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northland10 wrote: Mon Feb 06, 2023 12:45 pm I'm not sure seeing Fitton at the DC Federal Courthouse means anything. His organization files various suits all of the time (including many FOIA cases). He could just be meeting up with one of the attorneys.

Then there are all of the GIL cases.
But there's little reason for Fitton Actual show up at court. It would be rare for Fitton's presence to be required. Or even useful.

If Fitton was pulling a Klayman, i.e., using the courthouse to tout something, Fitton would have been, well, touting.

But it appears Fitton was mum, which further suggests Fitton received a very special invitation (i.e., a subpoena) to appear.


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RVInit wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:23 pm The Jack podcast also reported this. It's likely he would bring Fitton in, didn't he figure heavily in the efforts to overturn the election?
"Heavily" is relative; yes, Fitton did jibber jabber about the 2020 election, but I don't recall how close he was to that inner circle in 2020-2021. (But closer than Klayman. :dance: )

Fitton, on the other hand, was heavily involved in the Mar-a-Lago documents affair, which also is part of Smith's portfolio. :popcorn:
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bob wrote: Tue Feb 07, 2023 2:44 pm :snippity:
Fitton, on the other hand, was heavily involved in the Mar-a-Lago documents affair, which also is part of Smith's portfolio. :popcorn:
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NEW: Jack Smith's team questioned Chad Wolf about where he was during the insurrection, his department's role before and after the election, election security infrastructure, and whether he took any direction from the trump campaign. 1/
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/09/politics ... index.html
Former national security adviser Robert O’Brien has been subpoenaed by special counsel Jack Smith in both his investigation into classified documents found at former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence and the probe related to efforts to overturn the 2020 election, according to a source familiar with the matter.

O’Brien has been asserting executive privilege in declining to provide some of the information that prosecutors are seeking from him, the source said.

CNN has reached out to O’Brien for comment.
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CNN reporting Pence has been subpoenaed.
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https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/mike-penc ... d=97018886

Mike Pence subpoenaed by special counsel overseeing Trump probes: Sources
It follows months of negotiations between prosecutors and Pence's legal team.
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The F.B.I. is searching Mike Pence's home after an aide recently found classified documents there, two people familiar with the matter said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/10/us/p ... 595e2e6e66
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I’d delight in the schadenfreude if squeaky clean Mikey turns out to be not-so-clean, after all. :dance:
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I don't think Pence is in any trouble at all. I believe it's been established that he's cooperating with the FBI doc searches. Thought it was clear that he, like Biden, had found docs that were marked classified that perhaps should not have been there (depending on what they are).

Doc handling. My favorite utterly boring topic.
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p0rtia wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 1:36 pm I don't think Pence is in any trouble at all. I believe it's been established that he's cooperating with the FBI doc searches. Thought it was clear that he, like Biden, had found docs that were marked classified that perhaps should not have been there (depending on what they are).

Doc handling. My favorite utterly boring topic.
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Mr. Pence’s aides have also emphasized cooperation.

Last month, Mr. Jacob disclosed that a “small number of documents” with classified markings had been “inadvertently boxed and transported” to Mr. Pence’s home in Indiana during the waning days of the Trump administration.

“Vice President Pence immediately secured those documents in a locked safe pending further direction on proper handling from the National Archives,” Mr. Jacob wrote.
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Honestly, at this point you know they're going to search Obama's house(s). They have to. Trump is sending a team of investigators to Hawaii and you won't believe what they'll find!
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There shirley must be a Bushism to match the situation :twisted:

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BREAKING: trump legal team is expected to challenge the Pence subpoena. Source
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Opinion: trump will ultimately lose, but this will delay the investigation.
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Isn't this between DoJ and Pence? How can a third party dive in?
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pipistrelle wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:25 pm Isn't this between DoJ and Pence? How can a third party dive in?
To claim executive privilege (presumably).

Generally speaking, third parties can seek to intervene to protect their rights.
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bob wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:37 pm
pipistrelle wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:25 pm Isn't this between DoJ and Pence? How can a third party dive in?
To claim executive privilege (presumably).

Generally speaking, third parties can seek to intervene to protect their rights.
Right, but what rights? The government wants their papers back. Literally none of that guy's concern.

I'm thinking you can't claim executive privilege when you're not the executive. :think:
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pipistrelle wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:26 pmRight, but what rights? The government wants their papers back. Literally none of that guy's concern.
There are two separate issues.

Can third parties stick their noses into subpoenas not directed at them? Yes.

Will this particular nose be successful at quashing a subpoena? Most likely no.

Like MSW, err, wrote: the intent is likely just delay.
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Vexatious litigant on the move again. I wonder if the "expected to" part means the lawyers aren't gonna file until they get paid up front.
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https://www.cnn.com/2023/02/11/politics ... index.html
Trump attorney Christina Bobb appeared before a federal grand jury in Washington, DC, in recent weeks in connection with the investigation into former President Donald Trump’s handling of classified documents, two sources have told CNN.

Bobb’s appearance marks the second Trump lawyer involved with Trump’s handling of government documents to meet with the grand jury recently. CNN reported that Trump attorney Evan Corcoran appeared before the grand jury last month.

The Wall Street Journal first reported Bobb’s appearance.

The disclosure of the testimony by the Trump lawyers comes amid a steady drip of recent moves by special counsel Jack Smith to obtain grand jury testimony from very close contacts of the former president, in many cases about what Trump was told and what he said at the end of his presidency and afterward.
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pipistrelle wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:26 pm
bob wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:37 pm
pipistrelle wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:25 pm Isn't this between DoJ and Pence? How can a third party dive in?
To claim executive privilege (presumably).

Generally speaking, third parties can seek to intervene to protect their rights.
Right, but what rights? The government wants their papers back. Literally none of that guy's concern.

I'm thinking you can't claim executive privilege when you're not the executive. :think:
I don't think they're talking about intervening with the documents, but with the subpoena for Mike to testify about Jan 6 and what Trump said to him. pence, if he's truthful, could really hurt trump
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Kriselda Gray wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 7:49 pm
pipistrelle wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 10:26 pm
bob wrote: Fri Feb 10, 2023 8:37 pm
To claim executive privilege (presumably).

Generally speaking, third parties can seek to intervene to protect their rights.
Right, but what rights? The government wants their papers back. Literally none of that guy's concern.

I'm thinking you can't claim executive privilege when you're not the executive. :think:
I don't think they're talking about intervening with the documents, but with the subpoena for Mike to testify about Jan 6 and what Trump said to him. pence, if he's truthful, could really hurt trump
Trump hurt Trump (not to mention the country).
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pipistrelle wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 8:17 pm
Kriselda Gray wrote: Sat Feb 11, 2023 7:49 pm I don't think they're talking about intervening with the documents, but with the subpoena for Mike to testify about Jan 6 and what Trump said to him. pence, if he's truthful, could really hurt trump
Trump hurt Trump (not to mention the country).
Well, yes, but I meant pence could hurt trump in a criminal case IF we ever get that far. The fact that they're subpoenaing pence gives me a tiny little glimmer of a flicker of a smattering of something like hope, but I'm still not gonna make any bets on it happening.
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BREAKING: Jack smith IS asking witnesses about the briefing trump and meadows received from the research firm he hired to find voter fraud, and Smith DID NOT ASK GARLAND FOR PERMISSION to subpoena Pence.
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Pence to fight subpoena from special counsel

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Tue, February 14, 2023 at 1:32 PM GMT+1

Former Vice President Mike Pence is expected to resist a subpoena for testimony as part of a Justice Department special counsel’s investigation into former President Trump’s efforts to overturn the 2020 election, a source familiar with Pence’s plans confirmed to The Hill.

Pence is preparing to fight a subpoena from Jack Smith, the special counsel assigned by Attorney General Merrick Garland to oversee investigations into Trump, including one focused on the events of Jan. 6, 2021, and Trump’s efforts to remain in power.

Pence and his team say that serving as the former president of the Senate essentially makes him a member of the legislative branch and he would therefore be shielded from the subpoena under the “speech and debate” clause of the Constitution.




https://www.yahoo.com/news/pence-fight- ... 28320.html
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