".

[raison de arizona]

Judge denies Trump’s request for a new trial in E. Jean Carroll case

A federal judge has denied Donald Trump’s request for a new trial in the E. Jean Carroll case – finding the jury who found that the former president sexually abused and defamed Carroll did not reach a “seriously erroneous result.”

“The jury in this case did not reach ‘a seriously erroneous result,” Judge Lewis Kaplan said. “Its verdict is not ‘a miscarriage of justice.’”

Trump had asked for the new trial after the jury awarded magazine columnist E. Jean Carroll $5 million in damages.

“Now that the court has denied Trump’s motion for a new trial or to decrease the amount of the verdict, E Jean Carroll looks forward to receiving the $5 million in damages that the jury awarded her in Carroll II. She also looks forward to continuing to hold Trump accountable for what he did to her at the trial in Carrol I, which is scheduled to begin on January 15, 2024,” said Roberta Kaplan, attorney for Carroll.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/19/politics ... index.html

[noblepa]

Judge denies Trump’s request for a new trial in E. Jean Carroll case

A federal judge has denied Donald Trump’s request for a new trial in the E. Jean Carroll case – finding the jury who found that the former president sexually abused and defamed Carroll did not reach a “seriously erroneous result.”

“The jury in this case did not reach ‘a seriously erroneous result,” Judge Lewis Kaplan said. “Its verdict is not ‘a miscarriage of justice.’”

Trump had asked for the new trial after the jury awarded magazine columnist E. Jean Carroll $5 million in damages.

“Now that the court has denied Trump’s motion for a new trial or to decrease the amount of the verdict, E Jean Carroll looks forward to receiving the $5 million in damages that the jury awarded her in Carroll II. She also looks forward to continuing to hold Trump accountable for what he did to her at the trial in Carrol I, which is scheduled to begin on January 15, 2024,” said Roberta Kaplan, attorney for Carroll.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/19/politics ... index.html

IANAL, but has always been my understanding that, at least in a criminal trial, the defendant can't appeal on the grounds that "the jury got it wrong". I realize that this is a civil case, not a criminal one, so maybe the rules are different.

I thought that, in general, a defendant can appeal if there is new evidence, not available at trial (and not simply not entered by defense counsel), or that the judge made an error in law. Perhaps the judge allowed evidence or testimony that shouldn't have been allowed, or disallowed evidence that should have been shown to the jury. Or the judge incorrectly denied or sustained an objection. Perhaps improper jury instructions were given. That sort of thing.

But you can't simply say that the jury came to the wrong conclusion, unless you can show juror bias. You can't say "let me argue my case one more time". There are no second bites from the apple.

[bob]

IANAL, but has always been my understanding that, at least in a criminal trial, the defendant can't appeal on the grounds that "the jury got it wrong". I realize that this is a civil case, not a criminal one, so maybe the rules are different.

A losing appellant can always claim there was insufficient evidence to support the factfinder's verdict.

But the standard on appeal is rather high; it is a difficult (but not impossible) claim to make.

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Judge Kaplan rejects Trump's bid to throw out the verdict in the Carroll sexual assault lawsuit — and he says the Carroll jury did, in fact, find Trump raped her, based on the common definition of the word.

S.D.N.Y.:

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[T]he proof convincingly established, and the jury implicitly found, that Mr. Trump deliberately and forcibly penetrated Ms. Carroll’s vagina with his fingers, causing immediate pain and long lasting emotional and psychological harm. Mr. Trump’s argument therefore ignores the bulk of the evidence at trial, misinterprets the jury’s verdict, and mistakenly focuses on the New York Penal Law definition of “rape” to the exclusion of the meaning of that word as it often is used in everyday life and of the evidence of what actually occurred between Ms. Carroll and Mr. Trump.

[raison de arizona]

So does that mean we can call tfg a convicted rapist?

[bob]

So does that mean we can call tfg a convicted rapist?

No; he was never criminally convicted.

He was "found liable for rape, as the term is commonly used, and not under the narrow definition in New York criminal law." A phrase that flows like a mountain stream.

[Maybenaut]

So does that mean we can call tfg a convicted rapist?

No; he was never criminally convicted.

He was "found liable for rape, as the term is commonly used, and not under the narrow definition in New York criminal law." A phrase that flows like a mountain stream.

But we can call him a convicted rapist.

[Ben-Prime]

So depending on the next couple of trials, we can say 'convicted AND A rapist', I suppose.

[sad-cafe]

I just want to call him Satan's newest guest

[Slim Cognito]

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[Sam the Centipede]

Needz mohr orinj.

And uh mushrooom.

[Dave from down under]

If you look closer you can see it..

Yes it is to correct scale.

[Flatpoint High]

If you look closer you can see it..

Yes it is to correct scale.

[Dave from down under]

My work here is done

[raison de arizona]

MEMORANDUM OF LAW IN SUPPORT OF DEFENDANT’S MOTION TO STAY PENDING APPEAL

[RTH10260]

Ted Lieu Reads Judge's Ruling Rejecting Fmr. Pres. Trump's Request for New Trial in E. Jean Carroll Case

Rep. Ted Lieu reads a judge's ruling rejecting former President Trump's request for a new trial in the E. Jean Carroll civil defamation case.

That's the ruling where the judge calls the former guy officially a rapist ...

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5079378/ ... rroll-case

[bob]

[RTH10260]

as above

Judge says E Jean Carroll allegation Trump raped her is ‘substantially true’ in court dismissal
Ex-president claimed that writer defamed him when saying he raped her, but judge said term is commonly ‘used and understood’ in context

Martin Pengelly
Mon 7 Aug 2023 21.33 BST

Donald Trump suffered another legal reversal on Monday, losing his counterclaim for defamation against E Jean Carroll, the writer against whom he was found liable for sexual abuse and defamation and fined $5m, and who continues to pursue a separate defamation case against him.

Dismissing the counterclaim, a judge in New York, Lewis A Kaplan, said that when Carroll repeated her allegation that Trump raped her, her words were “substantially true”. Kaplan also set out in detail why it may be said that Trump raped Carroll.



https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/202 ... an-carroll

[MN-Skeptic]

Kyle Cheney
@kyledcheney
JUST IN: Judge Kaplan grants "partial summary judgment" to Jean CARROLL in her second lawsuit against Donald Trump.

Trial will be limited to determining damages:

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... .214.0.pdf

[Volkonski]

Well, Trump claims to be rich as Croesus so the damages could be substantial and not impoverish him.

[raison de arizona]

Isn't it Finland where fines (such as for speeding) are linked to income? I want to say I saw a $100k+ speeding ticket there once. Perhaps punitive damages should be linked to a percentage of income, as opposed to just a number. $100k would hurt me very badly, but tfg would sneeze at it. Probably.

[Gregg]

Isn't it Finland where fines (such as for speeding) are linked to income? I want to say I saw a $100k+ speeding ticket there once. Perhaps punitive damages should be linked to a percentage of income, as opposed to just a number. $100k would hurt me very badly, but tfg would sneeze at it. Probably.

Germany, Austria, France and the Nordic countries all have income or wealth based traffic fines.

I think one of the IKEA heirs got a speeding ticket that cost about what I make in a year in Norway (strange because IKEA is Dutch but here you are...) and I know a case in Sweden where a traffic ticket cost a guy more than he paid for the Shelby GT 500 he got it in.
There was also a fine over a quarter million dollars for speeding in Switzerland (thank you Enzo Ferrari).

Germany is the one that gets me, because Autobahn and all. How ironic would it be to get a six figure speeding ticket in a country where a lot of the highways don't even have speed limits.

[Frater I*I]

Well, Trump claims to be rich as Croesus so the damages could be substantial and not impoverish him.

But not a rich as Marcus Licinius Crassus...