Spring forward.
To delete this message, click the X at top right.

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

Abandon reality, all ye who enter here. *Democracy*Under*Threat*
User avatar
Foggy
Dick Tater
Posts: 9554
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:45 am
Location: Fogbow HQ
Occupation: Dick Tater/Space Cadet
Verified: as seen on qvc zombie apocalypse

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3801

Post by Foggy »

As I've said, Trump lives in two different realities, one of which he actually does control.

Epshteyn is a lawyer, meaning that he should be operating in the main reality, where stuff is, y'know ... real. Trump prefers the other one, where anything he says is true no matter how ridiculously false. It sounds like Epshteyn is trying to navigate the two realities, but leaning more towards the unreal, Trumpian one. And maybe even confusing which one is which. Which might could get him in trouble with the real reality of courts and judges and stuff.
:daydreaming:
Out from under. :thumbsup:
User avatar
Gregg
Posts: 5502
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:54 am
Location: Cincinnati, Gettysburg
Occupation: We build cars

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3802

Post by Gregg »

I have a theory that the purpose of Boris Epshteyn is to give Trump the excuse that "No one told me, Epshteyn talked to those people but he never told me any of this".

Just a theory.
Supreme Commander, Imperial Illuminati Air Force
:dog:

You don't have to consent, but I'm gonna tase you anyway.
User avatar
RVInit
Posts: 3830
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:48 am

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3803

Post by RVInit »

EXCLUSIVE: Trump captured on tape talking about classified document he kept after leaving the White House
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/31/politics ... index.html
Federal prosecutors have obtained an audio recording of a summer 2021 meeting in which former President Donald Trump acknowledges he held onto a classified Pentagon document about a potential attack on Iran, multiple sources told CNN, undercutting his argument that he declassified everything.

The recording indicates Trump understood he retained classified material after leaving the White House, according to multiple sources familiar with the investigation. On the recording, Trump’s comments suggest he would like to share the information but he’s aware of limitations on his ability post-presidency to declassify records, two of the sources said.

CNN has not listened to the recording, but multiple sources described it. One source said the relevant portion on the Iran document is about two minutes long, and another source said the discussion is a small part of a much longer meeting.
There's a lot of things that need to change. One specifically? Police brutality.
--Colin Kaepernick
User avatar
Kendra
Posts: 10497
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:17 am

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3804

Post by Kendra »

The recording was made at Bedminster in July 2021 by Trump aide Margo Martin when Trump met with ghost writers for Mark Meadows’ book, per sources familiar. Martin had her laptop and devices imaged earlier this year and got asked about the tape when she testified in March.

Trump is said to have had the meeting taped because, in general, he does not trust journalists and authors to necessarily reflect his comments accurately. Martin typically taped the meetings, sources said.
User avatar
Kendra
Posts: 10497
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2021 10:17 am

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3805

Post by Kendra »


BREAKING: We now have the names of 1. The guy who helped Nauta move boxes and 2. The IT guy he asked about security footage in a phone call. The IT guy HAS APPEARED before the grand jury. More:
User avatar
RVInit
Posts: 3830
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:48 am

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3806

Post by RVInit »

There's a lot of things that need to change. One specifically? Police brutality.
--Colin Kaepernick
User avatar
AndyinPA
Posts: 9853
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:42 am
Location: Pittsburgh
Verified:

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3807

Post by AndyinPA »

:lol:
"Choose your leaders with wisdom and forethought. To be led by a coward is to be controlled by all that the coward fears… To be led by a liar is to ask to be told lies." -Octavia E. Butler
User avatar
Flatpoint High
Posts: 1278
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:58 am
Location: Hotel California, PH523, Galaxy Central, M103
Occupation: professional pain in the ass, voice actor & keeper of the straight face
Verified:

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3808

Post by Flatpoint High »

swlmta7hv93b1.jpg
swlmta7hv93b1.jpg (173.27 KiB) Viewed 1755 times
castigat ridendo mores.
VELOCIUS QUAM ASPARAGI COQUANTUR
User avatar
RVInit
Posts: 3830
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:48 am

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3809

Post by RVInit »

There's a lot of things that need to change. One specifically? Police brutality.
--Colin Kaepernick
User avatar
RVInit
Posts: 3830
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:48 am

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3810

Post by RVInit »

LOL, the GOP talking point on this is "these are leaks".
There's a lot of things that need to change. One specifically? Police brutality.
--Colin Kaepernick
Dave from down under
Posts: 3908
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:50 pm
Location: Down here!

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3811

Post by Dave from down under »

Roll Exhibit “A” in the Prosecution for espionage of DJ Trump.
User avatar
RTH10260
Posts: 14351
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:16 am
Location: Switzerland, near the Alps
Verified: ✔️ Eurobot

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3812

Post by RTH10260 »

same by WaPo
Prosecutors have recording of Trump discussing sensitive Iran document
The July 2021 recording could undercut key defense claims that Trump declassified or didn’t know about the documents

By Devlin Barrett and Josh Dawsey
May 31, 2023 at 8:47 p.m. EDT

Special counsel Jack Smith has obtained a 2021 recording in which Donald Trump appears to brag about having a classified document related to Iran, suggesting the former president understood both the legal and security concerns around his possession of such restricted information, people familiar with the matter said Wednesday.
:snippity:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... fied-iran/
gift link https://wapo.st/3WH67eG
WaPo wrote: A Trump spokesperson replied to an email seeking comment by decrying leaks about the investigation, which he said “are designed to inflame tensions and continue the media’s harassment of President Trump and his supporters. It’s just more proof that when it comes to President Trump, there are absolutely no depths to which they will not sink as they pursue their witch hunts.”
User avatar
RVInit
Posts: 3830
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:48 am

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3813

Post by RVInit »

I am more and more convinced that the video we saw of boxes being carried from an SUV and loaded into the plane that Trump took to Bedminster more than likely contained some classified documents, probably including the one Trump was bragging about to people who did not have security clearance. This was something several of us had speculated/wondered about when that video was discovered after we learned that the FBI had executed a search warrant that produced a number of classified documents and other government papers and property from Mar-a-Lago.

I don't think it matters whether he specifically allowed them to read the words from the document or if he paraphrased what was contained in that document. To the extent that he talked about anything in the document that was classified information, if those people did not have proper clearance to hear that information, that is bad, bad, bad.
There's a lot of things that need to change. One specifically? Police brutality.
--Colin Kaepernick
User avatar
AndyinPA
Posts: 9853
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:42 am
Location: Pittsburgh
Verified:

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3814

Post by AndyinPA »

Espionage bad? :popcorn:
"Choose your leaders with wisdom and forethought. To be led by a coward is to be controlled by all that the coward fears… To be led by a liar is to ask to be told lies." -Octavia E. Butler
User avatar
Gregg
Posts: 5502
Joined: Tue Feb 23, 2021 1:54 am
Location: Cincinnati, Gettysburg
Occupation: We build cars

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3815

Post by Gregg »

Who here thinks there are no documents hidden at Bedminster? And who thinks the search his attorneys did and certified that there were none is just as bogus as the one done at Mar A Lago 100 odd secret documents ago?

The guy thought of this stuff as "his" and thinks the government has no right to even ask. He has said more times than I can count the exact opposite of what the actual Presidential Records Act actually says. He says almost daily that "The Presidential Records Act says that is my personal property!"


(Basically, it says, with very limited exceptions, that any piece of paper, Email, video or other media that POTUS touches or sees is government property)
Supreme Commander, Imperial Illuminati Air Force
:dog:

You don't have to consent, but I'm gonna tase you anyway.
chancery
Posts: 1310
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:24 pm
Verified:

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3816

Post by chancery »

Tristan Snell tweeted this:

https://twitter.com/TristanSnell/status ... 5560005634
Tristan Snell
@TristanSnell
Remember, there were TWO sets of security cam footage from Mar-a-Lago.

One that Trump Org produced to DOJ.

Another that the SECURITY VENDOR produced to DOJ.

And the two sets are DIFFERENT. Trump ALTERED the videos.

Obstruction of Justice. Open and shut.
Has any reliable source confirmed that the DOJ has obtained security videos that are different from the ones produced by Trump?

I share many political views with Snell, but he's an unreliable commentator on many legal issues, especially criminal law issues, and often subject to wishful thinking.*

________
* Following a clerkship and about six years working at law firms in civil litigation, Snell spent slightly less than 3 years as a New York State assistant attorney general, where he had major involvement in the civil enforcement action against Trump University. That was a credible piece of work, and he has a decent resume as a member of civil litigation teams, but it gives him no expertise in criminal law, especially high stakes white collar/security issues cases. So I don't trust his takes.
User avatar
RVInit
Posts: 3830
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 8:48 am

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3817

Post by RVInit »

Yes, I do believe he took documents with him to Bedminster. And I think there is suspicion by the Special Counsel that he took documents to other properties, and that is why he was able to get the judge to instruct the Trump team that they needed to have searches conducted at other properties. The Special Counsel was also able to interview individuals that were involved in the searches. I think the document in question for April 2021 was probably recovered, I remember there was some earlier reporting that among the documents was a document that detailed military capabilities and nuclear weapon status of some other country - I bet this is the document in question.
There's a lot of things that need to change. One specifically? Police brutality.
--Colin Kaepernick
User avatar
raison de arizona
Posts: 17654
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:21 am
Location: Nothing, Arizona
Occupation: bit twiddler
Verified: ✔️ he/him/his

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3818

Post by raison de arizona »

Dershowitz sez tfg didn’t obstruct.
Did Trump declassify documents? Criminal indictment of former president has no legitimate basis
By Alan Dershowitz and John P. Coale
:snippity:
The government is certainly aware of these difficulties, so it may be seeking to indict Mr. Trump on some process crime, such as obstruction of justice. But it will be difficult to establish that Mr. Trump crossed the line from vigorously and lawfully defending his conduct to engaging in criminal obstruction.

No citizen is required to cooperate in a Department of Justice criminal investigation, as President Biden and others have commendably done. Nor can he actively obstruct such an investigation by unlawful means. The government will have a hard time proving beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr. Trump willfully crossed this line.
:snippity:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... ndictment/
“Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.” —John Adams
User avatar
much ado
Posts: 1382
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:42 pm
Location: The Left Coast

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3820

Post by much ado »

I don't think Dersh has been paying attention.
User avatar
Maybenaut
Posts: 2579
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:07 am
Location: Maybelot
Verified: ✅✅

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3821

Post by Maybenaut »

raison de arizona wrote: Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:39 pm Dershowitz sez tfg didn’t obstruct.
Did Trump declassify documents? Criminal indictment of former president has no legitimate basis
By Alan Dershowitz and John P. Coale
:snippity:
The government is certainly aware of these difficulties, so it may be seeking to indict Mr. Trump on some process crime, such as obstruction of justice. But it will be difficult to establish that Mr. Trump crossed the line from vigorously and lawfully defending his conduct to engaging in criminal obstruction.

No citizen is required to cooperate in a Department of Justice criminal investigation, as President Biden and others have commendably done. Nor can he actively obstruct such an investigation by unlawful means. The government will have a hard time proving beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr. Trump willfully crossed this line.
:snippity:
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... ndictment/
I commented on this a few years ago, but it bears repeating. There are crimes that require completion of some act or omission (those are called “crimes”), and there are crimes that require completion of some act in furtherance of some other crime (those are called “inchoate crimes — attempt, conspiracy, and solicitation are examples).

There is no category of crimes called “process crimes”, no matter what wikipedia says about it. That’s some made-up construct intended to diminish the culpability of the offender.

Back when this came up, I did a Lexis search on the term “process crime.” There were seven hits, IIRC. In each case, the term was immediately followed by the word “scene.”
"Hey! We left this England place because it was bogus, and if we don't get some cool rules ourselves, pronto, we'll just be bogus too!" -- Thomas Jefferson
User avatar
Chilidog
Posts: 1926
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:36 pm

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3822

Post by Chilidog »

chancery wrote: Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:36 pm Tristan Snell tweeted this:

https://twitter.com/TristanSnell/status ... 5560005634
Tristan Snell
@TristanSnell
Remember, there were TWO sets of security cam footage from Mar-a-Lago.

One that Trump Org produced to DOJ.

Another that the SECURITY VENDOR produced to DOJ.

And the two sets are DIFFERENT. Trump ALTERED the videos.

Obstruction of Justice. Open and shut.
Has any reliable source confirmed that the DOJ has obtained security videos that are different from the ones produced by Trump?

I share many political views with Snell, but he's an unreliable commentator on many legal issues, especially criminal law issues, and often subject to wishful thinking.*

________
* Following a clerkship and about six years working at law firms in civil litigation, Snell spent slightly less than 3 years as a New York State assistant attorney general, where he had major involvement in the civil enforcement action against Trump University. That was a credible piece of work, and he has a decent resume as a member of civil litigation teams, but it gives him no expertise in criminal law, especially high stakes white collar/security issues cases. So I don't trust his takes.

Following up.

Where is the source that additional video evidence was obtained?

Edit to add:

Per Emty wheel, the NYY reported on the additional subpoena to the vendor

https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/05/05/d ... nce-video/
User avatar
Chilidog
Posts: 1926
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 4:36 pm

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3823

Post by Chilidog »

One thing that seems confirmed and obvious now, to me at least, is that it was Corcoran who dropped the dime and ratted out Trump for the false statement in response to the subpoena.
User avatar
Greatgrey
Posts: 893
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 9:53 am
Location: Unimatrix Zero
Verified: 💲8️⃣

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3824

Post by Greatgrey »

Jack Smith got his protective order. Trump can’t take the evidence. He CAN take notes, but his notes have to stay with his attorneys.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap ... 2.27.0.pdf
IMG_9293.jpeg
IMG_9293.jpeg (385.62 KiB) Viewed 1158 times
What's the Frequency, Kenneth?
User avatar
Volkonski
Posts: 11589
Joined: Mon Feb 22, 2021 11:06 am
Location: Texoma and North Fork of Long Island
Occupation: Retired mechanical engineer
Verified:

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

#3825

Post by Volkonski »

Somehow I can't imagine Trump taking legible meaningful notes. :nope:
“If everyone fought for their own convictions there would be no war.” ― Leo Tolstoy, War and Peace
Post Reply

Return to “The Big Lie & Aftermath of The Former Guy”