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[Slim Cognito]

Sounds like something Sheldon Cooper would say.

I like it.

[AndyinPA]

Marsha Blackburn

[realist]

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Except that student-athletes (actually a misnomer these days) get admission preferences that non-athletes don't get.

Is this the end of college athletics?

Because there's no way an athlete could have been accepted into college because they also are good students. Got it.

[keith]

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Except that student-athletes (actually a misnomer these days) get admission preferences that non-athletes don't get.

Is this the end of college athletics?

Because there's no way an athlete could have been accepted into college because they also are good students. Got it.

That sound you just heard was the point of my remark flying over your head.

Most "premium" schools have different admission criteria for athletes, and all spend huge funds on recruitment. Lots of srudent athletes that would barely qualify for ASU, get in to UCLA.

OF COURSE some athletes can pass the normal admission criteria. But many cannot. And they get preferential treatment up and down the line from the athletic department.

[somerset]

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Except that student-athletes (actually a misnomer these days) get admission preferences that non-athletes don't get.

Is this the end of college athletics?

Because there's no way an athlete could have been accepted into college because they also are good students. Got it.

Off Topic

A colleague of mine from the world of reliability physics shattered my stereotype of "dumb jock." We were talking about his background one day, and he told me, "Well, I went to college on a football scholarship. Played center. Then in my sophomore year I blew out my knee and couldn't play football anymore. So I decided to study physics instead." He went on to get his Ph.D. from Florida State, was a Professor at UNC, then joined TI where he became a Senior Fellow, combining quantum physics with fundamental degradation mechanisms in semiconductor devices. Brilliant guy.

[sugar magnolia]

Didn't that paid admissions scandal involving the actress have something about one of her kids getting an athletic scholarship for rowing or volleyball or some such? A sport she wasn't even involved in?

[Volkonski]

Didn't that paid admissions scandal involving the actress have something about one of her kids getting an athletic scholarship for rowing or volleyball or some such? A sport she wasn't even involved in?

Yes.

[raison de arizona]

Didn't that paid admissions scandal involving the actress have something about one of her kids getting an athletic scholarship for rowing or volleyball or some such? A sport she wasn't even involved in?

Yes.

Lori Loughlin, she did two months in the pokey for it too. I don't think it was for the scholarship though, it was for the admission.

[Liz]

Didn't that paid admissions scandal involving the actress have something about one of her kids getting an athletic scholarship for rowing or volleyball or some such? A sport she wasn't even involved in?

Yes.

The rare full ride Coxswain scholarship.. she did have to chant "Stroke, Stroke" .... in rhythm

[Gregg]

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Except that student-athletes (actually a misnomer these days) get admission preferences that non-athletes don't get.

Is this the end of college athletics?

Because there's no way an athlete could have been accepted into college because they also are good students. Got it.

It happens...

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[Ben-Prime]

It happens...

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Are you implying that Dr. Monsignor Special Agent The Honorable Admiral Walker, Ph.D., might have been less adept at anything than claimed?

[realist]

Except that student-athletes (actually a misnomer these days) get admission preferences that non-athletes don't get.

Is this the end of college athletics?

Because there's no way an athlete could have been accepted into college because they also are good students. Got it.

That sound you just heard was the point of my remark flying over your head.

Most "premium" schools have different admission criteria for athletes, and all spend huge funds on recruitment. Lots of srudent athletes that would barely qualify for ASU, get in to UCLA.

OF COURSE some athletes can pass the normal admission criteria. But many cannot. And they get preferential treatment up and down the line from the athletic department.

No, I think that sound was you totally missing mine.

[Estiveo]

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[neeneko]

Because there's no way an athlete could have been accepted into college because they also are good students. Got it.

This is sideways about right. It isn't that there are not people who are both athletic and academically talented enough to qualify for both, but the academic system and athletic ones are incompatible. College athletics depends on weak students, strong ones will spend too much of their time and focus getting an education. The ideal recruit is someone who could not otherwise get in and doesn't have the interest to take advantage of the academic offerings anyway.

[realist]

Because there's no way an athlete could have been accepted into college because they also are good students. Got it.

This is sideways about right. It isn't that there are not people who are both athletic and academically talented enough to qualify for both, but the academic system and athletic ones are incompatible. College athletics depends on weak students, strong ones will spend too much of their time and focus getting an education. The ideal recruit is someone who could not otherwise get in and doesn't have the interest to take advantage of the academic offerings anyway.

"Student-athletes continue to make impressive achievements in the classroom," said Dave Schnase, NCAA vice president of academic and membership affairs. "Student-athletes have demonstrated an incredible commitment to academic success while pursuing their sport at the Division I level. Member schools should be proud for creating meaningful, enriching and educational experiences that help our student-athletes graduate and set a course for long-term success."

Over the course of 20 years, significant gains have been demonstrated within the diverse student-athlete population — Black student-athlete graduation rates increasing by 25 points from 56% to 81%, Hispanic/Latinx student-athletes with a 24-point increase from 64% to 88%, Black FBS football student-athletes with a 27-point increase from 54% to 81%, and Black men's basketball student-athletes with an increase of 35 points from 46% to 81%.

https://www.ncaa.org/news/2022/11/15/me ... rates.aspx

[neeneko]

"Student-athletes continue to make impressive achievements in the classroom," said Dave Schnase, NCAA vice president of academic and membership affairs. "Student-athletes have demonstrated an incredible commitment to academic success while pursuing their sport at the Division I level. Member schools should be proud for creating meaningful, enriching and educational experiences that help our student-athletes graduate and set a course for long-term success."

What? A spokesman for an organization assuring the public that something they have had historical problems with isn't a problem after all? *gasp*

The have been publicly claiming that their athletic requirements do not impact academics and how they are a pathway to academic success, but these claims have been in response for a long set of complaints from students and teacher regarding the 'balance' demanded by athletic departments.

It isn't quite as bad when you are talking about the less profitable sports (though their scholarships also tend to be only partial), but anything department that is cash flow positive, they really do not want their athletes focusing on unimportant things like classes.

[realist]

So besides (maybe) each individual Division 1 college, just who else do you believe maintains statistics on such?

I know it's difficult to have a diverging opinion here, but I'm going to always take umbrage with the "lump them all together" crowd because it's, well, BS. That is my point. To say (blanket) colleges do not want athletes who also care about gaining an education is the same. BS.

Obviously there are exceptions to both beliefs. Well, at least in my opinion.