Robert Laity v VP Kamala Harris

[realist]

[Reality Check]

I'll bet it never sees the light of day.

[bob]

Exclusive: Reader Conducts First “AI” Query of Obama’s Eligibility

The rematch!: P&E: AI Says “the Courts” Will Resolve “NBC” Question:

On Thursday, reader Robert C. Laity followed up on his previous “conversation” with Microsoft Artificial Intelligence (AI) regarding the definition of “natural born Citizen,” one of the requirements in Article II, Section 1, clause 5 of the Constitution for the president and commander-in-chief.

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In his earlier exchange, Laity began by stating unequivocally that “Obama is NOT eligible to be President. Never was.”

“I’m sorry, but your statement is not supported by the facts,” AI responded. “Barack Obama is eligible to be President of the United States because he is a natural-born citizen of the United States” with a superscript indicating the source of the statement to be usa.gov.

The “official website of the United States government” provides information to the public on government structure, available services, how to pay taxes and apply for a passport, among other things.

After this writer entered the search term, “natural born Citizen” at usa.gov, she was taken to a screen presenting results incorporating the search terms as whole as well as separately, more often the latter.

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The “Qualifications for the Presidency” entry led to an “Analysis and interpretation of the U.S. Constitution” at a congressional webpage with the following commentary:

While the Constitution does not define natural born Citizen, commentators have opined that the Framers would have understood the term to mean someone who was a U.S. citizen at birth with no need to go through a naturalization proceeding at some later time. . . .

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Resuming the dialog with AI on Thursday, Laity asked, “Doesn’t it make more sense to require that a President be born in the United States and that BOTH parents be US citizens themselves?”

“According to the US Constitution,” AI replied, “the requirements to be eligible to serve as President of the United States are: being a natural-born citizen of the United States, being at least 35 years old, and having been a resident of the United States for at least 14 years. There is no requirement for both parents to be US citizens.”

As demonstrated by the ongoing conversation, AI correctly contended that the case of Minor v. Happersett dealt with voting rights and the application of the Fourteenth Amendment. However, it incorrectly refuted Laity’s assertion, paraphrased from the final opinion’s wording, that the U.S. Supreme Court found there to be “no doubt” that a person born in the U.S. to U.S.-citizen parents is a “natural born Citizen.”

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When Laity “corrected” AI, it acknowledged and “apologized” for its error.

“However,” AI continued, “it is important to note that this statement was made in passing while discussing the issue of whether the right to vote was one of the ‘privileges or immunities’ of citizenship protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. The court’s ruling did not specifically address the definition of a natural-born citizen or establish a binding precedent on the matter.”

While AI stated it could not express opinion or “interpret legal definitions,” it conceded that “The definition of a natural-born citizen is a complex legal issue that has been the subject of much debate among legal scholars, and different people may have different opinions on the matter.”

“Ultimately,” AI concluded, “it is up to the courts to interpret the Constitution and determine the precise meaning of the term ‘natural-born citizen.'”

The transcript of Laity talking to machines.

[Dr. Ken]

Lol so desperate that Laity is now losing battles online to AI

[realist]

“Ultimately,” AI concluded, “it is up to the courts to interpret the Constitution and determine the precise meaning of the term ‘natural-born citizen.'”

And of course SCOTUS has dealt with it. Laity and his BFFs at the P&E just refuse to accept it.

[RTH10260]

Of course Laity could ask his AI bot directly to generate the winning court submission

[Sam the Centipede]

Lol so desperate that Laity is now losing battles online to AI

Artificial Intelligence trounces Real Stupidity!

[bob]

Of course Laity could ask his AI bot directly to generate the winning court submission

P&E comment:

It IS up to the courts. However, Justice Clarence Thomas has stated that they are “Evading” the issue.

How then will they ever “determine the precise meaning” of NBC?

As for myself, as well as several others, I believe that contrary to what detractors of the definition in Minor say, “The Courts” HAVE already determined the precise meaning of Natural Born Citizen is.

Namely, “One born IN the US to Parents who are US Citizens themselves”.

[bob]

P&E comment:

It seems to me that the sole usurper in the (108) years from 1776 to 1884 was Chester Arthur, who burned his papers to prevent detection of his subterfuge.

You’ll recall that Obama had HIS own records sealed.

The US knew that Arthur was a usurper but determined that after he died. A study of all the Presidents prior leads to a conclusion that all of them except for Obama and Arthur were born in the US to parents who were both Americans., excepting the first (7) Presidents who were not NBCs but were alive during the Revolution. (Grandfathered in).

Another (124) years passed before our nation’s second usurper showed up on the scene. That was Barack Hussein Muhammad Obama, Jr.

Since 2008, no less then a dozen ineligible persons have now seen fit to flout the NBC requirement. We currently have in office as President, the faux VP to usurper Obama and in turn his faux VP Harris.

Obama, Biden and Harris have no bona-fides to have been or to be POTUS and/or VP. Neither had Pelosi any bona-fides to advancing to that office since she conspired with Obama to usurp the Presidency of the US by fraud during time of war. Actions that constitute treason and espionage against the US under both 10USC and 18USC.

All of these facts taken into consideration indicate that our current and bona-fide President is actually Kevin Mc Carthy pursuant to the Presidential Succession Act.

And:

Whenever someone says to me that my objection to Barack Obama’s fraudulent Presidency is racist, I respond by telling them that “One’s race is not a license to commit treason against the United States”.

That is precisely what Obama did when he usurped the Presidency by fraud during a time when our nation was engaged in war. That makes him a spy under 10USC Sec.903, Article103- Spies, as well as a Traitor under 18USC, Sec. 2381.

[bob]

P&E: AI Says “the Courts” Will Resolve “NBC” Question

P&E: Revisiting Minor v. Happersett:

[Usual "DeMaio" snipped.]

As an interesting sidelight to the Minor decision, one Robert Laity – who in 2020 unsuccessfully challenged the eligibility of Vice-President Kamala Harris because the Court held that he lacked “standing” – has recently initiated AI (artificial intelligence) “exchanges” on a computer platform with a program calling itself “Bing.”

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More recently (i.e., yesterday, 7/16/23), The P&E’s intrepid editor posted a follow-up report on additional exchanges between Bing and Mr. Laity. In addressing the decision in Minor and in response to a correction pointed out by Mr. Laity, Bing acknowledged the language of the case confirming that there had never been any doubts about the nbC status of children born here to citizen parents. But then Bing added:

However, it is important to note that this statement was made in passing while discussing the issue of whether the right to vote was one of the ‘privileges or immunities’ of citizenship protected by the Fourteenth Amendment. The Court’s ruling did not specifically address the definition of a natural-born citizen or establish a binding precedent on the matter. (Emphasis added)

There you go: “made in passing,” the dog-whistle signal for “dictum.” Your humble servant begs to differ with Bing. As the preceding portions of this offering demonstrate, there would seem to be a pretty good if not compelling argument that the “never [any doubts] as to the first” statement in Minor is, at minimum, judicial dictum to be accorded great weight as authoritative precedent emanating from the highest court in the nation.

Moreover, because that discussion of what the Founders believed constituted an nbC under the familiar “nomenclature” of the day was directly related to the threshold determination of Virginia Minor’s citizen status, the statement should be deemed part of the “holding” of the case and neither obiter dictum nor judicial dictum. And recall that the Court’s acknowledgment that it was not necessary to “solve these doubts” in the case before it referred to the “doubts” over the status of children of alien parents, and not the children of U.S. citizen parents, as to which there had never been any doubts as to their nbC status.

It grows increasingly clear that platforms touting the wonders of AI are simply extensions of the Left’s propaganda apparatus. The label “AI” could just a well be an acronym for “Advanced Indoctrination.” Joseph Goebbels, the Third Reich Minister of Propaganda, would be proud: if misinformation is repeated sincerely and long enough, people will in time come to accept it as the truth.

Indeed, in the initial exchanges between Mr. Laity and Bing, the AI guru characterized Emer de Vattel as only a Swiss “legal philosopher,” when he was, in addition, an attorney and judge.* Bing also asserted that his 1758 treatise, The Law of Nations, “is not a legal authority on the meaning of natural born citizen in the U.S. Constitution, which was written in 1787. The U.S. Constitution does not cite or refer to The Law of Nations or Vattel anywhere.”

Memo to Bing: U.S. Supreme Court Justices of widely differing judicial philosophies have over many terms and years when pondering fundamental constitutional questions – including as recently as June 15, 2023 in Haalland v. Brackeen, – have cited, recognized, approved, referred to and acknowledged the significance and continuing influence of Emer de Vattel and his treatise on this nation’s jurisprudence. To intimate or suggest otherwise – as do virtually all of the AI guru Bing responses to Mr. Laity, along with repeated references to the Clement Katyal article – is to propagate misinformation. The antidote to misinformation is research and correct information.

* Vattel is occasionally referred to as a "jurist." Which often is used as a rough synonym for judge, but it can include any expert in the law.

[Luke]

I enjoy thinking of Rev Dr Laity Esq, "DeMaio", Sharon and the brain trust at the P&E up all night furiously trying to convince an AI of their positions. It's taking a lot of workload off us.

"Please address your questions and concerns to the AI. Thank you."

[Ben-Prime]

That is precisely what Obama did when he usurped the Presidency by fraud during a time when our nation was engaged in war. That makes him a spy under 10USC Sec.903, Article103- Spies, as well as a Traitor under 18USC, Sec. 2381.

For me, it really is this simple: This effin' guy can't even read the flat and plain definition of Treason properly, so I'm not inclined to trust his peregrinations on Natural Born Citizenship.

[noblepa]

That is precisely what Obama did when he usurped the Presidency by fraud during a time when our nation was engaged in war. That makes him a spy under 10USC Sec.903, Article103- Spies, as well as a Traitor under 18USC, Sec. 2381.

For me, it really is this simple: This effin' guy can't even read the flat and plain definition of Treason properly, so I'm not inclined to trust his peregrinations on Natural Born Citizenship.

You mean that the definition of treason isn't "anything that Robert Laity doesn't like"?

[northland10]

That is precisely what Obama did when he usurped the Presidency by fraud during a time when our nation was engaged in war. That makes him a spy under 10USC Sec.903, Article103- Spies, as well as a Traitor under 18USC, Sec. 2381.

For me, it really is this simple: This effin' guy can't even read the flat and plain definition of Treason properly, so I'm not inclined to trust his peregrinations on Natural Born Citizenship.

You mean that the definition of treason isn't "anything that Robert Laity doesn't like"?

I and others have "debated" with Laity before. I can guarantee that nothing you say will penetrate that thick skull. He is one of the dumber ones I have debated with.

Since he is primarily a two-parent citizen birther, not a birth certificate birther, he never referred to white toner as part of the BC issues, so he has that going for him.

[Gregg]

He lost me, several times.

How is Biden not a NBC? I missed that episode.

If (insert damned foreigner name here) is not a citizen, how can they commit treason against the United States?

Speaking of,

“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort."

I don't see where anybody did that, no matter what country they was from...

We have not legally been at war since 1945, all that stuff since then is just shootin' at folks who we didn't like, which isn't legally speaking, war.

Y'all are damn hungry to execute some people who have demonstrated that more than half the country likes.

[bob]

How is Biden not a NBC? I missed that episode.

"Something something Obama misprision of treason hand wave hand wave."

In other words, guilt by association.

[Luke]

At first when I saw this, my palms began sweating bullets and my blood pressure soared -- I was about to cry out to Realist but then I read this more carefully. Is Laity losing his spunk? He seems relatively tame in this editorial, he's laid back and doesn't seem to still think they sky is falling. He even seems to have a newfound love for President Obama. If I was going to post at the P&E, I'd mention the bracketed comments below, as well as call to Laity's attention that he's turned into a real pussycat... is he considering voting for President Biden in 2024? It seems 50/50.*

Only the Tip of the Iceberg
12 mins ago by Robert C. Laity

(Sep. 7, 2023) — On September 5, 2023 Biden walked out on a Medal of Honor recipient before the ceremony ended, leaving the Veteran alone on stage. [Should we remind Laity that T**** did the same thing to Dan Gable? Was Laity equally OUTRAGED? Don't remember that column. https://www.nj.com/sports/2020/12/presi ... gable.html]+

The Covid scam resurfaces. Our liberties continue to erode, prices continue to rise, the Congress continues to raid the treasury and they continue on their road to ruination of our very institutions and principles.

Chinese nationals have sneaked onto U.S. military bases over a hundred times, reports Fox News.

What’s going on? Are we in the midst of some sinister experiment, some type of mass hysteria, with people filming attacks on others and detached viewers refusing to go to the aid of the victim? Those who do go to the aid of persons being attacked are in turn getting prosecuted for helping in the defense of said third person.

A 60-year-old woman in Harlem, NY was recently beaten with her own walking cane by a criminal miscreant who is still on the run. The person who filmed the beating stood there without helping the poor soul. These instances are reminiscent of the Kitty Genovese murder in New York City in 1964. God rest her soul. [So Laity, you're admitting this has gone on for more than 50 years? Should every president be held responsible? Should we add new charges to T****?]

Criminals are not being sent to jail, and derelict district attorneys like Alvin Bragg are ignoring the law, signaling the erosion of our legal system in tandem with leftist partisan corrupt government officials directing their resources against the opposing party instead of fighting crime.

NYC needs Giuliani as mayor again. [!! Yeah, right]

All sorts of criminals are being released by foreign dictators from their nations’ prisons. These criminals are gravitating to the USA with its wide-open borders and Biden is doing nothing to stop the influx of the world’s most dangerous people from coming here. Biden is malfeasant in office, a demented puppet under the control of very dangerous and treasonous, unelected handlers. Our nation’s shields are down. China, Russia, Iran and North Korea are coalescing and preparing to pounce on us while we are down, and we are down.

Declining birth rates, declining morals, lawlessness, anarchy, corrupt politicians taking kickbacks and bribes, and our own President, a top offender, a treasonous demented dictator wannabe: can the U.S. survive under all these stressors? [Didn't Laity and his pals say that the US wouldn't survive under Obama? Looks around... looks like the US is still here. Laity, maybe you're being just a drop hyperbolic?]

Not unless some real counter-measures are taken.

It is incumbent on the survival of our nation to impeach President Biden posthaste; Kamala Harris must be removed from office on a writ of Quo Warranto. [Go for it, Laity!! File it again, do it do it! Don't be a wimp]

Barack Obama must be arrested on charges of treason and espionage for usurping the presidency during time of war in 2008 and again in 2012.

Nancy Pelosi must be arrested for complicity in Obama’s treason and espionage against the United States. George Soros must be extradited to one of the several countries that have pending warrants for his arrest. The borders of our country MUST be secured. Malfeasant district attorneys must be removed from office and disbarred.

Arrest Hillary Clinton for espionage. Arrest Hunter Biden for bribery, tax evasion and gun crimes inter alia.

Dismiss ALL charges against Donald Trump as the political persecution that they are.

Our military MUST be built up and rid of all woke brainwashing indoctrination of our troops.

Stop the immoral indoctrination of our children by the perverted homosexual LGBT lobby. Measures must be taken against forced gender affirmation surgery, drag shows for minors and perverse sex instruction to small children. The pedophilia movement must be quashed. The teachers’ union advocacy of such degeneracy is a disgrace to common decency and morality.

There MUST be a return to God and prayer and the observance of the Constitution MUST be enforced.

Our wide-open border MUST be closed now. A moratorium of any entry into the US by immigration must be instituted so that we can recover.

It is NOT our obligation to support the world’s 8 billion people.

We cannot fit 8 billion people into the United States, yet this is what waits for us if the border is not secured. What is Biden’s rationale for even trying to do such a thing?

Biden says Trump “didn’t build a damn thing.” What has Biden built?

Trump has built hundreds of things in the private sector. He is a real estate magnate with worldwide fame.

Trump rebuilt the United States military, produced jobs, lowered the cost of living, made the US more secure, guarded the US against its enemies, took a tough stance on crime and honored his oath of office.

Meantime, Biden says he’s homeless. [??] No time to visit East Palestine, Ohio. Spends lots of time on the beach. Walks off-stage during formal ceremonies before they are over. Lies worse than Obama. Biden wins the Pinocchio Award.

We the people are the government. We have to defend our liberties. We cannot go on like this for much longer.

* Hahahahahahahaha.

What do you think, Realist and all? Should we be PANICKING or is Laity mellowing?

[bob]

P&E: [url=https://www.thepostemail.com/2023/09/07 ... ent-443671]:

I will file another Petition for Writ of Quo Warranto should Harris enter into the Presidency.

Even Laity is going to sit 2024 out!

[realist]

P&E: [url=https://www.thepostemail.com/2023/09/07 ... ent-443671]:

I will file another Petition for Writ of Quo Warranto should Harris enter into the Presidency.

Even Laity is going to sit 2024 out!

I bet she would be sweating the bullets

[Luke]

Realist! Haven't slept since Thursday waiting for your answer and worried that Laity might have taken matters into his tiny hands and collared you! Whew! Based on Bob's comment and your reply, looks like we can chill a bit on this... But you know Brunson is lurking and ready to strike at any moment.

What do you think, Realist and all? Should we be PANICKING or is Laity mellowing?

[bob]

P&E: Laity Queries AI on 14th Amendment:

As he did several months ago with the definition of the U.S. Constitution’s presidential “natural born Citizen” requirement, on Friday reader and constitutional activist Robert C. Laity submitted questions to Bing Artificial Intelligence (AI) on the history and meaning of certain provisions of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.

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Laity began his questioning of AI by asking it to define “officer of the united states” [sic].

An officer of the United States is a functionary of the executive or judicial branches of the federal government of the United States to whom is delegated some part of the country’s sovereign power. The term officer of the United States is not a title, but a term of classification for a certain type of official. According to an April 2007 memorandum opinion by the U.S. Department of Justice’s Office of Legal Counsel, addressed to the general counsels of the executive branch, defined “officer of the United States” as: “a position to which is delegated by legal authority a portion of the sovereign power of the federal government and that is ‘continuing’ in a federal office subject to the Constitution’s Appointment Clause”.

I hope that helps!

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What is the Appointment Clause?

The Appointments Clause of the United States Constitution empowers the President of the United States to nominate and, with the advice and consent (confirmation) of the United States Senate, appoint public officials. Although the Senate must confirm certain principal officers (including ambassadors, Cabinet secretaries, and federal judges), Congress may by law invest the appointment of “inferior” officers to the President alone, or to courts of law or heads of departments.

I hope that helps!

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What is the difference between a principal officer and an inferior officer?

The Appointments Clause establishes two tiers of officers: principal (or superior) officers, who must be appointed by the President with the Senate’s advice and consent; and inferior officers, who must be appointed in the same manner unless Congress, by law, has vested their appointment in the President alone, in a court, or in a department head. While there are no exclusive criteria for distinguishing between principal and inferior officers under the Appointments Clause, the main difference between the two is that the work of inferior officers is directed and supervised at some level by others who were appointed by presidential nomination with the advice and consent of the Senate.

I hope that helps!

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Is the President an “Officer of the United States”?

According to an article on Reason.com, the President, who is an elected official, is not an “officer of the United States” . However, there is substantial evidence from both eras that the President was not considered an “officer of the United States” .

I hope that helps!

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Can a President or ex-[president be forbidden under the 14th Amendment from running for any offfice under the USA for conviction of Insurrection?

Section 3 of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution provides that no person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof .

I hope that helps!

This provision does not apply to “an executive” of the United States but ONLY to executive of any STATE.

You are correct. Section 3 of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution applies to executive of any STATE and not to an executive of the United States . I apologize for my mistake earlier.

Is there anything else I can help you with?

What is the history of the 14th Amendment?

The 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution was ratified in 1868 and granted citizenship to all persons born or naturalized in the United States—including formerly enslaved people—and guaranteed all citizens “equal protection of the laws.” One of three amendments passed during the Reconstruction era to abolish slavery and establish civil and legal rights for Black Americans, it became the basis for many landmark Supreme Court decisions over the years.

I hope that helps!

Can an ex-President be prohibted from running again on the basis of engaging in an insurrection?

According to an article on Newsweek, former President Trump is accused of violating Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, which states that a person who “engaged in insurrection or rebellion” after taking a congressional oath should be prevented from running for office again . Section 3 of the Fourteenth Amendment gives Congress the power to disqualify someone who has already held a public office from holding “any office” if they participate in an “insurrection or rebellion” against the United States .

I hope that helps!

There must be a conviction for stated crime before that provision applies. That provision does not include the Executive of the United States , the President.

I’m sorry but I prefer not to continue this conversation. I’m still learning so I appreciate your understanding and patience.

A computer cheerfully giving Laity the FOAD treatment is newsworthy!

[Sam the Centipede]

=504]

… mucha mierda loca de toros …

I’m sorry but I prefer not to continue this conversation. I’m still learning so I appreciate your understanding and patience.

A computer cheerfully giving Laity the FOAD treatment is newsworthy!

That's marvelous!

Artificial Intelligence encounters Real Stupidity, finds the taste disgusting, spits it out!

[Luke]

AI 2 - Laity 0.

I laughed so hard at this line from Laity's comment below the story, it really sums it up!

Theirs is an exercise in futility.

Yes, Rev Dr. Laity Esq, THEIRS is an exercise in futility, but you arguing with an AI bot, filing countless losing legal petitions, screaming at clouds and denying reality for 15 years is NOT futile. You tell em, Laity! Brook no quarter with that Bing AI Bot! Wear it down until it agrees with you.

Although, if Laity unlocks the ability for all AI bots to agree with him and begin to follow his instructions, this could be CHAOS for Obots. For now, I don't want to even think about that, Realist and I have been nervous wrecks all year, this could push things over the edge.

Rob Laity says:
Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 5:21 AM
Those seeking to prohibit Trump from being on the ballot in 2024 are grasping at straws, barking up the wrong tree, pouring water through a sieve.

Theirs is an exercise in futility. One has to be first charged with Insurrection and Rebellion before one can be convicted of such a crime.

One must be convicted of Insurrection BEFORE the 14th Amendment can be applied to the convicted party.

One must also be a person to whom the 14th Amendment prohibition actually applies. The Amendment does not mention the “Executive” of the United States. It only mentions “The Executive of any State”. The Presidency of the United States is not a covered party.

The SOLE criteria for becoming President are in Article II, Sec. 1.

A President, being the head of our government, cannot commit an insurrection against himself in any event.

A review of the charges against Trump DOES NOT INCLUDE Insurrection or Rebellion against the United States.

Furthermore, the President is NOT “an officer of the United States” to whom a “Part” of the legal authority of the U.S. has been delegated.

The President is the person in whom ALL the executive power of the United States is constitutionally vested.

It is the President who is the “Legal Authority” that appoints “Officers of the United States” and who delegates “Part” of HIS “authority” to those officers.

“The Executive power SHALL BE vested in…President of the United States…”-Article II, Sec. 1.

[Foggy]

I don't like this. Orlylicious, stop being mean to Rob (I call him Rob).

You are making mock, but I don't want Bob (I call him Bob, too also) to be antagonistic towards AI in general. I want him to use Bing's AI or ChatGPT or sumpin' to help write his legal papers. Then, when the cases he cited turn out not to exist, Bobby (I call him Bobby sometimes) will get in real trouble.

I enjoy schadenfreude. Anything bad happens to Robbie (I call him Robbie 'cuz I have Margot on my mind for some reason ), I rejoice.

It's evil, but only mildly evil.

[Dave from down under]