Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard

[Greatgrey]

Maybe. The trouble is, amicus briefs aren't usually a thing for trial court proceedings.

My HOA is being sued by the Alaska Railroad in AK US District Court, they’re claiming land given as homestead in 1950 is actually theirs.

There are piles of amicus briefs from others impacted, utilities & and the city.

[Slarti the White]

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Leo Denofrio, provided he’s not gambling at the moment

Or busy with his duties as the Paraclete.

I always dreamed of running into Leo at the poker table (I had numerous exchanges with him back in the day). Last I knew he had made a video about the moon landings being faked -- it turns out his comprehension of physics wasn't any better than his comprehension of Constitutional law...

[fierceredpanda]

I'm trying to persuade my supervisor at the PD's office that we need to file motions to appoint a special master in all our search warrant cases.

(And yes. I'm back. Miss me? It's been a crazy year. Fill y'all in on the details later. )

[MN-Skeptic]

I subscribe to both the New York Times and the Washington Post. I typically share a gift link within a Fogbow hidden tag.

[sugar magnolia]

I'm trying to persuade my supervisor at the PD's office that we need to file motions to appoint a special master in all our search warrant cases.

(And yes. I'm back. Miss me? It's been a crazy year. Fill y'all in on the details later. )

When this all came up I wondered if people would start filing for special masters willy nilly. Can't wait until the guys in prison get wind of this. They have nothing better to do than file stuff.

And glad to see you back!

[Luke]

Grrrrrrreat seeing you, Panda! Your knowledge and insight are awesome. Looking forward to seeing your posts!

[MN-Skeptic]

How can the U.S. government NOT be issuing search warrants for every single residence of Trump's right now? You know damned well that is we don't remove any government documents as soon as possible, our enemies will have swooped in and stolen them!

[Maybenaut]

I'm trying to persuade my supervisor at the PD's office that we need to file motions to appoint a special master in all our search warrant cases.

(And yes. I'm back. Miss me? It's been a crazy year. Fill y'all in on the details later. )

FRP!

[Kriselda Gray]

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[Kriselda Gray]

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WB!

[June bug]

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Same here.

[June bug]

I'm trying to persuade my supervisor at the PD's office that we need to file motions to appoint a special master in all our search warrant cases.

(And yes. I'm back. Miss me? It's been a crazy year. Fill y'all in on the details later. )

So glad to hear from you again, FRP!!

[fierceredpanda]

How can the U.S. government NOT be issuing search warrants for every single residence of Trump's right now? You know damned well that is we don't remove any government documents as soon as possible, our enemies will have swooped in and stolen them!

I can answer this. Because there's a fairly large gap (legally) between "we all know it's true" and "probable cause to believe X crime has been committed and Y evidence of said crime will be found at Z location." It's very obvious that the government had multiple human sources of information pertaining to what would be found at Mar-a-Lago. If they had similar information from credible human sources pertaining to Trump's other properties, there isn't any question those locales would have been searched by now. They haven't, ergo we can deduce the government doesn't have sufficient credible information to indicate documents can be found at those properties.

Also, remember how Trump works. Bannon's motto is "flood the zone with shit," and Trump works the same way. The government is essentially treating this as a counterintelligence operation as well as a criminal investigation, and counterintelligence types - like, for instance, Jay Bratt - are always worried about disinformation. Recall how much Trump loves crowing about the FBI's (relatively minor, but very consequential) screw-ups in the Russia-Mueller investigation. The Peter Strzok/Lisa Page affair and the botched Carter Page FISA application (it really was mind-boggling how they screwed that pooch, given that even a layperson like me looks at Page and his dealings and thinks "yeah, that guy's in the employ of Russian intelligence") have given him endless ammo to discredit the FBI with his followers. Just how hard do you think it would be for Trump to put up a phony informant to feed plausible bullshit to the FBI about more classified documents, say, in Ivana Trump's casket? Then the FBI goes and digs up the casket, finds nothing, and Trump makes political hay out of it for the rest of time. They had enough info on Mar-a-Lago to write up a 40 page affidavit. I'm sure they're getting lots more information every day, but if I were running the investigation I would want to make sure absolutely every i was dotted and t was crossed before moving, and that's without taking into consideration things like lawless Trump-friendly judges deciding to affirmatively misstate the law in service to their benefactor.

[SuzieC]

And to the coming cries of "who leaked this to the liberal MSM?" I say the answer should be "It wouldn't have been leaked had it not been in the pool shed at Mar A Lago in the first place."

And you know it's coming...

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I have script.

[chancery]

Maybe. The trouble is, amicus briefs aren't usually a thing for trial court proceedings.

My HOA is being sued by the Alaska Railroad in AK US District Court, they’re claiming land given as homestead in 1950 is actually theirs.

There are piles of amicus briefs from others impacted, utilities & and the city.

Yeah, well, that's a completely different situation, since the others impacted obviously have a personal stake, which is not the case with the former prosecutors. The other landowners might have a basis for intervening, except that it would be more wieldy for them to participate as amici instead of as parties.

But it's up to the district judge's discretion, and many judges don't like it, because it's susceptible to abuse (supposedly independent amici are frequently in fact in league with one of the parties), and because it can multiply the court's workload without doing much more than regurgitating the arguments of the parties.

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If it's not an intrusion on your privacy, I'd be interested in checking out the docket of your HOA's case.

[June bug]

How can the U.S. government NOT be issuing search warrants for every single residence of Trump's right now? You know damned well that is we don't remove any government documents as soon as possible, our enemies will have swooped in and stolen them!

I can answer this. Because there's a fairly large gap (legally) between "we all know it's true" and "probable cause to believe X crime has been committed and Y evidence of said crime will be found at Z location." It's very obvious that the government had multiple human sources of information pertaining to what would be found at Mar-a-Lago. If they had similar information from credible human sources pertaining to Trump's other properties, there isn't any question those locales would have been searched by now. They haven't, ergo we can deduce the government doesn't have sufficient credible information to indicate documents can be found at those properties.

Also, remember how Trump works. Bannon's motto is "flood the zone with shit," and Trump works the same way. The government is essentially treating this as a counterintelligence operation as well as a criminal investigation, and counterintelligence types - like, for instance, Jay Bratt - are always worried about disinformation. Recall how much Trump loves crowing about the FBI's (relatively minor, but very consequential) screw-ups in the Russia-Mueller investigation. The Peter Strzok/Lisa Page affair and the botched Carter Page FISA application (it really was mind-boggling how they screwed that pooch, given that even a layperson like me looks at Page and his dealings and thinks "yeah, that guy's in the employ of Russian intelligence") have given him endless ammo to discredit the FBI with his followers. Just how hard do you think it would be for Trump to put up a phony informant to feed plausible bullshit to the FBI about more classified documents, say, in Ivana Trump's casket? Then the FBI goes and digs up the casket, finds nothing, and Trump makes political hay out of it for the rest of time. They had enough info on Mar-a-Lago to write up a 40 page affidavit. I'm sure they're getting lots more information every day, but if I were running the investigation I would want to make sure absolutely every i was dotted and t was crossed before moving, and that's without taking into consideration things like lawless Trump-friendly judges deciding to affirmatively misstate the law in service to their benefactor.

Excellent analysis - thanks, FRP!!

[chancery]

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Of course we missed you. Welcome back!

[RTH10260]

re: information about secret government information on nuclear readiness status of another nation.

It's my firm belief that this secret information was leaked to "the other side". The clandestine alphabet soup services have confirmed that "the other side" are in its possession.

This knowlege was uncovered to the MSM to get published. Now the "other side" knows its source has been found, it knows that many things will be changed and their insight is no longer valid. Also the "other nation" with nuclear capability gets to know their own secrets are now public. They may not be a friendly nation from the NATO block.

Just a nice contribution to local conspracy theories.


ps. this does not bode well for the former holder of said document


pps. Israel revised: India or Pakistan.


ETA. after contemplating some more:

Pakistan was the subject of the nuclear readiness report.

India was the involountary recipent, the former guy used the content to brag during his visit to India, impress primeminister Modi(?)

[PaulG]

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Welcome back!

[Chilidog]

alternatively, if Trump/Jared sold secrets about Israeli nuclear capabilities to Saudi Arabia, Jared is in deep

[Mr brolin]

Lets see, which countries would that be..... the list is kinda short but

Generates a LOT of problems diplomatically
Israel
France

Generates some problems diplomatically, more likely to cause issues with revealing technical and human intel capabilities
India
Pakistan

Generates some kick back but diplomatically "Who cares", more likely to cause issues with revealing technical and human intel capabilities
Russia
North Korea
China

M'eh, we kinda have been sharing ..... Like .... this stuff for .... Like ..... Forevah!
United Kingdom

[keith]

alternatively, if Trump/Jared sold secrets about Israeli nuclear capabilities to Saudi Arabia, Jared is in deep

Alternatively, Trump has a 'thing' about Macron. Could be France.

So manypossibilities.

[Mr brolin]

alternatively, if Trump/Jared sold secrets about Israeli nuclear capabilities to Saudi Arabia, Jared is in deep

If that ACTUALLY had happened then Jared and his wife could expect a very professional and very short lived relationship with Mossad and a meticulously documented accidental temporal shortening of expected lifespan....

[RVInit]

alternatively, if Trump/Jared sold secrets about Israeli nuclear capabilities to Saudi Arabia, Jared is in deep

Alternatively, Trump has a 'thing' about Macron. Could be France.

So manypossibilities.

That would be my guess. He is obsessed with hatred of Europe, especially those EU countries. I wasn't surprised that he wanted to keep his grubby hands on intel on Macron.

[Luke]

Cleaned up the topic title a bit, put Spy Hard at the end, Mar-A-Lago more upfront. This is getting indexed "bigly" by search engines, all the keywords are showing up in searches. Fogbow strikes terror in the hearts of evildoers again.

Trump's Classified Docs Theft: Mar-A-Lago, FBI Subpoenas, Searches & Seizures - DOJ, Garland, GOP Madness - Spy Hard