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sugar magnolia wrote: Sun Nov 20, 2022 9:57 am
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What does this show?
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pipistrelle wrote: Fri Nov 11, 2022 8:43 am It looks to me like Maine, Rhode Island, and Delaware may be the only states untouched by abnormally dry or drought conditions.

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Public announcement from the DOJ
United States Files Complaint and Reaches Agreement on Proposal with City of Jackson and State of Mississippi on Interim Solution to the Jackson Water Crisis


Today, the United States filed a proposal in federal court that — if approved by the court — would appoint an Interim Third Party Manager to stabilize the city of Jackson, Mississippi’s public drinking water system, and build confidence in the system’s ability to supply safe drinking water to the system’s customers. The city and the Mississippi State Department of Health (MSDH) have signed this order and agreed to its terms. At the same time, the Justice Department, on behalf of U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), filed a complaint against the city alleging that the city has failed to provide drinking water that is reliably compliant with the Safe Drinking Water Act (SDWA) to the system’s customers. 

The proposal, which was called a “proposed stipulated order” in court filings, is meant to serve as an interim measure while the United States, the city, and MSDH attempt to negotiate a judicially enforceable consent decree to achieve long-term sustainability of the system and the city’s compliance with the SDWA and other relevant laws.  

“Today the Justice Department is taking action in federal court to address long-standing failures in the city of Jackson’s public drinking water system,” said Attorney General Merrick B. Garland. “The Department of Justice takes seriously its responsibility to keep the American people safe and to protect their civil rights. Together with our partners at EPA, we will continue to seek justice for the residents of Jackson, Mississippi. And we will continue to prioritize cases in the communities most burdened by environmental harm.”

“Over the past year, I’ve had the privilege to spend time with people on the ground in Jackson – many who’ve struggled with access to safe and reliable water for years," said EPA Administrator Michael S. Regan. “I pledged that EPA would do everything in its power to ensure the people of Jackson have clean and dependable water, now and into the future. While there is much more work ahead, the Justice Department’s action marks a critical moment on the path to securing clean, safe water for Jackson residents. I’m grateful to the Attorney General for his partnership and commitment to this shared vision.”

“Every American — regardless of where they live, their income, or the color of their skin — deserves access to safe, reliable drinking water,” said Assistant Attorney General Todd Kim of the Justice Department’s Environment and Natural Resources Division. “For many years now, the people of Jackson have lived in uncertainty — uncertainty about whether, on any given day, the water that flows from their taps will be safe to drink. With our court filings today, we have taken an important step towards finally giving the people of Jackson the relief they so desperately deserve.”

“It is vital that providers of drinking water comply with federal and state laws designed to ensure the safety of the water,” said U.S. Attorney Darren J. LaMarca for the Southern District of Mississippi. “Through this litigation, we will act to ensure that the city of Jackson’s water system will be compliant with the Safe Drinking Water Act and other state and local regulations so that those serviced by the system can have confidence that the water they are consuming is safe. The proposed agreed interim order is a critical first step.” 

The proposal seeks the court’s appointment of an Interim Third Party Manager that would have the authority to, among other things:
  • Operate and maintain the city’s public drinking water system in compliance with SDWA, the Mississippi Safe Drinking Water Act, and related regulations;
  • Take charge of the Water Sewer Business Administration, the arm of the city responsible for billing water users;
  • Implement capital improvements to the city’s public drinking water system, in particular, a set of priority projects meant to improve the system’s near-term stability, including a winterization project meant to make the system less vulnerable to winter storms; and
  • Correct conditions within the city’s public drinking water system that present, or may present, an imminent and substantial endangerment to the health of the city’s residents. 
This court filing marks the latest efforts to address Jackson’s drinking water crisis, but there is much work still to be done to solve the myriad problems plaguing Jackson’s public drinking water system. On July 29, MSDH issued a boil-water notice for Jackson’s public drinking water system. The next month, the city proclaimed an emergency after excessive rainfall and extreme flooding prevented the system from delivering any water to the approximately 160,000 persons living within the city and in certain areas of nearby Hinds County who rely on the system. That meant that many of those residents had no running water to drink, or to use for basic hygiene and safety purposes like washing hands, showering, flushing toilets, fighting fires, or washing dishes. The water pressure was not restored until Sept. 6, and the boil-water notice remained in effect until Sept. 15.

Learn more information about EPA’s efforts in Jackson to date here.

Members of the public can help protect our environment by identifying and reporting environmental violations. Learn more here.
I've included the whole article since it's a public announcement.


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We're dancing in the streets at the thought of someone other than the City running the billing dept. Since the Seimans debacle we could never predict our water bills from one month to the next. We might get a $20 bill, we might get an $8,000 bill. They have been "est" bills for about 4 years now, and even going down to the water dept office didn't help. They couldn't pull up the records or the records showed nothing due or several thousand due. It was a complete and total goat circus with balloons They only worked 3 hours a day 4 days a week for almost a year because they had no a/c, heat and..... WATER... at the offices.

We have also been under boil water notices in the last 6 months more often than not, and at one point went 9 weeks without drinkable water. The Nation Guard was trucking it in by the pallet and we were getting non-potable water from the fire trucks.


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LOBBYIST FOR SAUDI ALFALFA COMPANY DESICCATING ARIZONA WAS ELECTED TO MARICOPA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
Thomas Galvin lobbied on behalf of a Saudi company soaking up Arizona’s groundwater. He is now mediating an ongoing water dispute in neighboring Maricopa County.

AN OFFICIAL RECENTLY elected to the Maricopa County Board of Supervisors, where he holds sway over an ongoing water dispute, was also a lobbyist for a Saudi company looking to protect its extraction of precious groundwater. Thomas Galvin, elected in the midterms to the post he was first appointed to in 2021, lobbied on behalf of the Saudi-owned farming company, which is using Arizona’s most depleted natural resource for foreign exports.

State lobbying disclosures show that Galvin is a partner at Rose Law Group, which lobbied on behalf of a subsidiary of the Saudi corporation Almarai currently tapping U.S. groundwater in drought-stricken Arizona and California to grow alfalfa. The animal feed, which is grown in harsh desert environments, is shipped overseas to support livestock on Saudi dairy farms. In 2014, Almarai bought almost 10,000 acres of farmland in Vicksburg, Arizona, through its wholly owned subsidiary Fondomonte, spending nearly $50 million on the purchase. The near-nonexistent water regulations in La Paz County, where Vicksburg is located, mean that Fondomonte can pump vast amounts of water out of Arizona’s water table, which has declined by over 50 feet in the past two decades.
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America First, amiright?


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Drought not letting up much.

https://droughtmonitor.unl.edu
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raison de arizona wrote: Fri Dec 02, 2022 10:30 pm
LOBBYIST FOR SAUDI ALFALFA COMPANY DESICCATING ARIZONA WAS ELECTED TO MARICOPA COUNTY BOARD OF SUPERVISORS
Thomas Galvin lobbied on behalf of a Saudi company soaking up Arizona’s groundwater. He is now mediating an ongoing water dispute in neighboring Maricopa County.
And AZ is worried about it's southern border without realizing they are being eviscerated.


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Not much change from last week.
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We're supposed to be getting a pair of storms across the northern 2/3 of California over the weekend. Another series of storms is supposed to be hitting the state mid week too in the northern half.

But even if we have a 125%-of-average winter for snowfall (higher elevations) and rain everywhere else, we're still locked in a drought. And if the past few years is now the norm, 90-degree temperatures in June at 8,000 feet melts that snow pretty quickly so that there is nothing around by August.


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Related but not related.

Down here in SW Florida, we have water problems -- not on supply, but from demand as they keep building quickly so many communities and our local infrastructure for this was not built in to handle. Water pressure at the faucet and showers is low, and it has been this way for a year. Maybe 60-70% of full pressure.

I tell ya, Florida counties must not have any P&Z committees (planning and zoning). They let developers build anywhere and the city/county have to figure it out later. (normally by taxing me to fix their own obtuseness)


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The Dead Sea is dying. These beautiful, ominous photos show the impact

https://www.npr.org/sections/picturesho ... mpaign=npr
But today the Dead Sea is dying, and its banks are collapsing. The water level is dropping close to 4 feet every year. The main part of the lake is now around 950 feet deep — about 15% shallower, and a third of the surface area, compared to its shape half a century ago.

"You've seen a living disaster in front of your eyes," says Jake Ben Zaken, an Israeli who says he operates the only passenger boats on the Dead Sea.

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It's a human-made problem, say environmental researchers and officials. In a region where water is scarce, Israel, Jordan and Syria in the last several decades have diverted the freshwater sources that feed the Dead Sea, for drinking water and irrigation. Plus, Israeli and Jordanian companies evaporate Dead Sea water to harvest its rich minerals for export. The part of the lake dotted with Israeli hotel resorts, a popular spot for tourists to float in Dead Sea water and lather the lake's mineral-rich mud on their skin, is actually an artificial evaporation pool in the lake's southern basin.

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As the lake dries up, salt deposits dissolve underground, and cavities along the shore open up into sinkholes — large craters in the earth.
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:crying:


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Australia, on the other hand, isn't getting any drier.

The Bureau Of Meteorology is predicting another month of winter weather in Melbourne. Which means rain.


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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/20 ... ge-amunas/
SAN PEDRO DE CASTA, Peru — On a mountainside high above Peru’s capital, Javier Obispo pauses from the backbreaking work of renovating an amuna. The abandoned irrigation dike distributed water before Europeans came to South America.

With Lima’s water supply under increasing pressure, the 42-year-old veterinary technician has been working with other villagers here to bring the ancient technology back to life. The steep Andean slopes, dotted with small cactuses wielding outsize thorns, tower around us, a parched shade of light brown. Climate change is making itself felt.

“Twenty years ago, the soil would be damp. There used to be waterfalls,” says Obispo, gesturing at a dusty bluff above. “Now, there just isn’t enough pasture anymore. What’s it going to be like in 2030?”


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LAS VEGAS -- Living with less water in the U.S. Southwest is the focus this week for state and federal water administrators, tribal officials, farmers, academics and business representatives meeting about the drought-stricken and overpromised Colorado River.

The Colorado River Water Users Association conference, normally a largely academic three-day affair, comes at a time of growing concern about the river's future after more than two decades of record drought attributed to climate change.

“The Colorado River system is in a very dire condition,” Dan Bunk, a U.S. Bureau of Reclamation water manager, declared during internet presentations streamed Nov. 29 and Dec. 2 that invited public comment about possible actions.

“Flows during the past 23-year period … are the lowest in the past 120 years and (among) the lowest in more than 1,200 years,” Bunk told the webinar audience. The deadline for public submissions is Dec. 20 for a process expected to yield a final report by summer.


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Worst area of California slightly smaller. Not much improvement, even in areas where this is usually a wetter season. i'd worry less about immigration and more about water.


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https://www.msn.com/en-us/weather/topst ... smsnnews11
New 'SWOT' satellite will track the movement of all of Earth's surface water

A new satellite called Surface Water and Ocean Topography (SWOT) is scheduled to launch early Thursday morning, sending our ability to track and predict our planet's water supply to new heights.

SWOT was developed by scientists with NASA and the French Space Agency. Special technology on board will allow it to precisely track things like sea level rise, streamflow through mountainous terrain and shifts in reservoir storage.

Other satellites currently gather similar data, but SWOT is unique because it will be able to "see" the water's height day or night, clear skies or cloudy. This gives scientists an unobstructed view of what's going on below.

"I like using the metaphor of when we go to the doctor and we take a pulse, of the blood flowing through your vein, will be doing the same thing, but with Earth's arteries," David said.


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Very interesting.


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Previous:
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Maybe Arizona and Texas governors should be concerned about long-term drought.


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At some point we will honestly call this thread, The Water Wars because they are coming.


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We're supposed to be getting the first of an long series of Pineapple Express storms coming into the Valley and across the Sierra Nevada starting early Tuesday morning. The forecasts are showing anywhere from a 40% chance of rain to nearly 100% chance of rain over the ensuing ten days. Of course, we've seen this before only to have the storms peter out or get diverted about 250 miles to the north.

It is not clear at this juncture how warm the rain will be and how much arctic air is lingering in our "higher elevations." Still too early to tell what the snow level will be. Crossing fingers that it is at least 5,000 feet.


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From the Can’t Catch a Break Department…
Boil water order issued in Mississippi capital amid freeze

City officials in Jackson, Mississippi, on Christmas Day announced that residents must now boil their drinking water due to water lines bursting in the frigid temperatures.

“Please check your businesses and churches for leaks and broken pipes, as these add up tremendously and only worsen the problem,” the city said in a statement, adding: “We understand the timing is terrible.”

The problems come months after the water system in Jackson — the state capital with about 150,000 residents — partially collapsed. Most of Jackson lost running water for several days in late August after flooding exacerbated longstanding problems in one of two water treatment plants. Residents had to wait in lines for water to drink, cook, bathe and flush toilets.

Along with the order to boil drinking water, city officials said some residents also have reported low water pressure or no water pressure. The city’s water system saw “fluctuating” pressure beginning on Saturday amid frigid temperatures.
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Patagoniagirl wrote: Sun Dec 25, 2022 1:01 pm At some point we will honestly call this thread, The Water Wars because they are coming.
The Resource Wars....where the MAGAites waste potable water because it owns the libs.... :bored:


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Patagoniagirl wrote: Sun Dec 25, 2022 1:01 pm At some point we will honestly call this thread, The Water Wars because they are coming.
They have simmered in California for some time.

The Water War That Polarized 1920s California


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