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RTH10260 wrote: Wed Jan 18, 2023 10:17 pm
Illinois Governor Pritzker Blasts Sheriffs for Refusing to Enforce New Gun-Control Law
Many sheriffs have vowed to defy the law, calling it a gross abuse of power.
You know what's a gross abuse of power? When a state's legislature and the governor, voted in by local and statewide constituencies, have implemented a law and you, petty county sheriff, decide you don't want to enforce it. So much for your so-called oath.

I'm beginning to think there's an awful lot of corrupt county sheriffs out there, maybe profiting from meth, etc.
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/supre ... r-AA16urYb?
Supreme Court rejects request from New York gun dealers to block new law

The Supreme Court on Wednesday refused a request from a group of firearms dealers in New York seeking to halt parts of the state's new laws regulating commercial gun sales. [Gazzola v. Hochul]

In a one-line, unsigned order, the court denied the emergency request for an injunction filed on behalf of licensed firearms dealers who sought the Supreme Court's intervention to "keep their doors open, while fighting to restore their civil rights through this lawsuit."

The Supreme Court's order comes days after it rejected a separate request from six New York gun owners to block the state's new firearms law, which was enacted in the wake of a major Second Amendment decision this summer. That law, the Concealed Carry Improvement Act, imposed new restrictions on carrying guns in public, and the court's order allowed it to remain in place while legal proceedings continue.

Among the laws targeted by the gun sellers were requirements that firearm dealers secure guns in a safe or locked area and have security systems installed on their premises; prohibit people under 18 from entering gun retail stores without a parent or guardian; and provide records of gun sales to government law enforcement agencies and manufacturers upon request.

They also challenged laws regarding the purchase of guns and ammunition, including a licensing requirement for semiautomatic rifles; requiring background checks for ammunition sales and directing New York State Police to establish a database for such sales; and requiring gun dealers to maintain records of ammunition sales.

The regulations took effect in September and December, and the firearms dealers told the court they are unable to comply with "most" of the new laws.

The gun dealers brought their case in early November in federal district court, arguing the firearms laws violate their Second Amendment rights, are preempted by federal law and are unconstitutionally burdensome. A U.S. district court judge denied their request to block the laws. After appealing to U.S. Court of Appeals for the 2nd Circuit, a three-judge panel also declined to halt enforcement of the law pending appeal.

Proceedings before the 2nd Circuit are ongoing.

In their request to the Supreme Court, the firearms sellers said they have been "fighting in courts for nearly two straight months to try to find a judge" to grant their request for injunctive relief, and have been out of compliance with the new laws since Dec. 5, putting the future of their gun stores at risk.

"Petitioners are risking everything to try to stay in business in support of civil rights under the Second, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendments, and to keep the doors open and the lights on while they pursue this case, but we can't seem to find a judge in district or circuit court who will back them up. Petitioners are thus before you now," a lawyer for the gun sellers wrote.

But New York officials, led by Attorney General Letitia James and Solicitor General Barbara Underwood, urged the Supreme Court to turn down the request, as the court fight involves laws concerning the commercial sale of firearms, most of which were enacted before its June 23 decision in New York State Rifle and Pistol Association v. Bruen.

"This case does not involve any significant Second Amendment issue left open by Bruen that would warrant this court's review," James and Underwood told the court in a filing.

Blocking the measures, specifically recordkeeping, security and training requirements, would cause confusion for county-level administrators and dealers who have been preparing to comply with the laws since they were passed in June and "put the public at risk," she said.

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Law and order. Except for the laws we don’t like.
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-21/ ... /101876102

Almost 18,000 firearms and weapons have been surrendered during the first year of a permanent national amnesty, but authorities remain unsure about just how many rifles, shotguns and handguns remain in the community.

Key points:

The government has released the results from the first year of its permanent gun amnesty
Thousands of weapons were surrendered, including fully automatic firearms, crossbows and a flamethrower
Nearly half of people who surrendered a weapon said they simply no longer wanted it
The amnesty was set up in mid-2021, to complement existing state and territory schemes — and followed amnesties announced after the Port Arthur massacre in 1996, and a three-month program in 2017.

The program's annual report, released today, revealed 17,543 firearms and weapons were surrendered from July 1, 2021, through to June 30, 2022, along with 606 firearms parts and accessories.

New South Wales recorded the largest haul, with 6,704 weapons and firearms surrendered. And 2,352 were destroyed as a result of being surrendered.

Across the country, more than 8,000 rifles and almost 3,000 shotguns were surrendered, while almost 2 tonnes of ammunition were collected in the ACT, New South Wales and Tasmania.

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Court blocks New Jersey law that allows state to sue gun industry

Tue, January 31, 2023 at 7:57 PM GMT+1
By Brendan Pierson

(Reuters) - A federal judge on Tuesday blocked a New Jersey law authorizing the state's attorney general to sue gun manufacturers and sellers for endangering public safety, finding it ran afoul of a federal law protecting the gun industry from such claims.

The preliminary order by U.S. District Judge Zahid Quraishi in Trenton, New Jersey, means the law cannot be enforced while the judge considers a legal challenge by the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), a gun industry group. It comes a day after a different judge struck down parts of a separate gun control measure in the state.

"NSSF wholeheartedly welcomes this decision," said Mark Oliva, a spokesperson for the group.

A spokesperson for New Jersey Governor Phil Murphy said the governor was disappointed and confident the order would be reversed on appeal.

The now-blocked law, passed last June in the wake of a U.S. Supreme Court ruling expanding gun rights, allows the state attorney general to bring lawsuits accusing gun manufactures and sellers of creating a "public nuisance" that endangers health and safety - for example, through dangerous marketing or failing to prevent illegal trafficking.

Quraishi found that it was in "direct conflict" with the federal Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act of 2005 (PLCAA), which shields gun makers and sellers from being sued over crimes committed with guns they legally sold.




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Judge blocks sale of machine gun converters after U.S. sues

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The U.S. Department of Justice said it has obtained a court order blocking two firearms companies from imperiling public safety by illegally selling devices to convert AR-15 style rifles into machine guns.

U.S. District Judge Nina Morrison in Brooklyn on Wednesday issued a temporary restraining order against Rare Breed Triggers LLC and Rare Breed Firearms LLC, and their owners Lawrence DeMonico and Kevin Maxwell.

The Justice Department in a civil complaint said Rare Breed has sold thousands of devices known as FRT-15s that are designed and intended to convert AR-15 style semiautomatic firearms into machine guns.

The department said this meant the devices qualified as machine guns under federal law, and said the devices did not qualify for limited exceptions permitting their sale.

It also objected to Rare Breed's sale of Wide Open Triggers, an FRT-15 copy also designed to fit AR-15 style rifles, and said Rare Breed did not comply with Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) demands to stop selling both products.
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A West Australian farmer who survived childhood sexual abuse fears that planned mental health checks for gun owners will worsen the stigma around seeking mental health support in rural areas.

Key points:
The man, who gets help for his depression, says some people may not get the help they need if they fear they will lose their guns
The WA government wants to tighten gun laws to reduce suicide and domestic violence rates
Police Minister Paul Papalia says "the system" will try to help those living with mental illness
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The state government revealed it was looking at cracking down on gun owners by introducing mandatory and ongoing mental health checks.

Police Minister Paul Papalia said 20 people died from gunshot wounds in WA last year and mental health issues were involved in half of those deaths.

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https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-07/ ... /101938136

Me: FFS - if you fear losing your access to fire arms more than you fear using them on yourself or others - then you probably shouldn't have them!

from the above article from a psychologist -
"The major issues are to identify whether the person is at risk of using the firearm against themselves for suicide or other purposes of self-harm, the risk of the person using a firearm against others, and the ability of the person to maintain proper control of the firearm."
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background to the above

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-02-05/ ... /101923596

Anyone buying a gun in Western Australia will have to undergo mandatory and ongoing mental health checks, as part of a complete overhaul of the state's 50-year-old firearms legislation.

Key points:
WA is set to have some of the toughest firearms laws in Australia
Health practitioners will assess suitability to hold a gun licence
But WA Police will make the final decision on all applications

The changes are designed to create some of the toughest gun laws in the country.

They are occurring separately to any potential national gun register and will make WA the first state or territory requiring specific, legislated and recurring mental health checks for gun owners.

Twenty people died from gunshot wounds in the state last year, and Police Minister Paul Papalia said mental health issues were involved in at least half of those deaths.

He hoped the changes would help reduce murders, gun-related family and domestic violence, attacks on police and suicides
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20 firearm deaths (all causes) in 2022 -
Western Australia 2021 census -
People 2,660,026
that is -
0.75187235 per 100,000 people

in comparison

US - 2019 data
firearm deaths (all causes) - 11.3 per 100,000 people
According to the IHME data, 7.1 out of 100,000 Americans died by firearm-assisted suicide in 2019.
The American fatality rate for interpersonal gun violence was 4.0 per 100,000 people, and
the rate of unintentional death by firearm was 0.2 per 100,000.
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Lawyer dies after his hidden gun goes off during MRI scan

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A lawyer was accidentally shot by his own gun after he failed to remove it before going into hospital MRI scanning room.

Leandro Mathias de Novaes took his mother for a scan at Laboratorio Cura in São Paulo, Brazil, on 16 January, Jam Press reports.

The 40-year-old is said to have failed to tell hospital workers that he had a gun on him after being told to remove all metal objects before entering the scanning room.

The magnetic field from the MRI scanner pulled the pro-gun lawyer’s weapon was pulled from his waistband and went off, shooting him in the tummy.

He passed away on 6 February after battling for his life in at the São Luiz Morumbi Hospital.

As well as working as a lawyer, the victim also shared pro-gun content for his 12,000 followers on TikTok and Instagram.
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Darwin Award granted. :twisted:
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Missouri lawmakers vote against banning children from carrying guns in public

Julia Shapero
Thu, February 9, 2023 at 8:54 PM GMT+1

Missouri state lawmakers voted down a proposal on Wednesday to ban children from carrying guns in public.

The amendment to a public safety bill, brought to the floor by Democratic state Rep. Donna Baringer from St. Louis, was defeated 104-39.

The provision was originally part of House Bill 301, a public safety bill developed by a bipartisan working group on crime. Baringer served as a member of the working group.

However, when the legislation came before the larger Crime Prevention and Public Safety Committee, the provision barring children from publicly carrying guns was removed.




https://www.yahoo.com/news/missouri-law ... 58463.html
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You can't take away a kid's right to participate in a school shooting.

That would just be un-American.
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Well said, Gregg. :mrgreen:
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It makes me so angry. :mad: When is enough enough? Ever?
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Turmoil in courts on gun laws in wake of justices’ ruling

https://apnews.com/article/politics-mis ... ec0d80a966
A landmark U.S. Supreme Court decision on the Second Amendment is upending gun laws across the country, dividing judges and sowing confusion over what firearm restrictions can remain on the books.

The high court’s ruling that set new standards for evaluating gun laws left open many questions, experts say, resulting in an increasing number of conflicting decisions as lower court judges struggle to figure out how to apply it.

The Supreme Court’s so-called Bruen decision changed the test that lower courts had long used for evaluating challenges to firearm restrictions. Judges should no longer consider whether the law serves public interests like enhancing public safety, the justices said.

Under the Supreme Court’s new test, the government that wants to uphold a gun restriction must look back into history to show it is consistent with the country’s “historical tradition of firearm regulation.”

Courts in recent months have declared unconstitutional federal laws designed to keep guns out of the hands of domestic abusers,felony defendants and people who use marijuana. Judges have shot down a federal ban on possessing guns with serial numbers removed and gun restrictions for young adults in Texas and have blocked the enforcement of Delaware’s ban on the possession of homemade “ghost guns.”
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How long until the rule "felons cannot possess fire arms" gets killed by the courts?
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Set them up and SCOTUS will shoot ‘Em down!

The state cannot legislate against The Dread Death God GUNNE!!!!
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"The right to keep and bear small tactical nuclear weapons shall not be infringed"
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Because the founding fathers never said otherwise. :mad:
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Bugger small..,

I want a planet breaker for when some kid walks on my lawn and I need to show the world just how intolerant I can be!
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Gregg wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:09 am
:flame:

Fun fact: You can legally own a flame thrower, no paperwork required... :shrug:
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Frater I*I wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:12 am
Gregg wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:09 am
:flame:
Fun fact: You can legally own a flame thrower, no paperwork required... :shrug:
Can you use it legally?
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So, how come you know that, Frater? Asking for a friend....
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Frater I*I wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:12 am
Gregg wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:09 am
:flame:

Fun fact: You can legally own a flame thrower, no paperwork required... :shrug:
When you go to play with your militia friends, do you first pour the concrete pillbox you intennd to take out, or do you only use it to lite the campfire and give the bbq steaks the extra roasty taste :?:

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pipistrelle wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:14 am :snippity:
Can you use it legally?
Yes, mind you that murder, arson, assault with a deadly weapon, ect are still crimes, but say someone breaks into your house you can roast them to a crisp and be in the clear...
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